posted by ptown_trojans_1

You know there are a number of people on the southern border who also would love to come in and work too. They are also escaping violence.

I just find your sudden acceptance of inviting people over to work odd and slightly funny as it contradicts every position you have taken on here. 

posted by Fletch

There is a huge difference in taking what is likely people that will come over here and be productive, assimilate to society then people purposely breaking our federal laws a jumping the border illegally

sounds about white

posted by Fletch

There is a huge difference in taking what is likely people that will come over here and be productive, assimilate to society then people purposely breaking our federal laws a jumping the border illegally

The hundreds of Mexicans working 6 days a week for 12 hours a day building homes in the four developments around my house would beg to differ. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

You know there are a number of people on the southern border who also would love to come in and work too. They are also escaping violence.

I just find your sudden acceptance of inviting people over to work odd and slightly funny as it contradicts every position you have taken on here. 

We've always brought in people, legally.  

posted by QuakerOats

We've always brought in people, legally.  

Ok, fine, why can't we bring those people in legally then? 

posted by Fletch

There is a huge difference in taking what is likely people that will come over here and be productive, assimilate to society then people purposely breaking our federal laws a jumping the border illegally

Everybody tired of losing yet? 

posted by QuakerOats

Everybody tired of losing yet? 

Nope, just tired of reading the same line of shit from you for 15 years straight now.

To be fair, when you come here, specifically illegally, you are almost twice as likely to be on welfare than if you are a citizen.

About 35% of citizens use some form of welfare program while 63% of non-citizens do.  I don't believe those here on H1 work visas are taking that percentage up so it has to be those coming here by other means.

The "old" way of immigration for not only the US but Canada also (friend of mine who immigrated from Russia after the fall of the USSR to Canada spelled this out for me) was that you had to prove you could provide for yourself and you would be ineligible for ANY social welfare programs for 12 months after you arrived in Canada. 

If that was still the case, accept all/most workers that want to come here and provide for themselves yet deter those coming here for the safety net.

So no welfare, no food stamps, no Section 8 housing, etc for 12 months after you arrive and you have to prove before you arrive that you have the ability to provide for yourself.

My friend immigrated in the 80s when communism fell and that's how it was then, even for "liberal" Canada, why can't we have something similar. Literally accept most everyone that can prove they have a skill and can provide for themselves with the understanding they can not rely on welfare for a year.

posted by QuakerOats

Everybody tired of losing yet? 

If you don’t tie your entire self-worth and worldview into who happens to be occupying the Oval Office that very second, you wouldn’t see it that way.  I know you see every occurrence in the world is directly caused or affected by the POTUS (unless “bad” happens when Trump there and “good” happens when a democrat is there).  

posted by jmog

To be fair, when you come here, specifically illegally, you are almost twice as likely to be on welfare than if you are a citizen.

About 35% of citizens use some form of welfare program while 63% of non-citizens do.  I don't believe those here on H1 work visas are taking that percentage up so it has to be those coming here by other means.

The "old" way of immigration for not only the US but Canada also (friend of mine who immigrated from Russia after the fall of the USSR to Canada spelled this out for me) was that you had to prove you could provide for yourself and you would be ineligible for ANY social welfare programs for 12 months after you arrived in Canada. 

If that was still the case, accept all/most workers that want to come here and provide for themselves yet deter those coming here for the safety net.

So no welfare, no food stamps, no Section 8 housing, etc for 12 months after you arrive and you have to prove before you arrive that you have the ability to provide for yourself.

My friend immigrated in the 80s when communism fell and that's how it was then, even for "liberal" Canada, why can't we have something similar. Literally accept most everyone that can prove they have a skill and can provide for themselves with the understanding they can not rely on welfare for a year.

Oh you mean a pathway to citizenship? Why can't we? Simple. Republicans in the Senate. 

Any sniff of any changing to immigration status to people here is called amnesty. Ted Cruz and others will cry and block anything. 

They have been doing it since the Bush years when his immigration reform died in the Senate. 

I'm actually with you on the requirements and you know who else is..Biden. 

Increase domestic oil production. By any means possible. I can handle $5+ gas, a lot of people can’t or will hurt them significantly. The Russia stoppage obv will hurt even more. But don’t let Biden try and say he did nothing to gas prices when his first few days as president he signed all sorts of climate change trash. 

Also lol at the immigration talk. I’m good with not letting them all in thanks. The Ukrainian people don’t want your shit jobs, and don’t wanna be American either. 

posted by iclfan2

Increase domestic oil production. By any means possible. I can handle $5+ gas, a lot of people can’t or will hurt them significantly. The Russia stoppage obv will hurt even more. But don’t let Biden try and say he did nothing to gas prices when his first few days as president he signed all sorts of climate change trash. 

Also lol at the immigration talk. I’m good with not letting them all in thanks. The Ukrainian people don’t want your shit jobs, and don’t wanna be American either. 

Short of nationalizing the oil and gas sector, I'm not sure how you can isolate oil and gas here that is not influenced by the global supply price and international trading. 

I know some on here work in the overall sector, and wonder their thoughts. 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

Oh you mean a pathway to citizenship? Why can't we? Simple. Republicans in the Senate. 

