Wayne County Athletic League Football 2014
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1_beast
Interesting list!wcalfan;1661819 wrote:I am not "looking" for anything. I was simply trying to show Hunter (which is impossible) how you can't expect wrestling success to transfer to football success. We do probably have 2 wrestlers that didn't come out for football that would have been starting lineman for us and they have good size. I am sure there are more that should be playing as well but those were the first 2 that came to mind. We do have proven athletes on the football team but not as many as we should.
http://www.sectiononewrestling.com/documents/nfl_players_wrestled.html
"I would have all my offensive linemen wrestle if I could." -John Madden - Hall of Fame NFL Coach -
Hunter86
To say that our 0-10 team was over-matched & we had nobody on the team to compare to others in the league that year is total BS & you know it.wcalfan;1661819 wrote:I am not "looking" for anything. I was simply trying to show Hunter (which is impossible) how you can't expect wrestling success to transfer to football success. We do probably have 2 wrestlers that didn't come out for football that would have been starting lineman for us and they have good size. I am sure there are more that should be playing as well but those were the first 2 that came to mind. We do have proven athletes on the football team but not as many as we should.
Our 6-4 team last year had the leftovers from the 0-10 team with some new freshman thrown in.
What was different last year is there was a core group of players that got together for each other & said lets do this.
Yes we beat the teams we were supposed to beat last year.
Why didn't we beat the teams we were supposed to beat when we went 0-10 ? (Team spirit that's why).
The seniors in our 0-10 year (less one outstanding RB & our quarterback) killed our team spirit.
Why ?
Because they got tired of all the BS.
Hard to run when there's no one to block for you.
Run the ball all the way down the field & then 4 straight pass plays to failure. Shall I go on ?
If the kids don't believe in themselves whose fault is it ? (Hint maybe the (dare I say it ?) coaches fault ?)
Yes I don't like our current FB coach.
Why ? It started long before my son played for him. (keep in mind that prior to this time I didn't even know who he was)
Why do I like 90 % of all other coaches in our system ? What's different about them ?
Who would I look back on as a mentor that my son looked up to ? -
Alum01
looking back at this thread I have a question, Wcalfan has attacked everyone on this thread but this post? Is this the guy that can shut this nitwit up? My head is spinning from the things he has said. One day it's one thong then the next it's something else. Maybe the Chipps will let waclfan come up during playoff week an set in on some practices, heck they may let you stand on the sidelines during a big game, maybe they will let you you ride the whole tournament ride with them. If not I will save you a seat in the stands if you would like.iced earth;1657872 wrote:Maybe he's a good leader and role model...but he isn't a very good X's and O's coach. Waynedale should have easily won that game tonight. -
Go Falcons
I am really missing the days when the big distraction was cat recipes!: thumbup: -
Wcal observerBold prediction out there that Doty of Dalton said that dogs will hold the Chipps to 21 or under? Ballsy to put it in the paper. Fact or Fiction?
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was_that_it
I am with you!!!Go Falcons;1661851 wrote:I am really missing the days when the big distraction was cat recipes!: thumbup:
Definitely some good games left. Interested to see how dalton does with Chippewa. Chips offense seems legit, under 21 is a tall task. Bobcats stalk! Man I loved Paul!!! Hillsdale will cow-butt rittman. (Not clever enough it have my own sayings.) shoutout Paul, I remember! -
wcalfanHunter86;1661823 wrote:To say that our 0-10 team was over-matched & we had nobody on the team to compare to others in the league that year is total BS & you know it.
Our 6-4 team last year had the leftovers from the 0-10 team with some new freshman thrown in.
What was different last year is there was a core group of players that got together for each other & said lets do this.
Yes we beat the teams we were supposed to beat last year.
Why didn't we beat the teams we were supposed to beat when we went 0-10 ? (Team spirit that's why).
The seniors in our 0-10 year (less one outstanding RB & our quarterback) killed our team spirit.
Why ?
Because they got tired of all the BS.
Hard to run when there's no one to block for you.
Run the ball all the way down the field & then 4 straight pass plays to failure. Shall I go on ?
