NBA Champion - Cleveland Cavaliers 2016-2017 Season Thread

• Laley23

  

  The most frustrating portion of last night was when Love went to the bench, end of 1st/start of 2nd. Warriors missed a decent amount and Cavs were right there score wise, but couldn't get a defensive board without Love in the game. Warriors hit 2 3s and had a lay-up in that stretch (maybe more) after solid defense by Cavs, but couldn't secure rebound. Love comes back in, but down 11, and Cavs never really got back in it.
• vball10set

  BR1986FB;1856204 wrote:I know he's a pain in the ass, and it's annoying, but he's not wrong.

  no one else on here is wrong either, so all that leaves us is "he's a pain in the ass, and annoying"...nuff said
• BR1986FB

  The internet is savage...
  
  
• SportsAndLady

  

  BR1986FB;1856199 wrote:.
  
  Laley's comments about the Warriors not playing that well is spot on. Yeah, they only had 4 TO's but they missed a lot of open looks that they normally wouldn't.
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  I think what you guys are saying is that the game could have been a lot worse. The warriors had 31 assists and 4 turnovers, and played lock down defense. They didn't play bad lol.
• like_that

  

  BR1986FB;1856214 wrote:GSW'S won Game 1 & 6 in 2015 by 8 points.

  Game 6 was pretty much a blow out. Until garbage time the cavs never brought the game under 10 points.
• sleeper

  

  BR1986FB;1856199 wrote:Part of the issue with TT can be blamed on Ty Lue's defensive scheme. Seriously, WTF is Thompson doing guarding the 1-3 up top? There's probably not a point guard in the league that can blow right by him. Plus, they were putting two guys on TT, trying to take away the offensive boards. Probably part of the reason that Love had so many rebounds.
  
  Laley's comments about the Warriors not playing that well is spot on. Yeah, they only had 4 TO's but they missed a lot of open looks that they normally wouldn't.
  
  Mike Brown, it seems, had a game plan to constantly feed KD and get his confidence up going forward.
  
  At this point, I'm not in panic mode as Lebron teams are 1-7 in Game 1 Final's appearances. His teams seem to take a "feeling out" approach to these games. With that being said, if they don't fix some shit QUICKLY, they could be down 0-2 very quickly and then I will be in panic mode, expecting a Warriors sweep.

  They were down 2-0 last year and everyone was predicting a sweep.
  
  The Cavs played HORRIBLE last night but it remains to be seen if this is the rule or the exception to the rule. I don't believe the Warriors are THAT much better than the Cavs. The Cavs role players need to hit their shots and Lebron can't have 8 turnovers again. We also can't let them play their run and gun style of offenses, which was caused primarily by having so many turnovers. I expect Game 2 will be much closer and potentially winnable.
• sleeper

  

  Laley23;1856215 wrote:The most frustrating portion of last night was when Love went to the bench, end of 1st/start of 2nd. Warriors missed a decent amount and Cavs were right there score wise, but couldn't get a defensive board without Love in the game. Warriors hit 2 3s and had a lay-up in that stretch (maybe more) after solid defense by Cavs, but couldn't secure rebound. Love comes back in, but down 11, and Cavs never really got back in it.

  Love is playing well, Kyrie is playing well, Lebron played well minus the turnovers(EIGHT!). TT was shit, Korver = shit(20 minutes 0 points), Deron = shit, (19 minutes 0 points), JR = shit(23 minutes, 3 points). The reality is the Cavs had an awful game outside of the core and even Lebron had some blemishes. It remains to be seen if this will continue in the series(I doubt it).
• like_that

  

  BR1986FB;1856212 wrote:Last year, my mindset was 'Cavs have to get a title THIS year because their window will be closing and they may not get another one.' I think they could bounce back and win this series but, if they don't, I don't think we'll see another ring in Cleveland during Lebron's tenure unless they reshape the roster and bring in another legit superstar (which I don't see, because there aren't many). That's why I've had the "bask in the enjoyment of this title" mindset because it may be the only one I see in my lifetime.

  This is a bit of an overreaction after a game 1 loss, especially when you consider how weak the East is.
  

  SportsAndLady;1856218 wrote:I think what you guys are saying is that the game could have been a lot worse. The warriors had 31 assists and 4 turnovers, and played lock down defense. They didn't play bad lol.

  They definitely didn't play poorly, but they also didn't play their best.
• BR1986FB

  sleeper;1856220 wrote:They were down 2-0 last year and everyone was predicting a sweep.
  
