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2012 Wayne County Athletic League Football

  • Paul_1
    Bobcat;1289147 wrote:Im guessing real catfan is a coach not a parent. We all are riding the high of winning but this a forum is where people come to post their opinions. If you dont like it go back to watching films. By the way Footballnuts opinion is the right one IMO. If Zimmerly blows a knee up by 50 in the 3rd then Norwayne's staff full of head coaches have to answer how something like that happens. If winning is truly what's important then you perserve the win, get all you're studs out of the game and start preparing for the next one. You dont pull all of your studs, run(and throw to) your POY the year candidate for 2 more series then start preparing for the next one.
    Right!!
  • Bloody Toothbrush
    Jmar25;1285963 wrote:(WHOOP-ED-DEE-DO!).
    ^^^this is gonna come in handy later in the multiquote

    Jmar25;1285963 wrote:How has Hillsdale proven they are a good team this year? They have not beat a single good team yet? Bucyrus is 3-3 with wins against bad teams and losses against good teams....

    Manchester is 4-2 but look at the schedule they played... They beat bad black rivers, timkens, and tusky valley. I'll admit I don't know anything about woodridge...

    Northwestern... HAS ALSO PLAYED BAD TEAMS! Now... They were beating a solid Mogadore team but.... lost.... Their best win has been Smithville.... (WHOOP-ED-DEE-DO!)

    This game will however distinguish a WCAL runner up and knock one of them out of the playoffs.
    Whoa......Jmar land is filled with irony......almost everybody sucks, Mogadore (7-0) is just a "solid" team......and yet the WCAL is a powerhouse conference.
    You're starting to remind me of Skip Bayless

    Bloody Toothbrush;1287380 wrote:also....Waynedale's gonna beat Chippewa.....and Rittman.
    well.....maybe not.
    Dr. KnOiTaLL;1287649 wrote:It's not the size of the kids, but rather, how big the kids play. HEART goes a long way in HS football.
    I agree
    Walt Disney;1287708 wrote: I expect it will be a bad night for Hillsdale.
    it was
    Go Falcons;1288343 wrote:Were have you been? There has been a week ten championship game the last two years!.
    I have noticed that if the "old big 3" are not involved.....alot of stuff just doesn't count.
    Jmar25;1288354 wrote:By the way eyes, you my friend are a major douche. You're a real big man to come on here and run your mouth about a coach under a hidden name and then call someone else out and claim they are hiding.
    LOL......Jmar is speaking some truth here^^^
    oldsmithie;1288374 wrote:Interesting shake up this week in the games! Triway lost, W.Holmes Lost, Waynedale lost to Chippewa!!!! (never saw this one coming). I think Norwayne will not let up this week!!! at the expense of the Smithies! pay back is gonna hurt.
    definitely a week of unexpected underdog victories....especially Waynedale & Triway!!!
    jaco;1288525 wrote:Yeah, I don't see any D1 talent coming out of the WCAL for a while. Not a great demand for 5'9", 175 pound kids who run 4.8 40's. Wallace was the last best chance and his 40 time was so slow that the MAC wouldn't even think about him.
    keep hatin' jaco......you need more practice.

    Jmar25;1288942 wrote:Yes I did play real sports. 3 year letterman in football and wrestling at waynedale. WCAL and daily record recognition in football. 4 years of college ball in the OAC. Coach multiple sports including football. I HAVE FORGOT MORE FOOTBALL THAN YOU HAVE EVER KNOWN. That monkey knows more than you do too....Go speak your ignorance elsewhere. You're clueless.
    Al Bundy played high school football and scored 4 touchdowns in one game.....just sayin'

    Should we all submit resumes to determine if our opinions are worthy?
    wcalfan;1289231 wrote:Well I'm back from my little "vacation".
    Here's my chance..... WHOOP-ED-DEE-DO!
    wcalfan;1289236 wrote: has spoken once again.
    WHOOP-ED-DEE-DO!