If the kids don't believe in themselves whose fault is it ? (Hint maybe the (dare I say it ?) coaches fault ?)
Yes I don't like our current FB coach.
Why ? It started long before my son played for him. (keep in mind that prior to this time I didn't even know who he was)
Why do I like 90 % of all other coaches in our system ? What's different about them ?
Who would I look back on as a mentor that my son looked up to ?
Hunter...that post will go down as one of your best ever....haven't we been over this before??? Here this may help...write this down and ponder it for a minute...385-73. Want to guess what that is? Let me help you...during the 0-10 year our opponents scored 385 points and we scored 73 points. Now I am not the smartest person but I think that means we gave up 38.5 points per game and scored an average of 7.3 points a game. Which also means we lost by an average of 31 points per game...just over 5 touchdowns a game! What teams were we supposed to beat??? Again, I will never proclaim to be a genius BUT I think that may qualify as being "over matched". Now, just to make you feel better I may give you the benefit of the doubt and say we could have won the first game of the year that year at Tusky Valley (we lost 7-0) BUT you do remember we played that game without that "outstanding RB" that you referred to...do you remember why??? Let me guess...the coach killed his "spirit" so much that it forced him to go break team rules? We lost to a 1-9 Chippewa team 38-22 and a 2-8 Rittman team 32-12 both @ HOME. I am not saying that some of that the coach shouldn't take some of the blame but come on! What? Did he all of sudden get stupid as a coach?
And I AM THE ONE who is out of touch with reality and delusional????
You don't like our FB coach?...NOOOO! Really? AND it started long before your son played for him? You mean during the time he won 31 games in 5 years (one season was 2-8) AND won 2 league titles AND made 3 playoff appearances? You mean during THAT time he did something to offend you? What...did he win too much??? When you say prior to your son playing for him you didn't even know who he was...THAT is BS. He was one of your son's middle school bball coaches wasn't he??? Hmmmmm........
Listen people...let me spell it out for you: A.....G.....E......N.....D.....A. This reeks of that word and it is soooooooo obvious. Oh!....that's right......he isn't on a witch hunt though....my bad! -
wcalfan
Please pay attention junior...my argument has pretty much been the same all the way through this...you can't just blame the coach for everything that has gone wrong. Coach Z has proven he can win.Alum01;1661831 wrote:looking back at this thread I have a question, Wcalfan has attacked everyone on this thread but this post? Is this the guy that can shut this nitwit up? My head is spinning from the things he has said. One day it's one thong then the next it's something else. Maybe the Chipps will let waclfan come up during playoff week an set in on some practices, heck they may let you stand on the sidelines during a big game, maybe they will let you you ride the whole tournament ride with them. If not I will save you a seat in the stands if you would like.
Is iced referring to the Hillsdale game in that post...yes he is! Oh that's the one where we fumbled 4 times including 2 times inside the 20 and lost 13-7?
Listen son...I have experienced more BIG games in Golden Bear land than you could ever dream of experiencing. You want me to show you a comparison of the playoff history between the 2 schools? I can do that....
Also...you STILL haven't answered my question about whether or not Coach Thut threw his kids under the bus with HIS quotes in the paper last Saturday? -
Go Falcons
I bet Beast was closer to the experience.wcalfan;1661867 wrote:Is iced referring to the Hillsdale game in that post...yes he is! Oh that's the one where we fumbled 4 times including 2 times inside the 20 and lost 13-7?
Listen son...I have experienced more BIG games in Golden Bear land than you could ever dream of experiencing. You want me to show you a comparison of the playoff history between the 2 schools? I can do that.... -
Wcal observerRemember when Harvard beat Oregon in the 1920 Rose Bowl 7-6? Now that was a big game! Harvard must have had a stout defense to shut down the Ducks high powered offense! Quit living in the past! Styles change, kids change, the game changes........
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wcalfan
I assume you must be talking to Hunter who says he doesn't like our "FB coach" because Why? "Something he did long before my son played for him"Wcal observer;1661875 wrote:Remember when Harvard beat Oregon in the 1920 Rose Bowl 7-6? Now that was a big game! Harvard must have had a stout defense to shut down the Ducks high powered offense! Quit living in the past! Styles change, kids change, the game changes........ -
1_beast
MY GOD!!!!! WHERE DO I START???
