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gut

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Tue, Oct 12, 2021 1:40 PM

The other thing that struck me initially was a big chunk of the workforce get weekly paychecks of less than $600 (after-tax).  So all the waitresses, bartenders and other people who massively under-report tip income can probably still stay under the radar.

Also, FYI, the AML laws can still get you even if you keep transfers under $10k.  I'd guess the $600 limit might work similarly, and you might not actually get around it declaring $500 per week in income while getting regularly weekly deposits under the threshold but TOTALING $1000.

BR1986FB

Senior Member

Tue, Oct 12, 2021 2:50 PM

So exactly how will this work? Piggybacking on the "biggest gambling wins" thread, if someone hits a 5k jackpot, deposits the cash in their checking account (while they get their hand pay/tax slip at the casino) are these motherf#ckers going to try to double tax people?

QuakerOats

Senior Member

Tue, Oct 12, 2021 3:02 PM

 Treasury proposed requiring financial institutions to annually report the total amount of money that went in and out of bank, loan and investment accounts if those accounts hold a value of at least $600, or if the total is at least $600 in a year. 


That means that if the total debits (funds flowing out of the account) and credits (funds flowing into the account) equal at least $600 — including deposited paychecks or money transferred from finance apps like Cash App or PayPal — banks would have to report those figures to the IRS.

QuakerOats

Senior Member

Tue, Oct 12, 2021 3:02 PM

PS - they can all go fuck themselves.

gut

Senior Member

Tue, Oct 12, 2021 3:20 PM
posted by BR1986FB

So exactly how will this work? Piggybacking on the "biggest gambling wins" thread, if someone hits a 5k jackpot, deposits the cash in their checking account (while they get their hand pay/tax slip at the casino) are these motherf#ckers going to try to double tax people?

LOL....I have bad news for you - unless you are a professional gambler, you cannot net losses against wins.  So your $5k jackpot is, and has been, taxable (even if you plunked in $10k to win it).  Also, bricks & mortar casinos make you fill out a form and report all your jackpots over $1k (or is it $2.5k?) directly to the IRS.

So that REALLY makes slots a pretty lousy gambling choice.  The other games I think you can keep your winnings under the radar so long as you don't cash out over $10k at a time.

I think the main goal here is to go after crypto gains, except I'm not sure this rule encompasses coin exchanges (although there's legislation on that, too, floating around so probably related). They definitely intend to make it harder and harder to realize large crypto gains and keep it off the radar.

BR1986FB

Senior Member

Tue, Oct 12, 2021 3:34 PM
posted by gut

LOL....I have bad news for you - unless you are a professional gambler, you cannot net losses against wins.  So your $5k jackpot is, and has been, taxable (even if you plunked in $10k to win it).  Also, bricks & mortar casinos make you fill out a form and report all your jackpots over $1k (or is it $2.5k?) directly to the IRS.

So that REALLY makes slots a pretty lousy gambling choice.  The other games I think you can keep your winnings under the radar so long as you don't cash out over $10k at a time.

I think the main goal here is to go after crypto gains, except I'm not sure this rule encompasses coin exchanges (although there's legislation on that, too, floating around so probably related). They definitely intend to make it harder and harder to realize large crypto gains and keep it off the radar.

Actually, you write off your losses up to your gains. Been doing this for years. If you win 100k in jackpots (on slots) yet show that you've played/lost 200k on your win/loss statement, you're not taxed on the 100k. You don't get any benefit from the extra 100k lost, but you don't pay taxes on the 100k you won. 

What I'm asking is that are you going to get hit immediately with a tax if you deposit (random amount) 5k in cash in your checking when you may/may not have to pay taxes on it year end, depending on your win/loss statement and then possibly get taxed a second time if you show a net win on the win/loss?

justincredible

Honorable Admin

Tue, Oct 12, 2021 3:56 PM

The feds aren't stopping until they control everything you can buy. The incoming CBDC (central bank digital currency) is going to be a dystopian nightmare.

Oh, you haven't spent your weekly credits? Now they're gone. Looks like you've already purchased your pound of meat for the week. Purchase denied.


gut

Senior Member

Tue, Oct 12, 2021 4:19 PM
posted by BR1986FB

Actually, you write off your losses up to your gains. Been doing this for years. If you win 100k in jackpots (on slots) yet show that you've played/lost 200k on your win/loss statement, you're not taxed on the 100k. You don't get any benefit from the extra 100k lost, but you don't pay taxes on the 100k you won. 