    welcome back fellow "internet hero!!!"
  • MOUNTAINBEAR
    you are mistaken young man if you think that you are speaking to a clueless fairweather fan. I have 4 letters in football, 4 letters in wrestling, invited to the north south all-star game, two league championships and thats all for the bears. I have a personal scrap book that will not fit in your closet. I coached jr high kids that made their title game two yrs running, for the first time in 30 yrs. On a coaching staff for freshmen that made the finals for first time in 17 years. Ever known! Played on 3 of the best baseball teams wayne county has ever known. Boxed for 2 yrs. Well I probably told you to much, but I do know just alittle bit about the ins and outs of sports. So to tell a 14 or 15 year old do not throw the slant in the heat of a football game is NOT good coaching. Put your kids in a position to win, do not put your kids in a position to fail, know the abilities and the limitations of your athelets with the personal ability to motivate and even over achieve. And that is before you even get to the x's and o's. I am however going to retract the monkey in a headset comment and apoligize to coach Z, it is out of line.
    Jmar25;1288942 wrote:the exact words from coach z on the interception was don't throw the slant. He told the qb to throw the out. Those are the words I got from an assistant. What did his qb throw? The slant... How in the heck do you blame that on Z? YOU CAN'T! If you are winning and in position to add to it.... And your kid does the opposite of what you say.... I'm pretty sure you blame that on the kid... That is common occurence this year. Say what you want but you are wrong. If coaches have as much pull as you think... Schrock and ram would have never lost.

    Yes I did play real sports. 3 year letterman in football and wrestling at waynedale. WCAL and daily record recognition in football. 4 years of college ball in the OAC. Coach multiple sports including football. I HAVE FORGOT MORE FOOTBALL THAN YOU HAVE EVER KNOWN. That monkey knows more than you do too....Go speak your ignorance elsewhere. You're clueless.
  • MOUNTAINBEAR
    "clueless" just wondering where the beast has gone.
  • was_that_it
    Go Falcons;1288814 wrote:As I stated, I do question a few of the plays that were called last night. However, since my football and coaching experience and knowledge is not at a masters level, I tend to give leeway to the coaching staff that has taken the Hillsdale Falcons from the forty year whipping boy of the WCAL to not only the top tier of the WCAL but also an upper level team in DV.
    It is easy to set in the stands on Friday nights and say this or that young man would do this or that position better than another, or this play vs. that play is better. It is the coaches that have worked with these young men since the beginning of August, and actually a lot longer, and they are the ones who know what each one is actually capable or incapable of doing. There is also always things that go on in practice and in the life of students that affect a team that the fans are unaware of and these can effect how a coach approaches a game also.
    This. Well said Go Falcs. Don't agree with all the coaches calls, Walt made a few solids points. But I for one would not compare one game to Hillsdale coaching of old, if anything looked like Hillsdale football of old, it was our play both O and D that let us down, not coaching. That and not playing with much passion.
  • MOUNTAINBEAR
    Geeeeeez! Its highschool football, and now someone wants to bring the bible into it. No, leave the nephew out of this. Because the young man does whats asked of him and then some, and my personal life does not effect waynedale football. ......like the solution of blaming young kids, blaming parents, The coach does not like losing, the kids do not lose on purpose. But if the bus has a flat tire, you change the tire.
    wcalfan;1289236 wrote:Oh yes, the man from down South has spoken once again. Let me ask you this...does your nephew hear you say the things you say on here because if he does then how is Coach Z ever supposed to coach a kid that has all of these negative thoughts in his head already? If you aren't saying them to him, then I can sure bet his dad is saying them to him.

    THIS (caps just like my hero!) my friend is at the heart of our problems here at Waynedale...you have proven what Jmar and I have been saying on here since day one.

    Oh wait I forgot, you played as a freshman so you have all the answers. Listen Mountain, I know a little thing or two about you and this is why it is laughable to see people say the things they say on here. Doesn't the Bible (hey it's Sunday) say something about getting your own house in order before you judge others? Hmmmmmm.....
  • oldsmithie
    These next few weeks will be the test for the Bobcats, as of now, Norwayne has not faced the upper tier teams of the WCAL. The going may get a little tougher. I think the weeks of naming the score may be over. The Smithies, Falcons and Huskies will have a little more fight in them than the Bears, Chipps , Indians and Bulldogs. I still think that Norwayne wins it all and goes undefeated in the regular season, but it gets tougher starting this week.
  • wcalfan
    MOUNTAINBEAR;1289245 wrote:you are mistaken young man if you think that you are speaking to a clueless fairweather fan. I have 4 letters in football, 4 letters in wrestling, invited to the north south all-star game, two league championships and thats all for the bears. I have a personal scrap book that will not fit in your closet. I coached jr high kids that made their title game two yrs running, for the first time in 30 yrs. On a coaching staff for freshmen that made the finals for first time in 17 years. Ever known! Played on 3 of the best baseball teams wayne county has ever known. Boxed for 2 yrs. Well I probably told you to much, but I do know just alittle bit about the ins and outs of sports. So to tell a 14 or 15 year old do not throw the slant in the heat of a football game is NOT good coaching. Put your kids in a position to win, do not put your kids in a position to fail, know the abilities and the limitations of your athelets with the personal ability to motivate and even over achieve. And that is before you even get to the x's and o's. I am however going to retract the monkey in a headset comment and apoligize to coach Z, it is out of line.
    Man this is to easy...this must be a joke or something.

