Titans at Browns in game thread
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BR1986FB
Well that's the problem. There's no Wentz because there is a Sashi Brown and Jimmy Haslam (he hired him).vball10set;1878546 wrote:It cracks me up when people on here continue to think that just because a QB plays well elsewhere that he'd play just as well here. Kizer may not be the answer, but I'll bet if he was on another team and doing well, these same people would be on here bitching that we missed on him too. As long as Haslam and the FO remain status quo, things will continue to suck. Period.
I'm very skeptical that Kizer would be thriving in another situation. He has the physical tools that coaches fall in love with but, I'll say it again, you can't teach accuracy. There's "bad" because you're a learning rookie and there's "you flat out suck", which looks like the case with Kizer. When your QBR is lower than historic busts like Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russell, you suck. Even a blind squirrel is going to be able to find a nut and be better than those guys. They are the poster boys for sucktitude. -
kizer permanente
What aren't you understanding lol? He's played his best games this year ... meaning he's played a lot better this year than last. Who said anything about the future. God your reading comprehension is lacking.SportsAndLady;1878539 wrote:You can see into the future? He’s already had his best games this year?
Isn’t everyone prediction success just going off hope? I mean obviously we couldn’t be 100% confident that he was going to be good.
He’s erasing “some” doubt? Haha
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kizer permanente
??? that was my point, BR. Take some time to read it again. It's hard to judge rookie Qb's. JFC.BR1986FB;1878540 wrote:He was a friggin' ROOKIE. Browns fans would be pissing down their legs if Kizer was playing like this. -
SportsAndLady
How can you have pst performance for a rookie QB? Lol. Predicting success as an nfl qb for a rookie is ALL about hope and simply guessing.kizer permanente;1878550 wrote:What aren't you understanding lol? He's played his best games this year ... meaning he's played a lot better this year than last. Who said anything about the future. God your reading comprehension is lacking.
No most people predictions are off past performances, not hope.
And my bad, I read that as his best games were behind him. -
Commander of Awesome
Watching Kizer try to play QB is like watching a 1st grader try and solve a calculus equation. He's sooooo painfully slow and inaccurate. His lefty option toss to Crow reminded me Weeden's flipper play. SMFH -
kizer permanente
B/c you're judging how well they do typical things you ask of a qb. How well do they move inside the pocket. how well do they keep their eyes up. How quick are they on the read. How often do they make the right/wrong read. That's what analysts are making predictions off of. Not I like this guy, I hope he does well.SportsAndLady;1878553 wrote:How can you have pst performance for a rookie QB? Lol. Predicting success as an nfl qb for a rookie is ALL about hope and simply guessing.
And my bad, I read that as his best games were behind him. -
SportsAndLady
Omg, this has gotta be the dumbest fucking thought process of all time. WHY do Browns fans continue to say this?vball10set;1878546 wrote:It cracks me up when people on here continue to think that just because a QB plays well elsewhere that he'd play just as well here. Kizer may not be the answer, but I'll bet if he was on another team and doing well, these same people would be on here bitching that we missed on him too. As long as Haslam and the FO remain status quo, things will continue to suck. Period.
Wentz had 4 TDs last night, and their starting RB had like 2 yards rushing up until their final drive. His TE Wentz has looked like a superstar, when he previously looked like an average TE. He’s throwing it to Nelson agholar who philly fans practically gave up on. And the remains of alshon Jeffrey.
The talent around the QB doesn’t make the QB look good. The talented QB makes the talent around him look talented. Period. There’s no fucking debate. -
SportsAndLady
Well, right. That’s why you could watch Wentz last year and predict he’d be a good qb. ?? What are you trying to say?kizer permanente;1878555 wrote:B/c you're judging how well they do typical things you ask of a qb. How well do they move inside the pocket. how well do they keep their eyes up. How quick are they on the read. How often do they make the right/wrong read. That's what analysts are making predictions off of. Not I like this guy, I hope he does well. -
SportsAndLady
He’s awful. Just awful. Anyone who says kizer would look good on another team with talent around him is either a ND fan or a Toledo resident.Commander of Awesome;1878554 wrote:Watching Kizer try to play QB is like watching a 1st grader try and solve a calculus equation. He's sooooo painfully slow and inaccurate. His lefty option toss to Crow reminded me Weeden's flipper play. SMFH -
BR1986FB
I was on the "don't draft Watson" bandwagon but even he would make this offense much better. Said it before, will say it again....you're pissing in the wind until you get that franchise guy. That's why I've been of the belief, 'draft your franchise guy, then build around him" not vice versa.SportsAndLady;1878556 wrote:Omg, this has gotta be the dumbest fucking thought process of all time. WHY do Browns fans continue to say this?
Wentz had 4 TDs last night, and their starting RB had like 2 yards rushing up until their final drive. His TE Wentz has looked like a superstar, when he previously looked like an average TE. He’s throwing it to Nelson agholar who philly fans practically gave up on. And the remains of alshon Jeffrey.
