posted by Spock

You do realize that the new trade deal that Mexico was forced into saves $7 billion a year for the US.

 

Boom....Mexico is paying for something

Are you serious?  I assume you’re kidding. If US consumers pay less for Mexican company outputs or Mexican consumers pay more for US company outputs, that is not the country of Mexico paying for a wall. 

Just because Trump says something doesn’t make it so. You may want to do a little basic research before parroting his BS. 

Illegal immigration is costing us tens of billions of dollars per year, if not over 100 hundred billion.  Spending $5 billion for a wall, or even $50 billion, will largely pay for itself in less than one year.  The math is simple, but the liberals are interested in only one thing – power.

100 hundred billion. That's 10 trillion.

I read that in Dr Evil’s voice. Made it better. 

The air traffic controllers are going to bring this to an end soon.

posted by QuakerOats

 

Illegal immigration is costing us tens of billions of dollars per year, if not over 100 hundred billion.  Spending $5 billion for a wall, or even $50 billion, will largely pay for itself in less than one year.  The math is simple, but the liberals are interested in only one thing – power.

A prime example of republican math

overstated for the humanitarian tragedy on the south border

understated for defense spending and tac

posted by SportsAndLady

I read that in Dr Evil’s voice. Made it better. 

And his posts tend to make more sense when you pretend he is actually Dr. Evil.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

This is why I love MD Governor Hogan. I voted for the guy two months ago and hopes he primaries Trump:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/hogan-on-shutdown-trump-pelosi-are-like-a-bunch-of-2-year-olds/2019/01/24/2e4d77ec-2006-11e9-8e21-59a09ff1e2a1_story.html?utm_term=.eac01592f2d2 

Governor Hogan is a centrist and has done a nice job in liberal Maryland.  He runs on bipartisanship and bringing both sides together which you would need to do as a stated "Republican".  Of course he ran against a complete goof ball, Ben Jealous last year so he was a shoe in for a second term.  I believe he is the only "Republican" governor to ever win  a second term in Maryland.

posted by cbus4life

The air traffic controllers are going to bring this to an end soon.

Rumor on twitter is that Trump will announce today that the government will reopen for a few weeks while they continue to discuss the budget. Trump speaking at 1:30pm

posted by iclfan2

Rumor on twitter is that Trump will announce today that the government will reopen for a few weeks while they continue to discuss the budget. Trump speaking at 1:30pm

If he declared a State of emergency today, he can get the government reopened in time of the SOTU from what I've read.  

posted by Con_Alma

Governor Hogan is a centrist and has done a nice job in liberal Maryland.  He runs on bipartisanship and bringing both sides together which you would need to do as a stated "Republican".  Of course he ran against a complete goof ball, Ben Jealous last year so he was a shoe in for a second term.  I believe he is the only "Republican" governor to ever win  a second term in Maryland.

Yeah his voter breakdown last year was fascinating. He pretty much won over every single voting bloc in the state, outside of Baltimore. He is an old school, "kitchen table" Republican. I really like the guy and hopes he takes a run at Trump. 

posted by iclfan2

Rumor on twitter is that Trump will announce today that the government will reopen for a few weeks while they continue to discuss the budget. Trump speaking at 1:30pm

Last I read, the President cannot pass a budget.

Edit Post: But, I do see a Post Report, where the President is caving at least for now. He will not veto a bill passed that does not include wall funding for 30 days. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/senate-leaders-continue-to-seek-a-deal-to-end-shutdown-that-will-satisfy-trump/2019/01/25/09c898dc-20ad-11e9-8e21-59a09ff1e2a1_story.html?utm_term=.4d622d19634e 

So, here we are again, kicking the can down the road. 

I bet we are back here again at the end of Feb.  

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Last I read, the President cannot pass a budget. Unless he is changing his stance on vetoing any budget that does not have funding on the wall, we are still in a shutdown. 

Well yea, I think he is endorsing a bill to fund it for a couple of weeks with no wall funding. 

posted by justincredible

100 hundred billion. That's 10 trillion.

$100 billion; please excuse the typo. 

Shutdown is over until February 15th

I'm listening to Trump...and he is not dropping his wall. 

So, even with this short term CR, we will be back here again in 3 weeks. Although, he said he may then declare a National Emergency after that.  

Also, this is exactly the spot we were in in December. The Senate passed a clean CR for funding, the R House would not pass it and Trump would not sign it. So, the last 36 days were a waste. 

BTW, this speech is a shitshow. Most of it makes no sense and has been proven to be either a lie, fabrication, or lacking evidence. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

So, even with this short term CR, we will be back here again in 3 weeks. Although, he said he may then declare a National Emergency after that.  

Yup. Trump is a dipshit. Democrats called his bluff. Either use the Emergency or not, but quit with the games.

oh great and wonderful Trump!!!!   Single-handedly ended the shutdown he created!

His greatness knows no bounds!

posted by gut

oh great and wonderful Trump!!!!   Single-handedly ended the shutdown he created!

His greatness knows no bounds!

Haha.  

Yes, Trump got pwned. By Nancy and Chuck too. I mean how bad would you feel if those two idiots got over on you do publicly. 

Plus, he brought it all upon himself too. 

I don’t know what the future holds for his wall, but as for today, he got dominated by two imbiciles. Dominated like the Gimp by Zed. 

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

Haha.  

 

Yes, Trump got pwned. By Nancy and Chuck too. I mean how bad would you feel if those two idiots got over on you do publicly. 

 

Plus, he brought it all upon himself too. 

 

I don’t know what the future holds for his wall, but as for today, he got dominated by two imbiciles. Dominated like the Gimp by Zed. 

So you are saying Nancy and Chuck won, and The People lost.

posted by QuakerOats

 

So you are saying Nancy and Chuck won, and The People lost.

I’m saying Chuck and Nancy made Trump squeal like a pig. As far as “The People” go, they had nothing to benefit from any of these three bozos. 

Trump could have used Burt Reynolds and his bow today. 

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

Yes, Trump got pwned. By Nancy and Chuck too. I mean how bad would you feel if those two idiots got over on you do publicly.

Trump made a horrible political miscalculation.  He lost his leverage when the Senate couldn't pass his deal.  And you wonder why, at this point, he hasn't learned.  They had 2 years to do this, and didn't.  He has repeatedly lost those 2-3 votes he needs on the more controversial stuff.

LOL, he should just add another two 0's to the request and call it a stimulus bill, then the Dems will fall all over themselves to sign it.

I actually do give Trump credit for at least attempting to get the wall built. It was, after all, a massive campaign promise that he at least tried to deliver on. I remember all those campaign promises Obama made and just ghosted while he was in office. The way Trump went about doing this (waiting for the D's to take over the house so that he can say it was their fault the wall didn't get built) was mind-numbingly stupid. But he at least tried to deliver on a campaign promise--which, I guess, is a positive change.

History goes back further than Obama. Every president has trouble fulfilling campaign promises. This one is bad particularly because of the bravado and audacity he made part of it.

posted by QuakerOats

 

So you are saying Nancy and Chuck won, and The People lost.

LoL

The people have in poll after poll not supported the wall, and Trump's approval rating are really low, I do not think the people lost. 

I'm disappointed in you. I thought you would bring a better defense of Trump. 

posted by SportsAndLady

I actually do give Trump credit for at least attempting to get the wall built.

I don't know.  I've come to expect politicians make stupid and impractical promises to get votes.  So for me it's almost more disappointing that he was actually serious about the wall.