What I'm asking is that are you going to get hit immediately with a tax if you deposit (random amount) 5k in cash in your checking when you may/may not have to pay taxes on it year end, depending on your win/loss statement and then possibly get taxed a second time if you show a net win on the win/loss?

Yeah, I was mistaken - many states don't allow offsets, but the feds do. But the nature of jackpots means most people have nowhere near enough offset because the casual gamer can't carry losses forward.  Slots and online have great records, but I'd guess if you were a big table games or track guy, the IRS would make it really hard on you.

As for your other question, I assume it will work similarly to the current automated reviews of returns.  They'll match-up your bank deposits with your claimed income, and certain amounts or patterns of mismatches will trigger an audit.  Depending on a bunch other stuff, you could owe a quarterly estimated payment if, say, you hit a $10k jackpot in May (no different than with investment gains).

But unless they add an army of agents, I imagine ordinary folks will never meet the threshold.  So you're chance of an audit will probably remain around 1% or whatever the random audit percent is currently.

BR1986FB

Senior Member

Wed, Oct 13, 2021 8:40 AM

Not a Jon Gruden fan but what he said about Biden in those e-mails was spot on.

ernest_t_bass

12th Son of the Lama

Wed, Oct 13, 2021 10:11 AM

I wonder what is he is up to.

justincredible

Honorable Admin

Wed, Oct 13, 2021 10:32 AM

lol, I just noticed that. Double whammy.

ernest_t_bass

12th Son of the Lama

Wed, Oct 13, 2021 12:57 PM

How does a professional journalist type that, and how does that get through (what you would hope is) multiple rounds of editors?  

justincredible

Honorable Admin

Wed, Oct 13, 2021 1:22 PM

"Journalist."

justincredible

Honorable Admin

Wed, Oct 13, 2021 1:31 PM

BR1986FB

Senior Member

Wed, Oct 13, 2021 1:42 PM
posted by justincredible

She could fertilize our garden with her breath.

iclfan2

Reppin' the 330/216/843

Wed, Oct 13, 2021 2:20 PM

Holding Billionaires accountable… by looking at accounts with $600 transactions. This isn’t even close to the worst thing in the bill, hopefully it just dies. 

justincredible

Honorable Admin

Wed, Oct 13, 2021 3:03 PM

Biden did warn of a "dark winter" didn't he? No worries, it's probably just transitory.

QuakerOats

Senior Member

Wed, Oct 13, 2021 3:03 PM
posted by iclfan2

Holding Billionaires accountable… by looking at accounts with $600 transactions. This isn’t even close to the worst thing in the bill, hopefully it just dies. 


The libs always ask for the solar system, and are happy to get the moon, and we fall for it E V E R Y time.  The incremental takeover of your life continues unabated. 

majorspark

Senior Member

Wed, Oct 13, 2021 3:36 PM
posted by justincredible

Biden did warn of a "dark winter" didn't he? No worries, it's probably just transitory.

Just turn down the thermostat and put on a sweater.

justincredible

Honorable Admin

Wed, Oct 13, 2021 3:40 PM
posted by majorspark

Just turn down the thermostat and put on a sweater.

justincredible

Honorable Admin

Wed, Oct 13, 2021 4:17 PM

gut

Senior Member

Wed, Oct 13, 2021 4:38 PM

The courts have struggled with privacy rights in the digital age, but banking transactions clearly are not done in public.  The best comparison we could make is someone could see you go into a bank, but no idea what transactions you made or for how much.

So I'm not sure this will withstand constitutional scrutiny.

On the other hand, you look at what the NSA has been allowed to do with surveillance.  So if govt has these banking records, even if they don't monitor them, if you get pinged for a random audit would the govt then be able to review those transactions?

gut

Senior Member

Wed, Oct 13, 2021 4:44 PM

If some of the stuff I read about in that $3.5T reconciliation bill are real, it's outrageous.  Hundreds of billions for climate change bullshit that probably doesn't include one penny for nuclear.  I'm sure none of that money ends up in the hands of the Hunter Biden's of the world...

Also something about requiring 40% of your power from renewable by 2028 or something.  Guaranteed to result in huge cost increases, and disastrous rolling blackouts that will kill thousands.

Jan 2023 can't get here fast enough.  But the Dems have another whole 2-3 rounds of reconciliation bills before then.