    This guy and this post is the "poster child" for these forums. When you have to give your credentials to justify what you say, then you know you are in trouble.

    Even though your "personal" accolades are impressive (are you even on the All-Ohio wall @ Waynedale?), the one that really takes you over the top is that you have coached junior high. Then you add in the fact that you were on the coaching "staff" for a freshman team. Wow, now I am impressed! You have never, EVER been a head coach at the high school level. Come on man, are you serious here?!?!?!?!?
  • bobcats2012
    bobcat14;1288339 wrote:Norwayne won right ?????...thats all that matters. this is not the NFL where if you get X number of yards you get X amount of money. THIS IS HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL!!!!!!!..... I dont know the Berger boy, but I would hope that he would not be worried about the amount of yards he had and be happy with a Norwayne wun!!!!!

    On to the game, didnt go last night but listened to it on the internet, sounds like we had some trouble with the run with Dalton then read in the paper they gave up almost 250 yards on the ground thats not good. Also hear that Norwayne's linemen Scruggs went out with an injury in first half and did not return. Anybody got an update on him. Going into the final 3 weeks is not a good time to lose starters.

    Sorry you couldn't make it to the game. You are correct we do need to get the 2nd and 3rd team D a little better. They shouldn't be giving Daltons 1st team 150 yards.
  • Jmar25
    Bloody, ya I guess I have been a bit of a bayless. He did ask if I had played any real sports. I just informed him of part of my background.

    As for mountain.... You're right it's awful coaching and not placing your team in a position to succeed if you tell a kid to not make a specific throw because you and your staff have identified the coverage and the teams tendency this game. That is such an awful coaching job.. I'm sure in films that he didn't explain why they wanted him to not throw it either. You should never tell your young qb to throw anything because we know reading a defense is easy for a new qb. Yup... Let him do whatever... that is putting your team in a position to succeed. You my friend are perfect for the job. You are the next keith schrock.

    Don't worry about the fact that there has been a lack of intrinsic motivation from the last couple groups. Don't worry about the fact that despite the efforts of the staff, finger pointing continues and the kids are not actively listening in and out of the classroom. Talk to the teachers... The majority of the population let things go in one ear and out the other and have lacked self discipline. Sorry...the culture has changed. Teachers and the athletic staffs are actively trying to change it. They are struggling. Additionally on the sports end... Outside of the wrestling team... Who has had success? The volleyball team has been better this year with a great group of hardworking girls who work as a team and not individuals
  • catfan
    I am a WR's dad and here's what I know. My son cares about his team and winning. He, and the other WR know they will be called on plenty from here on out. I appreciate all of the support our WR's get from the fans and the people on the OC but it's time to let the Jon Z thing go. Jon is an outstanding player and leader and is only doing what he's being asked to do. If you want to take shots at the coaches so be it. They're big boys they can handle it. I hope they're not on here reading this. Our season starts now. We play the 3 best WCAL teams on our schedule over the next 3 weeks and we have to stay focused and driven. Good luck to the boys, teh staff and my son. Go Cats!
  • real catfan
    well said catfan
  • MOUNTAINBEAR
    With egg on my face so to speak...I agree with you. The both of you are right. I apoligized for attacking the young coach. And I have been looking with blinders on, I have let the wrong information and opinions sway my own. I was wrong. Because you are right that the culture has changed, and I do hope Z and Waynedale can get this pointed in the right direction.
    Jmar25;1289292 wrote:Bloody, ya I guess I have been a bit of a bayless. He did ask if I had played any real sports. I just informed him of part of my background.

    As for mountain.... You're right it's awful coaching and not placing your team in a position to succeed if you tell a kid to not make a specific throw because you and your staff have identified the coverage and the teams tendency this game. That is such an awful coaching job.. I'm sure in films that he didn't explain why they wanted him to not throw it either. You should never tell your young qb to throw anything because we know reading a defense is easy for a new qb. Yup... Let him do whatever... that is putting your team in a position to succeed. You my friend are perfect for the job. You are the next keith schrock.

