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big_hits24

Trade DA and a pick for Boldin...I saw on ESPN this morning the Cardinals are seriously looking to deal him. Just a thought...which probably won't happen but is nice to think about having him to help the offense.

BCBulldog

BR1986FB wrote:
ytownfootball wrote: or dump Quinn or DA.
I still think that DA will end up in Arizona and, frankly, I think he will start AND thrive with that offense.

ytownfootball wrote: That seems the most favorable fit for DA. I'm not sure it benefits the Browns as much as dumping Quinn, (but who's going to bite?) It is clear one has to go.

I can't wait 'till DA (assuming he goes/does well) posts numbers and everyone cries about how we shouldn't have gotten rid of him yada, yada...fact is he's turrible here.

It amazes me that anyone who claims to have watched Anderson play could think that he has what it takes to be a productive NFL QB. The same arguments made against Quinn, which are legitimate, aren't being applied to Anderson.

If he is so damn good, then why didn't he force his way onto the field? Why didn't he keep the starting job when the guy in front of him got benched?
Because he sucks every bit as bad as Quinn!! He has a poor ability to read defenses, can't check down and thinks that if he only throws the ball harder, it would make a covered receiver open. Mark my words, he will never earn a starting job again.

ytownfootball

He gets a pass (generally speaking) because he backed his way into the pro bowl a couple years back. He can't throw a 5 yard pass to save his life.

BR1986FB

big_hits24 wrote: Trade DA and a pick for Boldin...I saw on ESPN this morning the Cardinals are seriously looking to deal him. Just a thought...which probably won't happen but is nice to think about having him to help the offense.

I don't think that will happen.

DA will get released then he can PICK the team HE wants to go to (if they are interested). He would have to restructure his deal before anyone would give up a late round pick for him.

If this did happen, we'd probably have to throw in at least our 2nd with Anderson to get someone like Boldin.

BR1986FB

BCBulldog wrote:
BR1986FB wrote:
ytownfootball wrote: or dump Quinn or DA.
I still think that DA will end up in Arizona and, frankly, I think he will start AND thrive with that offense.

ytownfootball wrote: That seems the most favorable fit for DA. I'm not sure it benefits the Browns as much as dumping Quinn, (but who's going to bite?) It is clear one has to go.

I can't wait 'till DA (assuming he goes/does well) posts numbers and everyone cries about how we shouldn't have gotten rid of him yada, yada...fact is he's turrible here.
It amazes me that anyone who claims to have watched Anderson play could think that he has what it takes to be a productive NFL QB. The same arguments made against Quinn, which are legitimate, aren't being applied to Anderson.

If he is so damn good, then why didn't he force his way onto the field? Why didn't he keep the starting job when the guy in front of him got benched?
Because he sucks every bit as bad as Quinn!! He has a poor ability to read defenses, can't check down and thinks that if he only throws the ball harder, it would make a covered receiver open. Mark my words, he will never earn a starting job again.

Yes, he does indeed suck but he's done one thing that almost everyone, including Quinn, HASN'T....in 2007 he made football RELEVANT in Cleveland again.

devil1197

BR1986FB wrote:
BCBulldog wrote:
BR1986FB wrote:
ytownfootball wrote: or dump Quinn or DA.
I still think that DA will end up in Arizona and, frankly, I think he will start AND thrive with that offense.

ytownfootball wrote: That seems the most favorable fit for DA. I'm not sure it benefits the Browns as much as dumping Quinn, (but who's going to bite?) It is clear one has to go.

I can't wait 'till DA (assuming he goes/does well) posts numbers and everyone cries about how we shouldn't have gotten rid of him yada, yada...fact is he's turrible here.
It amazes me that anyone who claims to have watched Anderson play could think that he has what it takes to be a productive NFL QB. The same arguments made against Quinn, which are legitimate, aren't being applied to Anderson.

If he is so damn good, then why didn't he force his way onto the field? Why didn't he keep the starting job when the guy in front of him got benched?
Because he sucks every bit as bad as Quinn!! He has a poor ability to read defenses, can't check down and thinks that if he only throws the ball harder, it would make a covered receiver open. Mark my words, he will never earn a starting job again.
Yes, he does indeed suck but he's done one thing that almost everyone, including Quinn, HASN'T....in 2007 he made football RELEVANT in Cleveland again.

