Wayne County Athletic League Football 2014
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Paul
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O-Trap
Couldn't have said it better. He didn't call anyone out by name, but he obviously saw the problem and was able to identify it.Go Falcons;1661955 wrote:If a coach when asked why you lost does not have a good answer like "Our secondary let to many get by them" I would wonder how is he going to know what to address to make the corrections.
Paul, your font is weird. Did you write this in a MS Word document and then paste it in?Paul;1662011 wrote:I know Waynedale is in the WCAL does anyone know who the other teams are? My wisdom tells me next year 2015 is the year of the Bobcat Stalk, with the stalk goes lots of Cow Butts, Nuff said.
Can you explain the etymology of the phrase "cow butt?" A cow's butt? -
Paul
Thanks O-Trap.
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Go Falcons
O-trap this is how it is done in Crestucky. [video=youtube;6D60d4BNbQE][/video] -
Paul
Yes O-Trap I can explain it.O-Trap;1662028 wrote:Couldn't have said it better. He didn't call anyone out by name, but he obviously saw the problem and was able to identify it.
Paul, your font is weird. Did you write this in a MS Word document and then paste it in?
Can you explain the etymology of the phrase "cow butt?" A cow's butt? -
1_beast
I agree with you some on this and we could come up with all kinds of "ifs" but I still can't get passed 385-73. Do you really think position adjustments would have remedied that? The answer is.....No way!
I don't know
We had 2 1000 yd backs in 85? I remember 1 (Gentry) but who was the other? AND we didn't have a freshman QB that year. We had a senior at QB (Ricksecker). You may be thinking of Lemon but he was a soph in 85 and played DB on that team. He WAS the qb his freshman year because we had 2 qb's get season ending injuries. If you are about the "facts", I am just here to help you.
Correct. I was thinking Lemons freshman year when Morris? broke leg against WH and Ricksecker was in car wreck putting Lemon at QB.
Are you saying that any coach that goes 1-9 should be gone? Seder went 1-9 one year but then 2 years later went 10-2. I guess we should have fired him.....AND why did he go 10-2? Let me guess...because of Hendrix, right?:RpS_razz:
No...there are going to be down years, but Varvari didnt deserve to coach. Hendrix did play a huge role rushing for 2000yards, fact is, I think if he doesnt have the flu, we beat VASJ.
Here again I get a little confused with what you are trying to say....so it isn't about the Jimmys and Joes or is it??? You list players names which I assume means THEY were the reason we were successful, right? AND when you say "Sedars boys" you must be also insinuating that Z was just inheriting those boys BUT you forget that he was an assistant for those boys (might have even been their position coach..not sure) and was responsible for ALL the weight room workouts which played a BIG part in Nofsinger and Stryker getting to the "next level".
Sometimes it IS the Jimmie's and Joe's. Do you think Triway would be where they are without Carmichael? (He a Parker though, not a Jimmie or Joe) I'm sure Matt prob did work with both boys as an assistant and did a fine job. I'm sure he did work with weight training and did a fine job. As far as "inheriting those boys", its typical for that to be the case; Fickel was playing with Tressels boys etc (my comparisson)
Whew...my head is spinning here junior. Out of position, stupid platoon system, lucked into playoff...I would take LUCKY right now in the worst way. Then we abandoned the platoon in the playoffs and saw great plays by kids during a 28-7 LOSS........
With the platoon, the best athletes werre not on the field at crucial times. I do think the platoon was a GREAT idea...it just doesnt seem to work with the talent pool of a D5 school. 6-4 playing (i think the #1 10-0 Heights team, I could look but dont want to), I think we played that team tight. I think the game was closer than the score indicated. I may be wrong!
WRONG...he likes the platoon because 2-way players get worn down and 3/4 into a game we are gassed.
Idk what he likes, we do seem wore out late. However 2 way players has been the norm for the majority of small school ball for the majority of football history.
Your facts are close but not all correct. When it comes to "just the facts", I am sorry but you won't win that battle with me. Plus, you still need to make up your mind because you certainly seem to think that any success that Z has had is when he had Jimmy's and Joe's....now that's A FACT JACK!:RpS_flapper:
Your facts are on, to the extent of names and years. Your OPINIONS are more than likely an embarrassment to the coach and his family. As a coach, I would far rather take some heat from internet trolls than have an individual consistantly call everyone out, assume everyone hates the coach and continue to whine at any drip of criticism.