    Don't worry about the fact that there has been a lack of intrinsic motivation from the last couple groups. Don't worry about the fact that despite the efforts of the staff, finger pointing continues and the kids are not actively listening in and out of the classroom. Talk to the teachers... The majority of the population let things go in one ear and out the other and have lacked self discipline. Sorry...the culture has changed. Teachers and the athletic staffs are actively trying to change it. They are struggling. Additionally on the sports end... Outside of the wrestling team... Who has had success? The volleyball team has been better this year with a great group of hardworking girls who work as a team and not individuals
  • 1_beast
    catfan;1289298 wrote:I If you want to take shots at the coaches so be it. They're big boys they can handle it. I hope they're not on here reading this.
    Not at Waynedale.
  • 1_beast
    MOUNTAINBEAR;1289325 wrote: Because you are right that the culture has changed, and I do hope Z and Waynedale can get this pointed in the right direction.
    As do I.
  • 99bobcatdb
    catfan;1289298 wrote:I am a WR's dad and here's what I know. My son cares about his team and winning. He, and the other WR know they will be called on plenty from here on out. I appreciate all of the support our WR's get from the fans and the people on the OC but it's time to let the Jon Z thing go. Jon is an outstanding player and leader and is only doing what he's being asked to do. If you want to take shots at the coaches so be it. They're big boys they can handle it. I hope they're not on here reading this. Our season starts now. We play the 3 best WCAL teams on our schedule over the next 3 weeks and we have to stay focused and driven. Good luck to the boys, teh staff and my son. Go Cats!
    Go cats!!!
  • O-Trap
    catfan;1289298 wrote:I am a WR's dad and here's what I know. My son cares about his team and winning. He, and the other WR know they will be called on plenty from here on out. I appreciate all of the support our WR's get from the fans and the people on the OC but it's time to let the Jon Z thing go. Jon is an outstanding player and leader and is only doing what he's being asked to do. If you want to take shots at the coaches so be it. They're big boys they can handle it. I hope they're not on here reading this. Our season starts now. We play the 3 best WCAL teams on our schedule over the next 3 weeks and we have to stay focused and driven. Good luck to the boys, teh staff and my son. Go Cats!
    This was a classy post to the nines. THIS is the kind of attitude that players and parents need ... NEED ... to have in order for them to have a successful team. If your team has a proven coach ... whether tenured at your school or at others, they have SOME equation that has spelled success in the past. Let them use it in doing their job. All we can ask of the kids is to know the plays, avoid penalties, and execute whatever play is called on the field. These things take commitment, discipline, and selflessness. The Bobcats obviously have those qualities in their players, and I'm betting their fans (players' parents included) do as well.
  • Paul_1
    catfan;1289298 wrote:I am a WR's dad and here's what I know. My son cares about his team and winning. He, and the other WR know they will be called on plenty from here on out. I appreciate all of the support our WR's get from the fans and the people on the OC but it's time to let the Jon Z thing go. Jon is an outstanding player and leader and is only doing what he's being asked to do. If you want to take shots at the coaches so be it. They're big boys they can handle it. I hope they're not on here reading this. Our season starts now. We play the 3 best WCAL teams on our schedule over the next 3 weeks and we have to stay focused and driven. Good luck to the boys, teh staff and my son. Go Cats!
    Reps...
  • Paul
    catfan;1289298 wrote:I am a WR's dad and here's what I know. My son cares about his team and winning. He, and the other WR know they will be called on plenty from here on out. I appreciate all of the support our WR's get from the fans and the people on the OC but it's time to let the Jon Z thing go. Jon is an outstanding player and leader and is only doing what he's being asked to do. If you want to take shots at the coaches so be it. They're big boys they can handle it. I hope they're not on here reading this. Our season starts now. We play the 3 best WCAL teams on our schedule over the next 3 weeks and we have to stay focused and driven. Good luck to the boys, teh staff and my son. Go Cats!
    Well said Catfan I back you 100%. Jon Z is an outstanding young man who leads by example. In the class room by staying on the scholar roll. Leading on the football field as a hard working league leading player. Leads in life as an outstanding Christian young man. I checked the stats and Jon Z carried the ball on average of 14 times a game for the first five games, Don’t know about the last two games so shut up and play ball.
  • Bloody Toothbrush
    GoFalcs....
    Red Rum & Miyagi informed me that you rang the bell poorly. I believe this is why the Falcons were upended. It's all your fault.


    Jmar...
    don't get alot of opportunities to bust your chops....couldn't resist playing the Bayless card.


    Beast...
    Not hearing much from you....under the Beast name anyway:laugh:. It's like you've become a timid little wall flower.........but it's okay, it happens to alot of guys with high estrogen counts. Cut back on watching Lifetime Movie Network, cancel your subscription to Womans Day, stop getting manicures...AND MAYBE YOU'LL START TO RE-GROW A SET.