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1_beast
Well...for starters. You take your 2 year starting QB, (2 yr Offensive MVP) (correct me if im wrong) and move him to RB. Now thats a great backfield, Brenden could run and Josh was a proven RB! BUT!!!! You give a 140lb freshman the workload at 15-20 carries a game, and leave your 2 180 lb proven SENIOR athlete(RB'S) at 5 OR less carries a gameHunter86;1661823 wrote:To say that our 0-10 team was over-matched & we had nobody on the team to compare to others in the league that year is total BS & you know it.
Our 6-4 team last year had the leftovers from the 0-10 team with some new freshman thrown in.
What was different last year is there was a core group of players that got together for each other & said lets do this.
Yes we beat the teams we were supposed to beat last year.
Why didn't we beat the teams we were supposed to beat when we went 0-10 ? (Team spirit that's why).
The seniors in our 0-10 year (less one outstanding RB & our quarterback) killed our team spirit.
Why ?
Because they got tired of all the BS.
Hard to run when there's no one to block for you.
Run the ball all the way down the field & then 4 straight pass plays to failure. Shall I go on ?
If the kids don't believe in themselves whose fault is it ? (Hint maybe the (dare I say it ?) coaches fault ?)
Yes I don't like our current FB coach.
Why ? It started long before my son played for him. (keep in mind that prior to this time I didn't even know who he was)
Why do I like 90 % of all other coaches in our system ? What's different about them ?
Who would I look back on as a mentor that my son looked up to?
Iced Earth knows ball!Alum01;1661831 wrote:looking back at this thread I have a question, Wcalfan has attacked everyone on this thread but this post? Is this the guy that can shut this nitwit up? My head is spinning from the things he has said. One day it's one thong then the next it's something else. Maybe the Chipps will let waclfan come up during playoff week an set in on some practices, heck they may let you stand on the sidelines during a big game, maybe they will let you you ride the whole tournament ride with them. If not I will save you a seat in the stands if you would like.
He also is disgusted, as an Alum with whats going on! His Senior year, the Bears had 24 kids on the team and made the regional finals. w (2) 1000 yd backs and freshman QB!
Bears went 1-9 the following year with a spread offense, taking the best returning reciever and putting him in the backfield. THAT coach lasted 1/2 a season.
Miyagi has those.Go Falcons;1661851 wrote:I am really missing the days when the big distraction was cat recipes!: thumbup:
Good question. I call the Dawgs in an upset! Chipps are over rated Bears would have crushed them if they didnt play man/3-5 yds off receivers. Got beat deep 65, 75, 28....play centerfield ad move up on the ball...dont back peddle. Chipps arent Triway, with the short slants and bubble screens.Wcal observer;1661853 wrote:Bold prediction out there that Doty of Dalton said that dogs will hold the Chipps to 21 or under? Ballsy to put it in the paper. Fact or Fiction?
Come back Paul...no, don't!was_that_it;1661857 wrote:I am with you!!!
Definitely some good games left. Interested to see how dalton does with Chippewa. Chips offense seems legit, under 21 is a tall task. Bobcats stalk! Man I loved Paul!!! Hillsdale will cow-butt rittman. (Not clever enough it have my own sayings.) shoutout Paul, I remember!
2 titles and 3 playoffs. Nofsinger, Nofsinger, and Stryker, (6-4 platoon that everyone hated...and was abandoned at Cuyahoga Hts. 1/2 season too late! Sedars boys. (you're making me be nasty.)wcalfan;1661864 wrote:Hunter...that post will go down as one of your best ever....haven't we been over this before??? Here this may help...write this down and ponder it for a minute...385-73. Want to guess what that is? Let me help you...during the 0-10 year our opponents scored 385 points and we scored 73 points. Now I am not the smartest person but I think that means we gave up 38.5 points per game and scored an average of 7.3 points a game. Which also means we lost by an average of 31 points per game...just over 5 touchdowns a game! What teams were we supposed to beat??? Again, I will never proclaim to be a genius BUT I think that may qualify as being "over matched". Now, just to make you feel better I may give you the benefit of the doubt and say we could have won the first game of the year that year at Tusky Valley (we lost 7-0) BUT you do remember we played that game without that "outstanding RB" that you referred to...do you remember why??? Let me guess...the coach killed his "spirit" so much that it forced him to go break team rules? We lost to a 1-9 Chippewa team 38-22 and a 2-8 Rittman team 32-12 both @ HOME. I am not saying that some of that the coach shouldn't take some of the blame but come on! What? Did he all of sudden get stupid as a coach?