Earlier or on the Orrville thread you stated "the grass isn't always greener". That is a good statement. It is also a double edged sword. Dennis killed West Holmes, Bohley put life into Chippewa. Do I want Coach Schmoe from Idaho? NO! I just would like to watch good football and talk about it be it praising or critically and not have my dad/teacher/boss snooping through my "messages" and telling me how wrong I am.
Again. I do not know Matt. I have nothing against the guy. I do have an opinion aand that is to put the horses in the backfield and run. You can live and die by the pass or you can run the ball and utilize the pass to stretch the field. I'm not a coach nor do I want to be. I dont even play Madden (I lied about that earlier). So maybe Im crazy. At the end of the day, YOU stir the pot and rile people up. Look at the Orrville thread, they are losing, there fans are unhappy. Its the nature of the BEAST. lol
I've been a lifelong Browns fan....I hate that, and I talk bad about them and coaching. Thank the Good Lord I don't have someone preaching to me on Sunday afternoon about MY opinion on the Browns on any given Sunday. -
Go Falcons
This weeks games:
Dalton @ Chippewa - Dogs will fall just like everyone else so far.
Smithville @ Norwayne - Norwayne in a close one
Northwestern @ Waynedale- which ever one gets the passing game working first wins, I'll go with daBears.
Hillsdale @ Rittman - My Falcons will just be taking care of business and will have to do it sans the bell. Mager broke the HHS career rushing record last week and will just keep adding to it. -
1_beast
Why no bell? Is Rittucky the place that wont let it in? I though that was Nwn? Or is it just too heavy for you in your latter yearsGo Falcons;1662081 wrote:This weeks games:
Dalton @ Chippewa - Dogs will fall just like everyone else so far.
Smithville @ Norwayne - Norwayne in a close one
Northwestern @ Waynedale- which ever one gets the passing game working first wins, I'll go with daBears.
Hillsdale @ Rittman - My Falcons will just be taking care of business and will have to do it sans the bell. Mager broke the HHS career rushing record last week and will just keep adding to it. -
Go Falcons
It's Nwn that has problems. No I will be out of town.1_beast;1662084 wrote:Why no bell? Is Rittucky the place that wont let it in? I though that was Nwn? Or is it just too heavy for you in your latter years -
Alum01
Dalton @ Chippewa- The boys are smelling it! Mercy clock runs the 4th quarter. Chipps BIG!Go Falcons;1662081 wrote:This weeks games:
Dalton @ Chippewa - Dogs will fall just like everyone else so far.
Smithville @ Norwayne - Norwayne in a close one
Northwestern @ Waynedale- which ever one gets the passing game working first wins, I'll go with daBears.
Hillsdale @ Rittman - My Falcons will just be taking care of business and will have to do it sans the bell. Mager broke the HHS career rushing record last week and will just keep adding to it.
Smithville @ Norwayne- Smithies are much improved, but Bobcats are the second best team in the league and are going to put a pounding on the young Smithies.
Northwestern @ Waynedale- Think the Bears win big. (unless they are out coached, just threw that in for my "Daddy" Nitwit, to pull your chain!)
Hillsdale @ Rittman- Falcons just keep rolling along setting up the big showdown for all the marbles. -
1_beast
Dalton in the upset of the year
Norwhat
Bears
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wcalfanBeast:
- I KNOW you don't really think we could have changed the 0-10 record that year with some "adjustments"...right???
- MAYBE we beat VASJ but remember Hendrix fumbled inside the 10 and they returned it for a TD and a senior WR dropped a HUGE pass late in that game. Again...gotta make plays!
- At this level and in this area...it is all about the Jimmy's and Joe's. You can't hide lack of talent on the football field...you just can't do it. Maybe the only sport you could do it around here is in basketball and we have seen it happen. That is the one sport you have the best chance of controlling the tempo and clock. All you need is a stud ballhandler and it can be done. In football you can't "grind it out" unless you have a stud RB and 2-3 tough lineman, then when they put 8 in the box, you will eventually need to have a qb that has a little accuracy THEN a wr that can catch it. In this area...that is asking a lot especially with the dwindling numbers in football EVERYWHERE.
- You know the responses I see on the Orrville thread from rrfan and CCRolly are real similar to my arguments. Soft society, weak talent pool, and parents. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....I am quite certain I've heard that somewhere before.