Until the end of the year against Cincy when he pissed down his leg.

BR1986FB

devil1197 wrote:
BR1986FB wrote:
BCBulldog wrote:
BR1986FB wrote:
ytownfootball wrote: or dump Quinn or DA.
I still think that DA will end up in Arizona and, frankly, I think he will start AND thrive with that offense.

ytownfootball wrote: That seems the most favorable fit for DA. I'm not sure it benefits the Browns as much as dumping Quinn, (but who's going to bite?) It is clear one has to go.

I can't wait 'till DA (assuming he goes/does well) posts numbers and everyone cries about how we shouldn't have gotten rid of him yada, yada...fact is he's turrible here.
It amazes me that anyone who claims to have watched Anderson play could think that he has what it takes to be a productive NFL QB. The same arguments made against Quinn, which are legitimate, aren't being applied to Anderson.

If he is so damn good, then why didn't he force his way onto the field? Why didn't he keep the starting job when the guy in front of him got benched?
Because he sucks every bit as bad as Quinn!! He has a poor ability to read defenses, can't check down and thinks that if he only throws the ball harder, it would make a covered receiver open. Mark my words, he will never earn a starting job again.
Yes, he does indeed suck but he's done one thing that almost everyone, including Quinn, HASN'T....in 2007 he made football RELEVANT in Cleveland again.
Until the end of the year against Cincy when he pissed down his leg.

I'll still argue that Chudzinski was the one who fucked the Browns over in that game. Jamal Lewis could have run wild on that defense and what does Chud do? Airs it out 40+ times in 40-50 mph winds? Didn't see Palmer throw the ball 20x's that game and we had a MUCH better team.

Had Mangini been coaching them with his ground & pound style that would have been an EASY win for the Browns. That's the difference between Mangini & Crennel...Mangini is intelligent.

Blame DA all you want but I didn't see the SMART coach, Marvin Lewis & Comapny, putting the ball in the air in hurricane-like winds.

devil1197

He was still the one throwing the football.

Most of the time, the ball was going to the opposition.

BR1986FB

devil1197 wrote: He was still the one throwing the football.

Most of the time, the ball was going to the opposition.

No shit? Think the WIND had anything to do with that? Kinda the reason why Palmer wasn't putting it in the air. The Bengals saw what the wind was doing and decided to give us a heavy dose of their RB.

J-Lew was coming off a 220+ yard performance against them and was having success in the 2nd game as well. Does Chudzinski try to RUN the ball? No..he airs it out.

If you recall, it came down to one of the last plays of the game where DA tried to hit Winslow in the end zone. The ball was so far off line it was ridiculous (the wind).

I'm not gonna say that Anderson didn't single handidly screw up games in which they had to try to play catchup (Oakland & Arizona losses) but he doesn't get the blame for that 2nd Cincy game.

BR1986FB

And by the way, bitch & moan ALL you want about DA but if Charlie Frye or Quinn is our QB that year (2007) we're probably looking at a ONE win season.

devil1197

BR1986FB wrote: And by the way, bitch & moan ALL you want about DA but if Charlie Frye or Quinn is our QB that year (2007) we're probably looking at a ONE win season.

Really? The Browns had one of the easiest schedules in a long time that year. I know you hate Quinn, but come on one win is bullshit and you know it.

Face it, Anderson fell apart during the Cincinnati game. Make excuses all you want but I was there that day. He was making terrible read after read and it wasn't all due to win just Anderson being the dumbass. Does all the blame go on Anderson, no the coaches should have been smarter. But he was terrible that day.

BR1986FB

devil1197 wrote: Really? The Browns had one of the easiest schedules in a long time that year. I know you hate Quinn, but come on one win is bullshit and you know it.

Don't care how easy the schedule was. Quinn wouldn't have done anywhere near what Anderson did. Anderson had the element of surprise while Quinn would have played like a scared little rabbit, rookie. One win at best.

