posted by gut

So so so wish they would randomly list the candidates, and without the "D" or "R" designation.  The idiots would all cancel each other out.  I'd guess at least 70% of the country would have no idea who to vote for, especially down ballot.  Double bonus: you have to correctly match the POTUS and VP in order for your choice to count!

This would be great.  At least you would have to do some work to identify the candidates party affiliation.  Also imagine the mind fuck some poor schlub would have realizing they mistakenly cast a vote for the opposite party.

I have been voting on election day for 32 yrs.  As long as long as I am physically able it will remain that way.

posted by majorspark

Also imagine the mind fuck some poor schlub would have realizing they mistakenly cast a vote for the opposite party.

That is an SNL skit opportunity.

posted by BR1986FB

In Arizona, the R representative for the governor's seat said that there were still 80k? mail in votes that were dropped off the day of election. She's trailing but believes the lion's share of these votes will be red because they don't trust the voting system.

Seems like wishful thinking on her part.  I would think the opposite - people who don't trust "the system" have and continue to vote overwhelmingly at the polls on election day.  Democrats vote disproportionately by mail, while Republican tend to vote in person more (which really makes no sense - I don't think demographics are nearly so skewed).

But by pretending those remaining mail-in votes should favor her, she's teed it up to claim it was rigged if they don't.

posted by BR1986FB

In Arizona, the R representative for the governor's seat said that there were still 80k? mail in votes that were dropped off the day of election. She's trailing but believes the lion's share of these votes will be red because they don't trust the voting system.

She cited examples of people being called "conspiracy theorists" and cancelled out when they complained about wrongdoing they saw at the polls in the last election. When she ( R governor rep) tried to get the voting system changed for this election it sounds like she was ostracized and ridiculed. Can't imagine wanting things to be fair (eye roll).

Can't speak to Arizona, but have worked the polls enough in other states to know that any cheating, if it exists, happens downstream.

posted by BR1986FB

In Arizona, the R representative for the governor's seat said that there were still 80k? mail in votes that were dropped off the day of election. She's trailing but believes the lion's share of these votes will be red because they don't trust the voting system.

She cited examples of people being called "conspiracy theorists" and cancelled out when they complained about wrongdoing they saw at the polls in the last election. When she ( R governor rep) tried to get the voting system changed for this election it sounds like she was ostracized and ridiculed. Can't imagine wanting things to be fair (eye roll).

You should not have to wait this long to find out results of an election. It’s ridiculous.

Trump is going off the rails on whatever bullshit platform he’s on now. Taking shots and Desantis, Younkin, and Fox News. 

Skepticism over the abject failure to timely deliver honest vote counts is now deemed "batshit crazy conspiracy theories". 

Corporate media has well schooled many. 

posted by iclfan2

You should not have to wait this long to find out results of an election. It’s ridiculous.

Trump is going off the rails on whatever bullshit platform he’s on now. Taking shots and Desantis, Younkin, and Fox News. 

He took a shot at his own wife & Hannity for recommending backing Oz. That's why I'm hoping Desantis gets the nomination because if Trump were to get elected, all of his 4 years would be nothing more than a "revenge tour" to smite those who opposed him.

I don't think there's any chance Trump gets re-elected.  I think he's a big reason the "red wave" was barely a ripple.  If he's on the 2024 ticket, that virtually guarantees Dems control all of government.

But it's still a little weird seeing Kamala and Joe spiking the football claiming victory because they didn't lose as badly as most expected.  You lost - pretending not only did you win, but that it validates your policies just looks grossly incompetent.

posted by iclfan2

You should not have to wait this long to find out results of an election. It’s ridiculous. 

We shouldn't. Our republic is designed to handle the occasional hiccup but when this becomes the norm it's not just ridiculous it's quite dangerous.  This is going to need to be addressed.  

posted by majorspark

We shouldn't. Our republic is designed to handle the occasional hiccup but when this becomes the norm it's not just ridiculous it's quite dangerous.  This is going to need to be addressed.  

Agreed. As I previously mentioned, I don't think that the 2020 election was "stolen" because of padding/omitting votes at the polls (the FBI/social media swayed the election by squashing the Biden laptop) but stuff like this looks extremely suspicious. Need to take any doubt out of this. When other states have their results by 10pm and we're waiting a week for others, something's backwards/out of whack.

posted by Heretic
Huh, you say that a batshit crazy conspiracy theorist preemptively came up with a conspiracy theory, so if she loses, she can throw it all into doubt. I am shocked!