- By the way...I like the "dad/teacher/boss" reference...not sure how many times I have told you people on here...you aren't even remotely close. -
HitsRus
Major props to Chipp junior wideout, Jerry Bennett who burned the talented Waynedale secondary for 4 TD's and 215 yards offensively...and added another TD by a pick 6. -
Wcal observer- At this level and in this area...it is all about the Jimmy's and Joe's. You can't hide lack of talent on the football field...you just can't do it. Maybe the only sport you could do it around here is in basketball and we have seen it happen. That is the one sport you have the best chance of controlling the tempo and clock. All you need is a stud ballhandler and it can be done. In football you can't "grind it out" unless you have a stud RB and 2-3 tough lineman, then when they put 8 in the box, you will eventually need to have a qb that has a little accuracy THEN a wr that can catch it. In this area...that is asking a lot especially with the dwindling numbers in football EVERYWHERE.
Of course you have to have some talent! However, is the talent disparity that great among the top schools in the league? The answer is NO! What separates them from one another? COACHING!!!!! To your point, how do you maximize talent the most is key. I find it laughable that so many teams run spread! To your point WCAL, if teams have so few talented players; then why are you running a system that requires 6 athletes on every play? Most teams don't have the personal to run it! Norwayne would have beat Chippewa by lining up in an I formation and pounding Miller. Chippewa is successful because of misdirection, and ball fakes. Wayne dales offense was at its best with #32 at QB and #28 running. With #4 at QB you become one dimensional, and allow the defense to key on bubble screens and slip screens to #32. You need to flexible with systems and not force the kids to fit what you like to do. -
Wcal observer
They dared them to bet them up top, and they did! They backed off after being torched, and #33 went off. That's what balance will do to a defense!HitsRus;1662115 wrote:Major props to Chipp junior wideout, Jerry Bennett who burned the talented Waynedale secondary for 4 TD's and 215 yards offensively...and added another TD by a pick 6. -
Go Falcons
wcalfan;1660252 wrote:Concussion confirmed from my "people in the know". That's probably good for everyone since he wasn't the answer for us at qb, I guess.
Let's talk football beast...what are your thoughts about the qb "situation"?
Riebe had a bruised sternum (Mike Plant on QKT). Your "people in the know" know even less than you, if that is possible.wcalfan;1660256 wrote:Seriously...the kid has a concussion.
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wcalfanGo Falcons;1662126 wrote:Riebe had a bruised sternum (Mike Plant on QKT). Your "people in the know" know even less than you, if that is possible.
Hahahaha..."Mike Plant on QKT"....nice work Falcons but he is dead wrong.
Concussion CONFIRMED just talked to his dad tonight at the volleyball game. He had chest x-ray and cat scan done that night...both negative. He will not play tomorrow night. Like I have said on here...my facts are pretty accurate. -
wcalfanHitsRus;1662115 wrote:Major props to Chipp junior wideout, Jerry Bennett who burned the talented Waynedale secondary for 4 TD's and 215 yards offensively...and added another TD by a pick 6.
"talented Waynedale secondary"? Really??? We've given up the big pass play ALL YEAR. -
wcalfan
"One dimensional"? Seriously? Look at the area stats...#28, #32, & #4 are at the top in their respective categories....one dimensional? Really?Wcal observer;1662116 wrote:- At this level and in this area...it is all about the Jimmy's and Joe's. You can't hide lack of talent on the football field...you just can't do it. Maybe the only sport you could do it around here is in basketball and we have seen it happen. That is the one sport you have the best chance of controlling the tempo and clock. All you need is a stud ballhandler and it can be done. In football you can't "grind it out" unless you have a stud RB and 2-3 tough lineman, then when they put 8 in the box, you will eventually need to have a qb that has a little accuracy THEN a wr that can catch it. In this area...that is asking a lot especially with the dwindling numbers in football EVERYWHERE.
Of course you have to have some talent! However, is the talent disparity that great among the top schools in the league? The answer is NO! What separates them from one another? COACHING!!!!! To your point, how do you maximize talent the most is key. I find it laughable that so many teams run spread! To your point WCAL, if teams have so few talented players; then why are you running a system that requires 6 athletes on every play? Most teams don't have the personal to run it! Norwayne would have beat Chippewa by lining up in an I formation and pounding Miller. Chippewa is successful because of misdirection, and ball fakes. Wayne dales offense was at its best with #32 at QB and #28 running. With #4 at QB you become one dimensional, and allow the defense to key on bubble screens and slip screens to #32. You need to flexible with systems and not force the kids to fit what you like to do.
