Is it time for private schools to have theyre own playoffs in football

• Con_Alma

  Not all private schools have academic admittance requirements nor do public schools.
• fish82

  

  tsst_fballfan;576178 wrote:Since there are no state controlled standards or accountability for privates admittance and enrollment, specific examples could only be given by the private school. I'm sure that will happen. Though there have been recent star athletes at privates that after graduating could not score high enough on an ACT to get into college, or could not even graduate high school. Go figure though they sure could help win state championships.
  
  Though every once and awhile one gets caught, even this year.

  You'll of course have no problem producing a list of them. Ready...go.
• fish82

  

  skank;575304 wrote:My goodness you are slow, You think....that I think, that EC is the only school doing this? Trust me, Iggy, Edward, Benedictine, so on and so forth, have perfected this act.

  
  As obviously Davidson, Steubenville, Coldwater, Marion Local, Colerain, McKinley, Massillon, Avon Lake have as well, huh? :rolleyes:
• fish82

  

  tsst_fballfan;576171 wrote:Again with the name calling does that help when you have no substance to your posts?
  
  Incorrect fish. It is absolutely factual. The publics factually have an assigned district and privates don't. The publics factually have to take any and all students in their assigned district per state law. The publics factually cannot select only the students that will benefit their school. The privates factually can rebuff any student they choose with no recourse from the state. The privates can factually offer tuition assistance to any student they wish with no control from the state. The privates can factually turn away any student that may compromise their high academic standards. The publics factually must accept even the worst students in their district by state law.

  Can they? Yeah, I suppose. I'm still waiting for you people to produce some proof that it actually happens consistently.
• tsst_fballfan

  

  fish82;576137 wrote:So you people want to bend 25 schools over the couch and stick it to them because 3 schools have won some titles. Farking brilliant. :rolleyes:

  Actually Sykotyk had some decent ideas. Most of us realize the state is not going to change the guidelines or even attempt to impose guidelines for private schools. And most realize the OHSAA is very nonreactive until a situation is at crisis status.
  
  Your infantile posts like this, that barely rate as a simple strawman, do nothing to prove your side of the debate. Basically so I understands your position either you are incognizant of the fact that there are different state standards for admittance and enrollment or you just chose to ignore that fact. And your position when it comes to those inequities is shut up and play. Got it. Note to self: don't waste time in discussion with a fish!
• Thinthickbigred

  @fish82^^^^^^ You always try to cloud things up with falsehoods ..Its your best defense..You have an outlaw program ...
• tsst_fballfan

  

  fish82;576184 wrote:You'll of course have no problem producing a list of them. Ready...go.

  No I won't. But feel free to Google Fork Union Military Academy, Kiski School or Harmony Community School and Ursuline.
• skank

  

  Is it a coincidence that the year Iggy finally isn't even good enough to make the playoffs, St Edward has an unbelieveable team? I guess 5-6 years ago St. Ed made the better presentation at the combine.
• Thinthickbigred

  ^^^^^ A street smart person would say that is no coincidence...........
• genghis dong

  Man if Mentor Lake was smart they would have brought in skank for the MH pregame pep talk. I could hear it now.
  skank: " You can't beat them they have an unfair advantage. They hold combines for 8th graders. You guys shoulld all transfer to Massillion."
  MH kids:" Is Massillion still around? Have they ever won a title?"
  Skank:"Yes 22 AP titles. Tell all your dads that Massillion can give them a job if you transfer there."
  MHkids:" AP titles?"
  Skank:" Yes AP titles?"
  MHkids:" You know those don't really count right?"
  Skank:" We would've had a real one if not for the unfair advantage of the private schools."
• fish82

  

  tsst_fballfan;576201 wrote:Actually Sykotyk had some decent ideas. Most of us realize the state is not going to change the guidelines or even attempt to impose guidelines for private schools. And most realize the OHSAA is very nonreactive until a situation is at crisis status.
  
  Your infantile posts like this, that barely rate as a simple strawman, do nothing to prove your side of the debate. Basically so I understands your position either you are incognizant of the fact that there are different state standards for admittance and enrollment or you just chose to ignore that fact. And your position when it comes to those inequities is shut up and play. Got it. Note to self: don't waste time in discussion with a fish!

  
  
  How is it a strawman? The #1 request to "fix" the problem is a multiplier, which will do exactly what I said in my post. Perhaps you should look up the definition of "strawman" again.Many public schools agree with my position, and have "shut up and played" against the privates with a large degree of success.
• redstreak one

  

  ^^^^^ So you are agreeing that there is an advantage for privates and that we should just shut up and suck it up like a percentage of others have? Nah, wouldnt be any fun.
• sherm03

  

  There are advantages on both sides of the coin here. Private schools do not have to accept a student that comes to their door. But they also rely entirely on tuition, fund raisers, and a small amount of public funding (only for buses, admin costs, and auxiliary services) to help keep the school running.
  
  Public schools get all of their funding through the state and taxes. So a school district that passes their tax levies is going to have more money available to pay a good coach, provide better equipment, etc. That's a pretty big advantage over an area that doesn't pass tax levies.
  
  So if you're all about leveling things out in the name of football...then we should also be collecting all the property tax across the state, and then dividing it equally among all the schools. Afterall, we wouldn't want one district to have more money and have an unfair advantage over another one, right?
• Be Nice

  ^^^talk about grasping for straws. lol The ole' tax excuse for providing better coaches and equipment? Equipment? lol Anything elses you want to include? lol Sorry, sherm. Many of you Catholics don't like the word recruit. Plain and simple that is what many Catholic schools do when it comes to sports. They play the system. Some call it cheating.
• sherm03

  

  I'm not grasping at straws. Look at my posts on this thread. I've shown time and time again that in the smaller divisions, public schools generally do very well. Likewise, the 4 private schools in those lower divisions that people complain the most about have exactly 1 state championship more combined than the 4 public schools that generally dominate the division. I've said numerous times that I don't care what they do with the playoffs, even though I personally think it would be dumb to separate them.
  