  The Cavs played HORRIBLE last night but it remains to be seen if this is the rule or the exception to the rule. I don't believe the Warriors are THAT much better than the Cavs. The Cavs role players need to hit their shots and Lebron can't have 8 turnovers again. We also can't let them play their run and gun style of offenses, which was caused primarily by having so many turnovers. I expect Game 2 will be much closer and potentially winnable.

  Don't care. If they go down 2-0 this year, they will NOT beat GS in 4 of the next 5. As you used to say....you can take that to the bank.
• like_that

  

  sleeper;1856221 wrote:Love is playing well, Kyrie is playing well, Lebron played well minus the turnovers(EIGHT!). TT was shit, Korver = shit(20 minutes 0 points), Deron = shit, (19 minutes 0 points), JR = shit(23 minutes, 3 points). The reality is the Cavs had an awful game outside of the core and even Lebron had some blemishes. It remains to be seen if this will continue in the series(I doubt it).

  I wouldn't consider lebron's game last night as playing well. Whenever he turns the ball over that much, it affects the team greatly. It might not be fair to hold Lebron to those standards, but he has raised the bar and 8 turnovers is unacceptable, especially with the amount of time he has the ball every game.
• BR1986FB

  like_that;1856223 wrote:This is a bit of an overreaction after a game 1 loss, especially when you consider how weak the East is.

  Not really. I didn't say they wouldn't make it to the Finals. If Golden State keeps KD and their core, I don't see the Cavs beating them in the future. Sometimes I think some Cavs fans think Lebron is going to beat Father Time. He won't. He's still playing at a high level but he's not going to keep improving as he gets older.
• Laley23

  

  LeBron and Kyrie also played horrendous defense. But yeah, what was a strength for the last few months (bench) was awful last night.
• like_that

  

  BR1986FB;1856227 wrote:Not really. I didn't say they wouldn't make it to the Finals. If Golden State keeps KD and their core, I don't see the Cavs beating them in the future. Sometimes I think some Cavs fans think Lebron is going to beat Father Time. He won't. He's still playing at a high level but he's not going to keep improving as he gets older.

  Yes, really. He won't beat father time, but he is still playing at the highest level and Kyrie is a superstar in the making. When it becomes Kyrie's team, I don't think Lebron being the #2 option is a crazy thought. It's one game, the whole landscape of the NBA isn't changing from one game or this entire series. I remember years ago everyone said the Thunder would be the class of the NBA, or the heat would go on to win 5 titles. The only real constant has been Lebron in the finals.
• sleeper

  

  like_that;1856226 wrote:I wouldn't consider lebron's game last night as playing well. Whenever he turns the ball over that much, it affects the team greatly. It might not be fair to hold Lebron to those standards, but he has raised the bar and 8 turnovers is unacceptable, especially with the amount of time he has the ball every game.

  Agreed on the 8 turnovers. Absolutely unacceptable. However it would help if some of the role players hit their shots or contributed meaningfully to the game.
• sleeper

  

  BR1986FB;1856225 wrote:Don't care. If they go down 2-0 this year, they will NOT beat GS in 4 of the next 5. As you used to say....you can take that to the bank.

  I'm not betting against Lebron James even if he goes down 3-0. I probably wouldn't even consider betting against Lebron James if they go down 4-0.
  
  I don't bet against Lebron James. Period.
• BR1986FB

  like_that;1856233 wrote:Yes, really. He won't beat father time, but he is still playing at the highest level and Kyrie is a superstar in the making. When it becomes Kyrie's team, I don't think Lebron being the #2 option is a crazy thought. It's one game, the whole landscape of the NBA isn't changing from one game or this entire series. I remember years ago everyone said the Thunder would be the class of the NBA, or the heat would go on to win 5 titles. The only real constant has been Lebron in the finals.

  Time will tell but I'll go on record that if they don't get a ring this year, Lebron won't win another in Cleveland (unless there's a major lineup overhaul).
• SportsAndLady

  

  BR1986FB;1856236 wrote:Time will tell but I'll go on record that if they don't get a ring this year, Lebron won't win another in Cleveland (unless there's a major lineup overhaul).

  lol overreact much?!
• friendfromlowry

  like_that;1856233 wrote:Yes, really. He won't beat father time, but he is still playing at the highest level and Kyrie is a superstar in the making. When it becomes Kyrie's team, I don't think Lebron being the #2 option is a crazy thought. It's one game, the whole landscape of the NBA isn't changing from one game or this entire series. I remember years ago everyone said the Thunder would be the class of the NBA, or the heat would go on to win 5 titles. The only real constant has been Lebron in the finals.