Listen closely....OFFENSE is not the problem here....we can't stop anyone! -
1_beast
interesting concept!Wcal observer;1662117 wrote:They dared them to bet them up top, and they did! They backed off after being torched, and #33 went off. That's what balance will do to a defense! -
1_beast
Should've came and talked to me. Keep hiding behind your keyboard. I got ya!wcalfan;1662168 wrote:Hahahaha..."Mike Plant on QKT"....nice work Falcons but he is dead wrong.
Concussion CONFIRMED just talked to his dad tonight at the volleyball game. He had chest x-ray and cat scan done that night...both negative. He will not play tomorrow night. Like I have said on here...my facts are pretty accurate.
Of course you probably saw me talking to him too. 
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O-Trap
It's worth noting that Waynedale hasn't lost to any team with a record worse than 5-1. They even beat Norwayne by 2 scores.
It's not unrealistic for this team to finish 6-4. The average record for a team to which they lose is 4.5 and 0.5 (Two 6-0 teams and two 5-1 teams). That's really not bad.
I just did some number crunching.
Chippewa - They look even better when you dig into their numbers a little. They've given up the second-fewest points of any team in the conference this year with 98. Lest you think that's because of a weak schedule, I'd have to point out that aside from the Chippewa games, their opponents have a .500 record (15-15). That is tied for the best winning percentage among beaten opponents in the league (Northwestern and Norwayne are also tied at .500). They average a score of 49.66 - 16.33 -- an average margin of victory of 33.33.
Dalton - I didn't know what to think of Dalton. They've beat the teams they're supposed to beat (opponents they've beaten have a 1.5 - 3.5 average record not including Dalton games ... lowest in the league), and they lose to who we'd expect them to lose to (losses have come to teams that are a combined 8 - 2). Their average win margin is equitable to their average loss margin. I have no idea what to do with this team other than say that they appear to be the quintessential "average" team.
Hillsdale - Winning with defense. That's the only explanation for a 5 - 1 team having scored the second-FEWEST points in the league. They have scored 137 points, translating to 22.83 PPG. The only team having scored fewer is Rittman, with 86 (14.33 PPG). However, it appears to be okay, because they've also given up the fewest points this year at 74, which translates to just 12.33 points per game. Very impressive.
Northwestern - I don't think Northwestern has played in a single game that turned out to be a blowout, which is a surprise, because they have given up the most points of any team in the league. At 202 points, opponents average 33.66 points per game to the Huskies' 27.83.
Norwayne - The Bobcats have played a little Jekyll/Hyde this year. They beat an otherwise 4 - 1 Dalton team. They take Chippewa to the wire. But they also lose to Waynedale (2-4) by 14 points. It seems so strange for a team to take it down to the wire with Chippewa, but then do the same thing with Dalton and/or Waynedale. The offense doesn't seem to be the issue, even with the odd games against Dalton and Waynedale. They've put up 231 points this year - a distant second to Chippewa's 298. It's also worth noting that they, like Chippewa, have beaten opponents with a combined winning percentage of .500 (the Norwayne games notwithstanding). Taking that into consideration, they probably are the second-best team in the conference, but I would watch Hillsdale for that as well.
Rittman - What can I say? They're better than last year. They've scored the fewest points, but they're only third in points given up, and they have two wins. All things considered, it's a step up from last year.
Smithville - Much improved over last year's 1 - 9 squad. They're 4th in the league in points scored and 5th in points given up. Their average win margin is 12 points. Their average loss margin is 15. The teams they've beat have an average record of just 1.75 - 3.25, not including the Smithville game. The teams they've lost to, however, are 9 - 1. So, really, they're a lot like Dalton. They've demonstrated themselves as an average team, beating teams an average team should beat and losing to teams an average team should lose to. The margins aren't too lopsided in either direction, which makes me think they're right smack-dab in the middle.