  But the point still remains. If we want everything to be nice and even and eliminate any advantage...then taxes and school funding are a big part of that. Schools that get more tax money have better facilities, better training rooms, better coaches, etc. That's not an advantage over a poor district that doesn't have that nice weight room?
  
  If you're going to support one point of view based on the blanket idea that private schools have unfair advantages based on not having to take everyone...then you should support the fact that schools with more tax revenue have an unfair advantage over districts in poorer areas.
• 4cards

  

  Be Nice;576912 wrote:^^^talk about grasping for straws. lol The ole' tax excuse for providing better coaches and equipment? Equipment? lol Anything elses you want to include? lol Sorry, sherm. Many of you Catholics don't like the word recruit. Plain and simple that is what many Catholic schools do when it comes to sports. They play the system. Some call it cheating.

  Some public schools "play the system" through open enrollment so the playing field is not even level at the public school level. Some public schools call this cheating as well when kids from their district go to an "open enrollment' school even from adjacent states. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but I've read the posts from the districts that have been raided. If the OHSAA wants to separate the private schools from the public, then the open enrollment schools would have to be lumped in witht he privates.
• skank

  

  genghis dong;576779 wrote:Man if Mentor Lake was smart they would have brought in skank for the MH pregame pep talk. I could hear it now.
  skank: " You can't beat them they have an unfair advantage. They hold combines for 8th graders. You guys shoulld all transfer to Massillion."
  MH kids:" Is Massillion still around? Have they ever won a title?"Skank:"Yes 22 AP titles. Tell all your dads that Massillion can give them a job if you transfer there."
  MHkids:" AP titles?"
  Skank:" Yes AP titles?"
  MHkids:" You know those don't really count right?"
  Skank:" We would've had a real one if not for the unfair advantage of the private schools."

  
  RED= If I was an 8th grader who was 6'3" 220 lbs and ran a 4.4 40....they would have tried to "bring in skank".
  PURPLE= You mean I would have simply told the truth?
  GREEN= You spelled it wrong. And since you did it three (3) times, I will assume your private school ed, has failed you.
  YELLOW= Of course we haven't, everyone knows football started in Ohio in 1972.
  TURQUOISE=I see you tell the truth now and then also.
• sherm03

  

  OK...let's separate the playoffs based on all the advantages that schools may have over another...
  
  So we separate privates and publics. Then we further divide the publics into OE and non-OE.
  Then we separate the rich school districts from the poor ones, because that extra money gives some schools a better advantage over the poor ones.
  Schools that have a good following and sell out all of their homes games have a big advantage over teams that can't fill the stadium...so we need to separate all the schools based on attendance at their games.
  Some teams play on turf at their home field. That would give them a big advantage come playoff time when all of the games are on turf. Can't let them have that advantage.
  
  Then we can have 50+ state champions every year. It will be great for kids to hear the stories about how grandpa went 2-8 in his senior year of high school, but since there were only 4 teams in his division went into the playoffs and strung together 2 wins to capture the Division 5 Non-Open Enrollment-Poor District-Strong Attendance-Natural Grass-State Championship! While we're at it...we can just get rid of the state championship trophy altogether and replace it with a nice big blue ribbon (but the losing team has to get one too...we wouldn't want them to feel bad).
• skank

  

  I love these parochial school trying to rationalize their advantage....Just love it.
• sherm03

  

  skank;577208 wrote:I love these parochial school trying to rationalize their advantage....Just love it.

  
  So you're saying it's NOT advantageous for a school to have more money either through tax revenue or gates at the game? That doesn't help them out at all? That won't help them get better coaches, better equipment, better facilities, better weight rooms? So Canfield and Chaney are both on level playing fields just because they are non-open enrollment division 2 public schools?
  
  Cool...thanks for clearing that up.
• redstreak one

  

  Sherm, does the state put a cap on how much tuition, donations, or amount of money a private can raise?
• Be Nice

  sherm keeps talking about "better equipment". lol lol lol Does he really think public schools have better equipment? lol lol lol
  
  sherm, I've yet to see a Catholic team wearing leather helmets.
• skank

  

  sherm03;577223 wrote:So you're saying it's NOT advantageous for a school to have more money either through tax revenue or gates at the game? That doesn't help them out at all? That won't help them get better coaches, better equipment, better facilities, better weight rooms? So Canfield and Chaney are both on level playing fields just because they are non-open enrollment division 2 public schools?
  
  Cool...thanks for clearing that up.

  
  Oh, and in case you haven't heard....It's also an advantage for schools to have no boundries as to who they bring in and offer athle....er, I mean academic scholarships to.
• skank

  

  Be Nice;577338 wrote:sherm keeps talking about "better equipment". lol lol lol Does he really think public schools have better equipment? lol lol lol
  
  sherm, I've yet to see a Catholic team wearing leather helmets.

  
  Our boy sherman is grasping, just....grasping.
• sherm03

  

  Be Nice;577338 wrote:sherm keeps talking about "better equipment". lol lol lol Does he really think public schools have better equipment? lol lol lol
  
  sherm, I've yet to see a Catholic team wearing leather helmets.

  
  I'm not saying it's a public advantage over a private school. I'm saying that schools in richer areas would have an advantage over schools in poorer areas (as in the case of Canfield and Chaney...two public schools). You think a public school with a nice weight room and training equipment does not have an advantage over a poor school that doesn't have that EQUIPMENT?!