And I AM THE ONE who is out of touch with reality and delusional????
You don't like our FB coach?...NOOOO! Really? AND it started long before your son played for him? You mean during the time he won 31 games in 5 years (one season was 2-8) AND won 2 league titles AND made 3 playoff appearances? You mean during THAT time he did something to offend you? What...did he win too much??? When you say prior to your son playing for him you didn't even know who he was...THAT is BS. He was one of your son's middle school bball coaches wasn't he??? Hmmmmm........
Listen people...let me spell it out for you: A.....G.....E......N.....D.....A. This reeks of that word and it is soooooooo obvious. Oh!....that's right......he isn't on a witch hunt though....my bad!
Listen SON...Nofsinger had 2000+ yds as a jr, 1300+ as a senior with injury. Stryker had 700+ (out of position) as a senior, 6-4 lucked into playoffs on stupid platoon system, abandonded it in playoffs. Saw great plays by kids that never got a chance in regular season.wcalfan;1661867 wrote:Please pay attention junior...my argument has pretty much been the same all the way through this...you can't just blame the coach for everything that has gone wrong. Coach Z has proven he can win.
Is iced referring to the Hillsdale game in that post...yes he is! Oh that's the one where we fumbled 4 times including 2 times inside the 20 and lost 13-7?
Listen son...I have experienced more BIG games in Golden Bear land than you could ever dream of experiencing. You want me to show you a comparison of the playoff history between the 2 schools? I can do that....
Also...you STILL haven't answered my question about whether or not Coach Thut threw his kids under the bus with HIS quotes in the paper last Saturday?
Maybe...Go Falcons;1661874 wrote:I bet Beast was closer to the experience.
Duh. No we dont remember. We were not alive.Wcal observer;1661875 wrote:Remember when Harvard beat Oregon in the 1920 Rose Bowl 7-6? Now that was a big game! Harvard must have had a stout defense to shut down the Ducks high powered offense! Quit living in the past! Styles change, kids change, the game changes........
maybe the platoon?wcalfan;1661881 wrote:I assume you must be talking to Hunter who says he doesn't like our "FB coach" because Why? "Something he did long before my son played for him"
Waynedales POWERHOUSE FB team last won an outright title in 97 or 98, maybe both. Jeff Souers, Steve Remeneric and Bill Sedar combined for about a .625. over 25 years, Matt is around .516 over 9 years.
Leading the league with 16? titles....the bears have been sub parand glad that Dalton and Smithville have been down...otherwise we wouldn't lead the league in titles.
I like statistics. Its not the Jimmie's and Joe's or the X's and O's....it the FACTS!
EDIT: Some of my numbers may be off a little as I dont have it all in front of me. Im more of a wrestling guy. -
Red Rum
HOW COULD I FORGET IT!!!....WORST DAY OF MY LIFE!!!!Wcal observer;1661875 wrote:Remember when Harvard beat Oregon in the 1920 Rose Bowl 7-6?
The Pasadena cops confiscated my beers due to that prohibition thing....I broke the frame on my model T gettin' freaky with the butter faced popcorn girl....and Oregon should have won but they kept trying to pass inside the 5 yd line!!
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wcalfanWell...for starters. You take your 2 year starting QB, (2 yr Offensive MVP) (correct me if im wrong) and move him to RB. Now thats a great backfield, Brenden could run and Josh was a proven RB! BUT!!!! You give a 140lb freshman the workload at 15-20 carries a game, and leave your 2 180 lb proven SENIOR athlete(RB'S) at 5 OR less carries a game
I agree with you some on this and we could come up with all kinds of "ifs" but I still can't get passed 385-73. Do you really think position adjustments would have remedied that? The answer is.....No way!