I doubt she’s batshit crazy.  Election fraud is her only truck in the bag.  It’s how she got into Trump’s radar.  She’ll ride that wave all the way into shore.

posted by gut

I don't think there's any chance Trump gets re-elected.  I think he's a big reason the "red wave" was barely a ripple.  If he's on the 2024 ticket, that virtually guarantees Dems control all of government.

But it's still a little weird seeing Kamala and Joe spiking the football claiming victory because they didn't lose as badly as most expected.  You lost - pretending not only did you win, but that it validates your policies just looks grossly incompetent.

Joe likely doesn’t comprehend any of the election stuff going on.

posted by gut

I don't think there's any chance Trump gets re-elected.  I think he's a big reason the "red wave" was barely a ripple.  If he's on the 2024 ticket, that virtually guarantees Dems control all of government.

The best way for the leaders of the republican party to get rid of Trump is to figure out why a large number of their base loathe them.

posted by gut

I don't think there's any chance Trump gets re-elected.  I think he's a big reason the "red wave" was barely a ripple.  If he's on the 2024 ticket, that virtually guarantees Dems control all of government.

But it's still a little weird seeing Kamala and Joe spiking the football claiming victory because they didn't lose as badly as most expected.  You lost - pretending not only did you win, but that it validates your policies just looks grossly incompetent.

That's just the great world of politics today. The opposition party usually gets nice gains during mid-terms, so set the bar low (We're gonna get crushed!!!!). Then clear that bar and only lose a bit instead of a lot. Spin it to say that since you didn't lose as much as you were expected to, you really won. Brag about how the other party is lost and out-of-touch and clueless because they didn't utterly destroy you.

Because it's a rule that you have to spin EVERYTHING in a "keep going; we're doing great!" way where everything that goes wrong is due to corruption, disinformation, gaslighting, the whole damn system conspiring against you, etc. because you have to keep your voters constantly fired up because every single election is the single greatest and most important day in the entire history of our nation and the entire future of the world depends on how you vote!

posted by Heretic

That's just the great world of politics today. The opposition party usually gets nice gains during mid-terms, so set the bar low (We're gonna get crushed!!!!). Then clear that bar and only lose a bit instead of a lot. Spin it to say that since you didn't lose as much as you were expected to, you really won. Brag about how the other party is lost and out-of-touch and clueless because they didn't utterly destroy you.

Because it's a rule that you have to spin EVERYTHING in a "keep going; we're doing great!" way where everything that goes wrong is due to corruption, disinformation, gaslighting, the whole damn system conspiring against you, etc. because you have to keep your voters constantly fired up because every single election is the single greatest and most important day in the entire history of our nation and the entire future of the world depends on how you vote!

Republics nominate Trump and they are fucked. The last 3 elections have shown America ain’t for that dude, or anyone who aligns with him.

Democrats about to take full control of Congress.

posted by Laley23

Republics nominate Trump and they are fucked.

I'm kind of surprised he's actually going to run.  I realize he's delusional, but no one thinks he can win the election.  Some are starting to wonder if he will even win the nomination.

Losing is very embarrassing for Trump.  He could always claim the election was stolen again, but that's not as "effective" the second time around.

Weird thing for Repubs these days that you can't win with Trump, and you can't win without him.  Generating enthusiasm among both MAGA and moderates is an almost impossible needle to thread.

posted by majorspark

When elections consistently are decided long after election day.  Beware. 

It shouldn't, but Republicans are the ones who don't want counting to begin until election day since Trump did a great job convincing them the elections are rigged. Then the same Republicans complain it takes too long to count mail ins.

https://apnews.com/article/elections-local-elections-9ee577c7a06132f87ddb0217bfcd4b73

Starting to think these states, with messed up voting, have no interest in changing how they operate. Leaves them a bit more "wiggle room." (wink)

There is no conspiracy or rigged elections. No one is cheating or has cheated in the recent past. 

posted by Laley23

There is no conspiracy or rigged elections. No one is cheating or has cheated in the recent past. 

But the way these states handle it leaves doubt and there should be no doubt. 

There is no doubt unless you are looking for something to blame or look at. There is nothing to point to that suggests any hint of doubt.

LOL...when Florida has 7 million+ votes counted within 5 hours yet it takes AZ & NV a week, there's a problem, and it leaves room for doubt. They'd change their systems if they really wanted to.

posted by Laley23

There is no conspiracy or rigged elections. No one is cheating or has cheated in the recent past. 

Good to know