    Catfan...
    Give it up.....You're probably a nice guy and you're definitely too close to the Norwayne football team. Somebody will always be saying something that you feel is over the line. The OC is all about opinions.....foolish & wise ones.
    Consider yourself lucky that Team Buttlicky have mostly left this forum.....your request to drop a subject would have touched off a debate over everything from spanking incident cover-ups to amateur video production.
    Good luck to you, your son and the Cats.......We'll all be Cat fans about week 12.


    Jaco...
    What about Harris from Norwayne? Has the D1 size....might not be as long as you think.


    On the Playoffs...
    D4....Norwayne will get there. How far can they go? A regional title repeat?
    I am hearing Columbus Hartley is the rock everyone will break themselves on this year...any thoughts?
    BLOODYS PROJECTION: week 13 or 14 regional finals or final 4.

    oh...and Northwestern, decent chance to get in, not a threat IMO to go far. My reasoning is they have no kicking game, don't return punts and aren't well versed enough to stop the dink-dunk short passing game they are sure to eventually face.
    BLOODYS PROJECTION: week 11 defeat....2013 will be their year.


    D5...Hillsdale, another pretty good shot at the show. A dry field and Mager being able to get the corner will dictate their fortunes.
    BLOODYS PROJECTION: week 11 defeat....opponent will force them to pass.

    disclaimer: NWN & HILL are good teams....making the playoffs is a great honor. no disrespect intended because I think they'll both lose early if they qualify.
    NOR is a really good team, once again, no disrespect intended....I just have a feeling Hartley is a great team that will be able to get QB pressure while covering 4 or 5 receivers.

    and finally....all projections and opinions are subject to change in case I'm wrong:D
  • Go Falcons
    Bloody Toothbrush;1289792 wrote:GoFalcs....
    Red Rum & Miyagi informed me that you rang the bell poorly. I believe this is why the Falcons were upended. It's all your fault.
    Wish it was that easy and I had that power.

    Bloody Toothbrush;1289792 wrote:D5...Hillsdale, another pretty good shot at the show. A dry field and Mager being able to get the corner will dictate their fortunes.
    BLOODYS PROJECTION: week 11 defeat....opponent will force them to pass.

    disclaimer: NWN & HILL are good teams....making the playoffs is a great honor. no disrespect intended because I think they'll both lose early if they qualify.
    NOR is a really good team, once again, no disrespect intended....I just have a feeling Hartley is a great team that will be able to get QB pressure while covering 4 or 5 receivers.

    and finally....all projections and opinions are subject to change in case I'm wrong:D
    Really got to agree with this!
  • dhs22p
    oldsmithie;1289258 wrote:These next few weeks will be the test for the Bobcats, as of now, Norwayne has not faced the upper tier teams of the WCAL. The going may get a little tougher. I think the weeks of naming the score may be over. The Smithies, Falcons and Huskies will have a little more fight in them than the Bears, Chipps , Indians and Bulldogs. I still think that Norwayne wins it all and goes undefeated in the regular season, but it gets tougher starting this week.
    I actually think the Bulldogs will have plenty of fight left in them. All of our losses could end up being playoff teams. Dogs hopefully will beat the Chipps and the Bears. Then I think it will set up an interesting match up between the Dogs and the Smithies.
  • O-Trap
    Go Falcons;1288343 wrote:Were have you been? There has been a week ten championship game the last two years!
    Eh, last year, it wasn't a game for all the marbles. Hillsdale lost and still shared the championship.

    I'm talking a battle of the unbeatens! :D
  • Go Falcons
    O-Trap;1288321 wrote:Eh, I gave them the edge, too. Congratulations to the Huskies! Thut's boys are really showing what they can do.

    Perhaps this year we might ACTUALLY have a Week 10 showdown for the conference championship!
    O-Trap;1289844 wrote:Eh, last year, it wasn't a game for all the marbles. Hillsdale lost and still shared the championship.

    I'm talking a battle of the unbeatens! :D
    If that is your criteria then that game happened the year before Norwayne at Hillsdale. However had Hillsdale won last year they would have been stand alone champion.

    If your idea of a championship game is not were the looser shares the championship then are you saying that a shared championship is not a championship? Because Smithville has a bunch of shares.:confused:
  • O-Trap
    Go Falcons;1289867 wrote:If that is your criteria then that game happened the year before Norwayne at Hillsdale. However had Hillsdale won last year they would have been stand alone champion.

    If your idea of a championship game is not were the looser shares the championship then are you saying that a shared championship is not a championship? Because Smithville has a bunch of shares.:confused:
    In a sense, I'm saying whoever wins is champ, and whoever loses is not. It's less climactic when one team knows they're going to be a champion no matter what happens in that game. That's all I meant.