Iced Earth knows ball!
He also is disgusted, as an Alum with whats going on! His Senior year, the Bears had 24 kids on the team and made the regional finals. w (2) 1000 yd backs and freshman QB
We had 2 1000 yd backs in 85? I remember 1 (Gentry) but who was the other? AND we didn't have a freshman QB that year. We had a senior at QB (Ricksecker). You may be thinking of Lemon but he was a soph in 85 and played DB on that team. He WAS the qb his freshman year because we had 2 qb's get season ending injuries. If you are about the "facts", I am just here to help you.
Bears went 1-9 the following year with a spread offense, taking the best returning reciever and putting him in the backfield. THAT coach lasted 1/2 a season.
Are you saying that any coach that goes 1-9 should be gone? Seder went 1-9 one year but then 2 years later went 10-2. I guess we should have fired him.....AND why did he go 10-2? Let me guess...because of Hendrix, right?:RpS_razz:
2 titles and 3 playoffs. Nofsinger, Nofsinger, and Stryker, (6-4 platoon that everyone hated...and was abandoned at Cuyahoga Hts. 1/2 season too late! Sedars boys. (you're making me be nasty.)
Here again I get a little confused with what you are trying to say....so it isn't about the Jimmys and Joes or is it??? You list players names which I assume means THEY were the reason we were successful, right? AND when you say "Sedars boys" you must be also insinuating that Z was just inheriting those boys BUT you forget that he was an assistant for those boys (might have even been their position coach..not sure) and was responsible for ALL the weight room workouts which played a BIG part in Nofsinger and Stryker getting to the "next level".
Listen SON...Nofsinger had 2000+ yds as a jr, 1300+ as a senior with injury. Stryker had 700+ (out of position) as a senior, 6-4 lucked into playoffs on stupid platoon system, abandonded it in playoffs. Saw great plays by kids that never got a chance in regular season
Whew...my head is spinning here junior. Out of position, stupid platoon system, lucked into playoff...I would take LUCKY right now in the worst way. Then we abandoned the platoon in the playoffs and saw great plays by kids during a 28-7 LOSS........
maybe the platooon?
WRONG...he likes the platoon because 2-way players get worn down and 3/4 into a game we are gassed.
Waynedales POWERHOUSE FB team last won an outright title in 97 or 98, maybe both. Jeff Souers, Steve Remeneric and Bill Sedar combined for about a .625. over 25 years, Matt is around .516 over 9 years.
Leading the league with 16? titles....the bears have been sub parand glad that Dalton and Smithville have been down...otherwise we wouldn't lead the league in titles.
I like statistics. Its not the Jimmie's and Joe's or the X's and O's....it the FACTS!
Your facts are close but not all correct. When it comes to "just the facts", I am sorry but you won't win that battle with me. Plus, you still need to make up your mind because you certainly seem to think that any success that Z has had is when he had Jimmy's and Joe's....now that's A FACT JACK!:RpS_flapper: -
O-Trap
*sigh* Just when I thought we were starting to get along.
First, I have to ask how you know that this is the reason, and it's not just the reason given.Hunter86;1661823 wrote:Why didn't we beat the teams we were supposed to beat when we went 0-10 ? (Team spirit that's why).
The seniors in our 0-10 year (less one outstanding RB & our quarterback) killed our team spirit.
Why ?
Because they got tired of all the BS.
Second, while I have no dog in the fight, I can't see why the (essentially) same team in back to back years suddenly is able to cope with what they couldn't cope with the prior year.
Don't get me wrong. I don't really know Coach Zuercher. I mean, he's been around awhile, and I played against him (though we never spoke), but he seems to have too many years peppered with success to be drawing such hostility.
Every coach has years where their team doesn't do well. The truth is that it could be any mix of reasons, with any range of degrees. If a coach shows that he can get the most out of any of his teams, which I'd be willing to say Zuercher has done during some of his years coaching, then he's competent enough to be a good coach. That doesn't mean he won't make bad decisions. I can think of decisions toward the end of Schrock's career that, in hindsight, might have played out better if he'd chosen differently. That doesn't mean he wasn't a good (or even great) coach. Just meant he wasn't perfect.
