posted by jmogSo you admit that it isn’t covid yet governments’ (plural) overreaction at this point to covid?
You think having 6 million less people working in 2021 vs 2019 had anything to do with covid? . Nah couldnt be.
41 million boomers were still working in 2019. No way covid convinced a bunch of old people to retire and not come back. Not possible.
posted by kizer permanente80% ? I've seen 70% put out by the White house but I haven't seen 80.
Also from the White House. 70% fully, 80% with 1. The mandate is too late and pointless, will only cause worse issues. Your argument that a bunch of people won’t quit because of it doesn’t count the people who already quit or retired Bc they didn’t want the vaccine. And another issue with the labor force was your boy paying people more money to sit on their ass instead of going to work. Not to mention childcare tax refund advances and not having to pay rent or student loan payments. Incentivizing people to not work doesn’t work out.
posted by kizer permanenteThe US isn't keeping any businesses closed. Other countries are and countries that are major players in the global supply chain. This is my point... This is beyond Biden. This is global. He can't do anything to mandate the world opens up. These shortages will persist no matter what he does b/c its more than the US.
I said governments (plural) not government's (singular possessive). I meant all of the governments that have over reached.
He can stop the mandates in the US, which will make the transportation and manufacturing here in the US ease the problem but not fix it. Once the US economy is running it could force the others to "catch up".
posted by kizer permanenteYou think having 6 million less people working in 2021 vs 2019 had anything to do with covid? . Nah couldnt be.
Are you talking 6 million globally, in the US, where? And where did that 6 million number come from? How many of that 6 million have been forced out due to shut downs and mandates created by the governments involved?
posted by kizer permanenteAgreed but it has nothing to do with unemployment or whatever else you want to blame it on. It's also a WORLDWIDE labor crisis. People have died, older people have retired earlier. People are still getting sick. It's happening in EVERY country in the ENTIRE world. The POTUS isn't going to fix it. It's not possible.
Let's pretend your post is correct, why is he making it worse, deliberately?
posted by jmogAre you talking 6 million globally, in the US, where? And where did that 6 million number come from? How many of that 6 million have been forced out due to shut downs and mandates created by the governments involved?
In the US. And what shutdowns and mandates are keeping people out of work?
posted by jmogSo Biden can’t stop said mandate? I think he can since he created it, no?
That was a joke aimed at Kaiser.
Again, this inflation is not just a transitory supply shock. There IS a labor shortage, or at least a misallocation of labor (something recessions usually take care of, but we just printed over the last one).
The inflation also has a significant demand driver. And then you have a plethora of new and pending govt policies that are also inflationary.
So, yeah, there is a lot the govt has done to make inflation WORSE, and there is a lot they could do (or stop doing) to make it a lot better.
They don't want to start raising rates with an election coming up. We've seen that before. And so they are just gaslighting us on all the things this inflation isn't, and all the things they could be doing but aren't.
posted by kizer permanenteWait a minute, I thought there was a labor shortage? Can't they can all just quit and start a higher paying job tomorrow?There’s absolutely 0% chance 10-20% of our population could afford to just give up their job. Less than that have even enough savings to cover their expenses for 3 months.
posted by gut
Wait a minute, I thought there was a labor shortage? Can't they can all just quit and start a higher paying job tomorrow?
in a different country? he was talking about federal mandates.
The media was very quick to bury Biden’s “gaffe.” As each day goes by it becomes clearer that Biden is just as or more racist than Trump is. It’s almost as if racism (and sexual assault) only matters if you have a “R” next to your name. If this were trump or anyone else on the right, it would be a minimum of a one week news cycle. Looking forward to the apologists downplaying this.
President Biden refers to baseball legend Satchel Paige as “the great negro at the time."
— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) November 11, 2021
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Joe Biden is and has been extremely racist his whole life
posted by FletchJoe Biden is and has been extremely racist his whole life
Pretty sure that during his campaign he had a few racial type comments leading up to the election.
Poor kids are just as bright as white kids.
well i didn't vote for joe biden. so i ain't black.