Any sniff of any changing to immigration status to people here is called amnesty. Ted Cruz and others will cry and block anything. 

They have been doing it since the Bush years when his immigration reform died in the Senate. 

I'm actually with you on the requirements and you know who else is..Biden. 

Nothing you just said is true. Good lord did you even read it?

posted by jmog

Nothing you just said is true. Good lord did you even read it?

I did. Any changes to the current immigration laws are not going to get any support from the Republicans in the Senate. 

So, the changes you suggested are not going to happen any time soon.

You really don't remember all the immigration debates the last 15 years? 

posted by ptown_trojans_1

I did. Any changes to the current immigration laws are not going to get any support from the Republicans in the Senate. 

So, the changes you suggested are not going to happen any time soon.

You really don't remember all the immigration debates the last 15 years? 

You immediately blame Rs for immigration issues, which is hilarious for a “middle of the road” guy.

Let me ask you this, you really believe the Ds would be all for the “no welfare programs at all for 12 months” part? Come on, your leftist buddies would cry racism immediately.

Also, if you believe conservatives would be against legal immigration based around employable and proof of financial means you truly are laughable right now.

posted by Dr Winston O'Boogie

If you don’t tie your entire self-worth and worldview into who happens to be occupying the Oval Office that very second, you wouldn’t see it that way.  I know you see every occurrence in the world is directly caused or affected by the POTUS (unless “bad” happens when Trump there and “good” happens when a democrat is there).  

You are immeasurably more wrapped up in what I post than what you think I am wrapped up in with respect to who is in the WH. 

Stay calm and work hard today.  

posted by QuakerOats

You are immeasurably more wrapped up in what I post than what you think I am wrapped up in with respect to who is in the WH. 

Stay calm and work hard today.  

I don't respond to most of your posts.  But it's a forum with only a few people on it, so why not.  I respond to other posters too.  

Superman apparently hates me too.  So there's that.

Hilarious that Biden is now trying to position this as "gas prices are skyrocketing due to Putin" to try to help the Dems out in the November midterms and pose this as "inflation vs tyranny." The gas price issue has been going on long before Putin invaded Ukraine.

posted by ptown_trojans_1

I did. Any changes to the current immigration laws are not going to get any support from the Republicans in the Senate. 

So, the changes you suggested are not going to happen any time soon.

You really don't remember all the immigration debates the last 15 years? 

It has been said a million times.  Close the border and then lets deal with it.  We do have a pathway to citizenship.  There are laws on the books that allow for immigration legally.  Nobody is following the current laws, why add more if the Dems arent willing to stop illegal immigration

posted by BR1986FB

Hilarious that Biden is now trying to position this as "gas prices are skyrocketing due to Putin" to try to help the Dems out in the November midterms and pose this as "inflation vs tyranny." The gas price issue has been going on long before Putin invaded Ukraine.

Several of the analysts I've read have all said Biden's policies will impact oil in the coming years.

Been sad watching the normally reliable Fox News folks that are actual journalists/reporters spin Biden's spin.  They make fair points that not all the leases and permits are viable, but gloss over the very real fact that there was plenty of capacity planned and in development that was going to take a few years to dry up.

Also, if Biden had come in on Day 1 and auctioned off everything he could, we'd still be months (years when talking offshore) away from any of those leases producing oil.

You'd almost have better luck making the opposite case, because companies accelerated plans and production in anticipation of a tougher operating environment under Biden.  Sort of a "get it while the getting's good".

posted by jmog

You immediately blame Rs for immigration issues, which is hilarious for a “middle of the road” guy.

Let me ask you this, you really believe the Ds would be all for the “no welfare programs at all for 12 months” part? Come on, your leftist buddies would cry racism immediately.

Also, if you believe conservatives would be against legal immigration based around employable and proof of financial means you truly are laughable right now.

I'm going by the last 15 years, going back to the failed Bush Comprehensive Immigration Reform.

Any discussion to reform would get blocked by Senate Republicans. Any moderate proposal by a republican, like Rubio or Portman, would get shot down by other Republicans in the Senate. Portman has said so much over the last year and expressed it was one of the reasons he is leaving. 

I don't know how far Ds would go on immigration reform. But, I do know Cruz, Cotton, and others are going to block nearly everything that Ds support for immigration. 

Last year, the Senate did increase the cap of merit based applications, which is great. So, there is a template, but dumb laws like the RAISE act is the current Republican platform.

I think some aspects of what you are calling for, along with beefing up immigration judges, application officials, and streamlining the process could get bipartisan support. But, I doubt we see it, because Republicans in the Senate prefer the status quo.

Republicans do not support the status quo of hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants busting into the country.  

Be well.  

posted by QuakerOats

Republicans do not support the status quo of hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants busting into the country.  

Be well.  

Again, 15 years of failed reforms suggest otherwise. 

Republicans love to run on it, yet suck at actually making reforms possible. 

posted by QuakerOats

Republicans do not support the status quo of hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants busting into the country.  

Be well.  

Immigrants, who entered this country the right way, do not support it either. Pisses a lot of them off.