I really don't think this is the case a lot of the time. If a kid believes in himself, then he believes in his potential to be good and help the team, and that exists regardless of in-game decision-making. I suppose that a coach could affect it if he were to say negative things about the team, but I think that whoever is communicating something negative to the kids ... someone they trust ... would be having an effect on their lack of confidence.Hunter86;1661823 wrote:If the kids don't believe in themselves whose fault is it ? (Hint maybe the (dare I say it ?) coaches fault ?)
However, it's counterintuitive for a coach to do this, because it isn't even self-serving to do so (in fact, a case can be made that it's self-defeating). I'm sure it happens, but it doesn't seem like it would be common because of that fact.
This is evident, but it sounds as though you're making no attempt at being objective. That makes it difficult to view your statements as carrying weight. Sometimes those involved, or having been involved, are the hardest to trust for an objective take for this very reason.Hunter86;1661823 wrote:Yes I don't like our current FB coach.
Your dislike for the coach started long before your son played for him? And yet, prior to "this time" (presumably when your son played for him?), you didn't even know who he was? Would you mind elaborating?Hunter86;1661823 wrote: Why ? It started long before my son played for him. (keep in mind that prior to this time I didn't even know who he was)
Look, you've got a veteran coach who has seen success coaching your program. Since the start of the 2007 season, the Bears are 37-33 in regular season play (above .500). There are three playoff appearances since that time (though, admittedly, only one in which they got out of the first round). There are 5 winning seasons and 2 losing seasons in that time, as well.
There are, in fact, schools that would give a lot to have a coach with such a record.
Now I'm not an insider in the Waynedale program. I've never been watching to make sure freshmen were allowed in locker rooms or whatever. I'm merely someone who sees them a week or two a year, who is looking at the metrics of their body of work in recent years, and who isn't involved in their program enough to have an agenda. So take that for what it's worth. -
O-Trap
And dear sweet Moses, if nobody else will answer wcalfan, I will.
wcalfan, no. Thut was not throwing his players under the bus by stating mistakes by players in a quote to the paper. -
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If a coach when asked why you lost does not have a good answer like "Our secondary let to many get by them" I would wonder how is he going to know what to address to make the corrections.O-Trap;1661947 wrote:And dear sweet Moses, if nobody else will answer wcalfan, I will.
wcalfan, no. Thut was not throwing his players under the bus by stating mistakes by players in a quote to the paper. -
Red Rum
This thread is like the movie "Groundhog Day" except in this version we're all stuck in the same never ending Waynedale rerun where the same arguments get argued again...and again...and again
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Hunter86
No in fact he wasn't, those would have been McConnell & Riebe..wcalfan;1661864 wrote: When you say prior to your son playing for him you didn't even know who he was...THAT is BS. He was one of your son's middle school bball coaches wasn't he??? Hmmmmm........
Top 3 reasons it wasn't "Z"
(1)The kids skill levels improved.
(2) The kids had fun.
(3) We were middle school league champions.
Keep trying though................... -
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I think its more like the game wack-a-mole! :RpS_blink:Red Rum;1661959 wrote:This thread is like the movie "Groundhog Day" except in this version we're all stuck in the same never ending Waynedale rerun where the same arguments get argued again...and again...and again
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wcalfanHunter86;1661960 wrote:No in fact he wasn't, those would have been McConnell & Riebe..
Top 3 reasons it wasn't "Z"
(1)The kids skill levels improved.
(2) The kids had fun.
(3) We were middle school league champions.
Keep trying though...................
Not trying to beat a dead horse (I know, I know...that's all I do) BUT you are wrong about this...Z & Reibe were their coaches in 8th grade. Go ahead and ask your son.
PLEASE keep trying..... -
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Paul
I know Waynedale is in the WCAL does anyone know who the other teams are? My wisdom tells me next year 2015 is the year of the Bobcat Stalk, with the stalk goes lots of Cow Butts, Nuff said. -
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