BTW...I don't hate Quinn. Just like Charlie Frye, I wanted to see him succeed. I just see him for what he is...a lesser version of Frye....good with his feet, horrible arm.

Bluepride13

devil1197 wrote:
BR1986FB wrote: And by the way, bitch & moan ALL you want about DA but if Charlie Frye or Quinn is our QB that year (2007) we're probably looking at a ONE win season.
Really? The Browns had one of the easiest schedules in a long time that year. I know you hate Quinn, but come on one win is bullshit and you know it.

Face it, Anderson fell apart during the Cincinnati game. Make excuses all you want but I was there that day. He was making terrible read after read and it wasn't all due to win just Anderson being the dumbass. Does all the blame go on Anderson, no the coaches should have been smarter. But he was terrible that day.

Really? I was in Las Vegas right before the year started and the over/under line for Browns wins in 07 was 4. I dont give a damn who they beat, they were considered one of the 3 worst teams in the NFL.

You dont have QBs throwing deep in 40 mph winds. You just dont. The guy had 29 TDs and close to 4000 yds in 15 games. That has to be given credit for. Only one other Browns QB ever had more. Quinn was annointed the "Franchise" after he was drafted and hasnt done squat to justify that label...at all. I dont think we shpould give up on him yet. Put some players around him and lets see but I am very skeptical about him. DA didnt have a chance in Cleveland the day Quinn was drafted. He had a pretty good year in 07 and yet most fans wanted him traded before 08 started. Blinders!

I will agree that DA is not the best at the short throws but if you remember Joe J led the league in 07 in third down catches for first downs. It couldnt have been that bad. If you look at some of the receivers we have had in the last two years and the terrible oline on the right side its hard to get down and bitch alot about QBs who are looking at 2nd and 10-9- or 8. Just an all around terrible offense.

BCBulldog

BR1986FB wrote:
BCBulldog wrote:
BR1986FB wrote:
ytownfootball wrote: or dump Quinn or DA.
I still think that DA will end up in Arizona and, frankly, I think he will start AND thrive with that offense.

ytownfootball wrote: That seems the most favorable fit for DA. I'm not sure it benefits the Browns as much as dumping Quinn, (but who's going to bite?) It is clear one has to go.

I can't wait 'till DA (assuming he goes/does well) posts numbers and everyone cries about how we shouldn't have gotten rid of him yada, yada...fact is he's turrible here.
It amazes me that anyone who claims to have watched Anderson play could think that he has what it takes to be a productive NFL QB. The same arguments made against Quinn, which are legitimate, aren't being applied to Anderson.

If he is so damn good, then why didn't he force his way onto the field? Why didn't he keep the starting job when the guy in front of him got benched?
Because he sucks every bit as bad as Quinn!! He has a poor ability to read defenses, can't check down and thinks that if he only throws the ball harder, it would make a covered receiver open. Mark my words, he will never earn a starting job again.
Yes, he does indeed suck but he's done one thing that almost everyone, including Quinn, HASN'T....in 2007 he made football RELEVANT in Cleveland again.

And then in 2008, he and his 66.5 rating made it IRRELEVANT again. The league caught up to him, he didn't adapt. He still hasn't and shows absolutely no signs of ever doing it again. Which is why he has yet to beat out Quinn.

BR1986FB

BCBulldog wrote:
BR1986FB wrote:
BCBulldog wrote:
BR1986FB wrote:
ytownfootball wrote: or dump Quinn or DA.
I still think that DA will end up in Arizona and, frankly, I think he will start AND thrive with that offense.

ytownfootball wrote: That seems the most favorable fit for DA. I'm not sure it benefits the Browns as much as dumping Quinn, (but who's going to bite?) It is clear one has to go.

I can't wait 'till DA (assuming he goes/does well) posts numbers and everyone cries about how we shouldn't have gotten rid of him yada, yada...fact is he's turrible here.
It amazes me that anyone who claims to have watched Anderson play could think that he has what it takes to be a productive NFL QB. The same arguments made against Quinn, which are legitimate, aren't being applied to Anderson.