  BR1986FB;1856236 wrote:Time will tell but I'll go on record that if they don't get a ring this year, Lebron won't win another in Cleveland (unless there's a major lineup overhaul).

  Also, and this is a discussion for another day, but I'll believe Curry resigns with Golden State when he does. I think he will (unfortunately) and would be crazy not to, but I just wonder if he'd consider going elsewhere.
• sleeper

  

  BR1986FB;1856236 wrote:Time will tell but I'll go on record that if they don't get a ring this year, Lebron won't win another in Cleveland (unless there's a major lineup overhaul).

  I think he wins 2 of the next 4 years. After 36 I think we will see some decline in his abilities.
  
  There's no guarantee the Warriors are going to be this good year over year. They may be able to keep Durant/Curry/Green/Thompson for the next 3-4 years but their bench is going to continue to get worse. Iguodala and Livingston are their "big ticket" bench players and there's no guarantee they re-sign with the Warriors in the off season. There's also no guarantee that these players will continue to be solid bench players.
  
  That's where the Cavs have a massive advantage. Vets are more willing to take vet mins to ring chase on a team with Lebron than any other team in the league and that's why our bench is so solid despite being maxed out on salary cap. God forbid at some point the Warriors have to deal with injuries but at this point I think you are being a little too dramatic and pessimistic about the Cavs chances now and in the future.
• sleeper

  

  SportsAndLady;1856238 wrote:lol overreact much?!

  Or in summary, this.
• sleeper

  

  friendfromlowry;1856239 wrote:Also, and this is a discussion for another day, but I'll believe Curry resigns with Golden State when he does. I think he will (unfortunately) and would be crazy not to, but I just wonder if he'd consider going elsewhere.

  No chance Curry leaves the Warriors. Durant isn't a guaranteed re-sign either because he said the same shit about the OKC Thunder and left them. Durant is purely ring chasing at this point to get that monkey off his back so if the Warriors win one of the next 2 years, I could see him pulling an LBJ and returning to OKC.
• BR1986FB

  SportsAndLady;1856238 wrote:lol overreact much?!

  I said it prior to last years Finals and will continue to believe it, so it's not an "overreaction" to one game.
  
  Some of you guys think Lebron's just going to keep playing at a higher & higher level but he's not getting any younger. If they don't win this year and don't make any major changes, while KD resigns with GS, keeping their core intact, I don't see the Cavs beating them going forward unless GS gets complacent and bored winning rings. I
  
  n case you haven't noticed, outside of Kyrie & Love, the Cavs are a pretty old team so they don't have the window a team like GS has.
• sleeper

  

  BR1986FB;1856244 wrote:I said it prior to last years Finals and will continue to believe it, so it's not an "overreaction" to one game.
  
  Some of you guys think Lebron's just going to keep playing at a higher & higher level but he's not getting any younger. If they don't win this year and don't make any major changes, while KD resigns with GS, keeping their core intact, I don't see the Cavs beating them going forward unless GS gets complacent and bored winning rings. I
  
  n case you haven't noticed, outside of Kyrie & Love, the Cavs are a pretty old team so they don't have the window a team like GS has.

  Well eventually you will be right then I suppose.
  
  TT is also young, so outside of 3 core players, 1 less than the Warriors, the Cavs are an old team. Warriors are also old outside of their core 4.
  
  You are overreacting.
• like_that

  

  BR1986FB;1856244 wrote:I said it prior to last years Finals and will continue to believe it, so it's not an "overreaction" to one game.
  
  Some of you guys think Lebron's just going to keep playing at a higher & higher level but he's not getting any younger. If they don't win this year and don't make any major changes, while KD resigns with GS, keeping their core intact, I don't see the Cavs beating them going forward unless GS gets complacent and bored winning rings. I
  
  n case you haven't noticed, outside of Kyrie & Love, the Cavs are a pretty old team so they don't have the window a team like GS has.

  So you thought last year was Lebrons last chance to win a title and now you think this year is?
• Commander of Awesome

  

  Horrible game last night, LBJ played horrendous def, Curry got got and we have no one to guard KD. We can definitely play better and I expect us to. I'm not sure we win game 2, but I think we can def win game 3&4. If we lose game 3, I'll say series is over.