The talent around the QB doesn’t make the QB look good. The talented QB makes the talent around him look talented. Period. There’s no fucking debate. -
SportsAndLady
Me too. That’s why I said draft a QB with your first pick in every draft until you find your franchise QB. I took a lot of flack for that, but if we did that we’d have a franchise qb on this team and not some of the trash that’s out there.BR1986FB;1878560 wrote:I was on the "don't draft Watson" bandwagon but even he would make this offense much better. Said it before, will say it again....you're pissing in the wind until you get that franchise guy. That's why I've been of the belief, 'draft your franchise guy, then build around him" not vice versa. -
kizer permanente
I'm saying if you watched him last year, it gave you some pause. He gave no indication last year he was going to even have the year he's having now. That's all. And, again. it's not always wise to judge rookie qb's for this reason.SportsAndLady;1878558 wrote:Well, right. That’s why you could watch Wentz last year and predict he’d be a good qb. ?? What are you trying to say? -
SportsAndLady
But then how do you explain myself and thousands of others who actually did predict he’d be good?!kizer permanente;1878563 wrote:I'm saying if you watched him last year, it gave you some pause. He gave no indication last year he was going to even have the year he's having now. That's all. And, again. it's not always wise to judge rookie qb's for this reason. -
kizer permanente
Same way I'd explain you and thousands oh people are usually wrong. It's a guess. You got a 50/50 shot.SportsAndLady;1878564 wrote:But then how do you explain myself and thousands of others who actually did predict he’d be good?! -
SportsAndLady
kizer permanente;1878550 wrote:.
No most people predictions are off past performances, not hope.
Is it past performances or is it just hope/a guess?kizer permanente;1878565 wrote:Same way I'd explain you and thousands oh people are usually wrong. It's a guess. You got a 50/50 shot. -
BR1986FBIn the "water is wet" category, MKC saying 'I wouldn't put the QB (drafting) responsibilities in this front offices hands." No shit.
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Crimson streak
Everything that is lost in the wentz talk is how well Goff is playing too. I would kill to have either of them on this team. I'm starting to get with you S&L just take a qb with the top pick every year. It will eventually work lol
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kizer permanente
I don't think the two are mutually exclusive, but the point I'm making is if you thought he was going to be great (which you say you did) off his body of work last year, then I'm going to question what exactly you saw. B/c he didn't have a great year. Granted it was 10 times better than what Kizer is having, but it wasnt a great year.SportsAndLady;1878569 wrote:Is it past performances or is it just hope/a guess? -
BoatShoes
I agree. I believed in Kizer and giving him a chance but I think the baseline is now there to have an idea he doesn't have it.BR1986FB;1878549 wrote:Well that's the problem. There's no Wentz because there is a Sashi Brown and Jimmy Haslam (he hired him).
I'm very skeptical that Kizer would be thriving in another situation. He has the physical tools that coaches fall in love with but, I'll say it again, you can't teach accuracy. There's "bad" because you're a learning rookie and there's "you flat out suck", which looks like the case with Kizer. When your QBR is lower than historic busts like Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russell, you suck. Even a blind squirrel is going to be able to find a nut and be better than those guys. They are the poster boys for sucktitude. -
BoatShoes
The play where the corner was able to cover both receivers in a basic curl/flat type pass play and Kizer was so slow in making the read and three a pick was enough for me. Add in that the safety was flying all the way down and might've picked it too.Commander of Awesome;1878554 wrote:Watching Kizer try to play QB is like watching a 1st grader try and solve a calculus equation. He's sooooo painfully slow and inaccurate. His lefty option toss to Crow reminded me Weeden's flipper play. SMFH -
BoatShoes
Me too. I mean really Tim Couch - our number one overall "bust" has still been our best qb since 99Crimson streak;1878575 wrote:Everything that is lost in the wentz talk is how well Goff is playing too. I would kill to have either of them on this team. I'm starting to get with you S&L just take a qb with the top pick every year. It will eventually work lol
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SportsAndLady
I guess I can’t really explain what I saw. I posted on here multiple times that he’s going to be a stud after watching his games. He just seemed to have “it” and the rookie mistakes he made weren’t kizer mistakes that could be corrected with more experience.kizer permanente;1878576 wrote:I don't think the two are mutually exclusive, but the point I'm making is if you thought he was going to be great (which you say you did) off his body of work last year, then I'm going to question what exactly you saw. B/c he didn't have a great year. Granted it was 10 times better than what Kizer is having, but it wasnt a great year.
Again, I’m not a talent evaluation god. I don’t know shit about what mechanics and technical aspects to look for in a QB. I just know that I could watch philly games last year and see that Wentz was going to be good. -
SportsAndLady
I honestly don’t think it’s that crazy of an approach to take.Crimson streak;1878575 wrote:Everything that is lost in the wentz talk is how well Goff is playing too. I would kill to have either of them on this team. I'm starting to get with you S&L just take a qb with the top pick every year. It will eventually work lol
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Look at all the promise the teams with young franchise QBs have..sure, some have talent around the QB. But the promise is there because of the QB. Why not spend your valuable draft picks on that position until you hit one?
Because the alternative is keep drafting DEs and WRs and hope and pray one of our late first-to-third rounders pans out. That ain’t happening. -
Commander of Awesome
Hue also has routes where WRs are occupying the same area WAAY too much for my liking. Makes them much easier to defend. On top of that, he refuses to get our playmakers (TEs) involved at all. How in the fuck does Njoku only play 30% of snaps when you're marching bums like Britt out there? He needs a real OC.BoatShoes;1878578 wrote:The play where the corner was able to cover both receivers in a basic curl/flat type pass play and Kizer was so slow in making the read and three a pick was enough for me. Add in that the safety was flying all the way down and might've picked it too. -
BR1986FB
I'll go back to a comment I made a few weeks ago. On that first pick Kizer threw, they were getting down close to the red zone and my first thought was not "how are they going to score" as much as "how is Kizer going to blow this" and, of course, he throws the pick.BoatShoes;1878578 wrote:The play where the corner was able to cover both receivers in a basic curl/flat type pass play and Kizer was so slow in making the read and three a pick was enough for me. Add in that the safety was flying all the way down and might've picked it too.