Waynedale - I don't ultimately know what to do with Waynedale. They've had probably the toughest schedule to date, reflected by the fact that their four losses come to teams with an otherwise 18-2 combined record, which is ridiculous. We'll see where they actually fit within the middle of the pack in the next few weeks. I honestly can't say I would have picked their games any differently than they way they played out, though maybe with different margins. I'm not sure how you beat a team that is otherwise 4-1 at this point by about the same margin as a team that is 0-5 otherwise. And I don't know that I'd be the least bit upset with how they've played in conference play thus far. They've faced the three toughest WCAL teams. The fact that they've come out of that 1-2 (and really hung with Hillsdale) should actually be something to be hopeful about. If anything, I really do think they're overperforming. From the last five weeks, their opponents' overall combined record is 26-4. Having come out of those five weeks with any victories at all ... hey, I'd be thrilled. -
O-Trap
* Numbers do not include games against the team in question.Team Wins Losses Points For Points Against Average Score Points For in Win Points Against in Win Winning Score (Avg.) Points For in Loss Points Against in Loss Losing Score (Avg.) Wins by Beaten Opponent* Losses by Beaten Opponent* Average Record of Team Beaten Wins by Victorious Opponent* Losses by Victorious Opponent* Average Record of Team Lost To Chippewa 6 0 298 98 49.66 - 16.33 298 98 49.66 - 16.33 0 0 0 - 0 15 15 2.5 - 2.5 0 0 0 - 0 Dalton 4 2 211 140 35.16 - 23.33 179 79 44.75 - 19.75 32 61 16 - 30.5 6 14 1.5 - 3.5 8 2 4 - 1 Hillsdale 5 1 137 74 22.83 - 12.33 137 43 27.4 - 8.6 0 31 0 - 31 11 14 2.2 - 2.8 5 0 5 - 0 Northwestern 2 4 167 202 27.83 - 33.66 68 46 34 - 23 99 156 24.75 - 39 5 5 2.5 - 2.5 14 6 3.5 - 1.5 Norwayne 4 2 231 151 38.5 - 25.16 161 64 40.25 - 16 70 87 35 - 43.5 10 10 2.5 - 2.5 6 4 3 - 2 Rittman 2 4 86 192 14.33 - 32 52 28 26 - 14 34 164 8.5 - 41 4 6 2 - 3 14 6 3.5 - 1.5 Smithville 4 2 179 161 29.83 - 26.83 144 96 36 - 24 35 65 17.5 - 32.5 7 13 1.75 - 3.25 9 1 4.5 - 0.5 Waynedale 2 4 155 199 25.83 - 33.16 62 35 31 - 17.5 93 164 23.25 - 41 4 6 2 - 3 18 2 4.5 - 0.5
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jaco1_beast;1662044 wrote:I agree with you some on this and we could come up with all kinds of "ifs" but I still can't get passed 385-73. Do you really think position adjustments would have remedied that? The answer is.....No way!
I don't know
We had 2 1000 yd backs in 85? I remember 1 (Gentry) but who was the other? AND we didn't have a freshman QB that year. We had a senior at QB (Ricksecker). You may be thinking of Lemon but he was a soph in 85 and played DB on that team. He WAS the qb his freshman year because we had 2 qb's get season ending injuries. If you are about the "facts", I am just here to help you.
Correct. I was thinking Lemons freshman year when Morris? broke leg against WH and Ricksecker was in car wreck putting Lemon at QB.
You guys might be thinking of Larry Collins. He had a lot of carries that season. Not sure if he topped 1,000 yards, though. -
wcalfanjaco;1662235 wrote:1_beast;1662044 wrote:I agree with you some on this and we could come up with all kinds of "ifs" but I still can't get passed 385-73. Do you really think position adjustments would have remedied that? The answer is.....No way!
I don't know
We had 2 1000 yd backs in 85? I remember 1 (Gentry) but who was the other? AND we didn't have a freshman QB that year. We had a senior at QB (Ricksecker). You may be thinking of Lemon but he was a soph in 85 and played DB on that team. He WAS the qb his freshman year because we had 2 qb's get season ending injuries. If you are about the "facts", I am just here to help you.
Correct. I was thinking Lemons freshman year when Morris? broke leg against WH and Ricksecker was in car wreck putting Lemon at QB.
You guys might be thinking of Larry Collins. He had a lot of carries that season. Not sure if he topped 1,000 yards, though.
"Liberty" Larry Collins was a great all-around player for us...don't think he gained 1,000 yards though.