Biden is how I found out Obama was the first mainstream African Amercan who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice looking guy.
posted by like_thatThe media was very quick to bury Biden’s “gaffe.” As each day goes by it becomes clearer that Biden is just as or more racist than Trump is. It’s almost as if racism (and sexual assault) only matters if you have a “R” next to your name. If this were trump or anyone else on the right, it would be a minimum of a one week news cycle. Looking forward to the apologists downplaying this.
President Biden refers to baseball legend Satchel Paige as “the great negro at the time."
— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) November 11, 2021
pic.twitter.com/9SolHPcrng
At least he said he was a "great" negro ..................right?
Race is just something Democrats use to shame minorities into voting for them. It's much easier than actually earning someone's vote. What's lost on most voters is because they rely on votes they don't have to work for, this gives them incentive NOT to actually address racial inequities.
posted by kizer permanentein a different country? he was talking about federal mandates.
The mandates only apply to companies over 100 employees, and isn't actually in effect yet.
You said people aren't quitting their jobs because they can't afford to. There are literally millions of job openings at companies that won't be requiring a vaccination as a condition of employment.
Plus, there's at least a few million people sitting at home on their asses not working. Somehow they are able to afford that....
Circuit court re-affirmed their opinion Friday night, so it is a permanent stay on the vaccine mandate bullshit pending further court action. It will no doubt end up at the supreme court.
posted by gutThe mandates only apply to companies over 100 employees, and isn't actually in effect yet.
You said people aren't quitting their jobs because they can't afford to. There are literally millions of job openings at companies that won't be requiring a vaccination as a condition of employment.
Plus, there's at least a few million people sitting at home on their asses not working. Somehow they are able to afford that....
That's true. Though, in my limited amount of job searching, I personally haven't seen people leave larger companies for smaller companies and take a pay increase. Well... not without taking a net hit after benefits are counted.
posted by kizer permanenteThat's true. Though, in my limited amount of job searching, I personally haven't seen people leave larger companies for smaller companies and take a pay increase. Well... not without taking a net hit after benefits are counted.
I see this ALL the time. Many of my clients leave larger companies for smaller companies to get away from all of the corporate red tape, internal policy BS, etc and many times get paid significantly more. There are many larger companies requiring vaccination "or else" and the people are leaving because they don't want it.
posted by BR1986FBI see this ALL the time. Many of my clients leave larger companies for smaller companies to get away from all of the corporate red tape, internal policy BS, etc and many times get paid significantly more. There are many larger companies requiring vaccination "or else" and the people are leaving because they don't want it.
You'd definitely see it more than me.
I've had a few places a recruiter would call me about and the salary was more, but when you calculated out the worse retirement contribution and the monthly upcharge you'd pay for benefits, it's never worked for me.
posted by kizer permanenteThat's true. Though, in my limited amount of job searching, I personally haven't seen people leave larger companies for smaller companies and take a pay increase. Well... not without taking a net hit after benefits are counted.
I can't speak for other people, but I know it happens a lot in the engineering market, as many smaller firms are more consulting firms and they charge out their engineering time at rather high rates to their customers kind of like lawyers.
I went from a company once that was easily 5000 employees to one that was 40 employees and got a 20% pay increase and the 401k/health care was basically the same.
That new employer knew they could bill my time out out at about $250/hour on most projects and at least $150/hr on others and I didn't make anywhere near that so it was a win/win.
Many small engineering firms are consulting/service firms like this and they can and do pay better than large companies if you negotiate.
The company I am at now, is a large company with about 11,000 employees in the US and easily 30,000 worldwide.
They were somewhat surprised by how much I was asking for to switch (I was coming from the consulting firm) and had to basically change the position they were looking for to a "senior" position to be allowed internally to hire me at the salary I was requesting. In other words they had to give me a promotion before I was even hired. Basically they were looking for a "Combustion Application Engineer" and changed the title to "Senior Combustion Application Engineer" to hire me. All because I was doing quite well at the consulting firm.
I can not speak for other industries as I honestly do not know if going to a smaller company pays better typically or not, but I do know in engineering it can if that smaller firm is in consulting/service work.