If he is so damn good, then why didn't he force his way onto the field? Why didn't he keep the starting job when the guy in front of him got benched?
Because he sucks every bit as bad as Quinn!! He has a poor ability to read defenses, can't check down and thinks that if he only throws the ball harder, it would make a covered receiver open. Mark my words, he will never earn a starting job again.
Yes, he does indeed suck but he's done one thing that almost everyone, including Quinn, HASN'T....in 2007 he made football RELEVANT in Cleveland again.
And then in 2008, he and his 66.5 rating made it IRRELEVANT again. The league caught up to him, he didn't adapt. He still hasn't and shows absolutely no signs of ever doing it again. Which is why he has yet to beat out Quinn.

And Quinn has yet to DECISIVELY beat out DA. Their stats in preseason last year were pretty similar.

People need to get their damn emotions OUT of this and use their HEAD. Everyone wants to give Brady ALL the time in the world. How many more 4-12 seasons do we need to prove he sucks because I guarantee if he's the starter this year, that's what we're facing...maybe 4-5 wins.

First round quarterback THREE years in the league and he can't DECISIVELY win the job in training camp. My kind of "franchise" quarterback. :rolleyes:

You Quinn nut riders must REALLY like losing. At 42 years of age, I've seen enough of it.

ytownfootball

Well, the rotund one was the decision maker for two of those years

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BCBulldog

BR1986FB wrote:
BCBulldog wrote:
BR1986FB wrote:
BCBulldog wrote:
BR1986FB wrote:
ytownfootball wrote: or dump Quinn or DA.
I still think that DA will end up in Arizona and, frankly, I think he will start AND thrive with that offense.

ytownfootball wrote: That seems the most favorable fit for DA. I'm not sure it benefits the Browns as much as dumping Quinn, (but who's going to bite?) It is clear one has to go.

I can't wait 'till DA (assuming he goes/does well) posts numbers and everyone cries about how we shouldn't have gotten rid of him yada, yada...fact is he's turrible here.
It amazes me that anyone who claims to have watched Anderson play could think that he has what it takes to be a productive NFL QB. The same arguments made against Quinn, which are legitimate, aren't being applied to Anderson.

If he is so damn good, then why didn't he force his way onto the field? Why didn't he keep the starting job when the guy in front of him got benched?
Because he sucks every bit as bad as Quinn!! He has a poor ability to read defenses, can't check down and thinks that if he only throws the ball harder, it would make a covered receiver open. Mark my words, he will never earn a starting job again.
Yes, he does indeed suck but he's done one thing that almost everyone, including Quinn, HASN'T....in 2007 he made football RELEVANT in Cleveland again.
And then in 2008, he and his 66.5 rating made it IRRELEVANT again. The league caught up to him, he didn't adapt. He still hasn't and shows absolutely no signs of ever doing it again. Which is why he has yet to beat out Quinn.
And Quinn has yet to DECISIVELY beat out DA. Their stats in preseason last year were pretty similar.

People need to get their damn emotions OUT of this and use their HEAD. Everyone wants to give Brady ALL the time in the world. How many more 4-12 seasons do we need to prove he sucks because I guarantee if he's the starter this year, that's what we're facing...maybe 4-5 wins.

First round quarterback THREE years in the league and he can't DECISIVELY win the job in training camp. My kind of "franchise" quarterback. :rolleyes:

You Quinn nut riders must REALLY like losing. At 42 years of age, I've seen enough of it.

Are you really this damn thickheaded??! I have repeatedly said that Quinn sucks and should have zero chance of starting for Cleveland.

If anyone is bound by emotions, it is YOU and YOUR "nut riding" of Anderson. The guy plain sucks, yet you keep harkening back to his fluke 2007 season, hoping to he will be able to re-create it. The guy is an absolute joke. He is a six-year veteran and still can't beat out shitty Brady Quinn. Give it up. He is a lousy player and when the Browns release him, he will be lucky to be a third-stringer for a bad team.

I am sick of this losing BS, but there is no sense in keeping proven losers like Anderson around. Especialy with a huge roster bonus coming due. If you need someone to do the laundry, maybe Anderson could help out. On second thought, I would just hire Cintas. Anderson couldn't even toss the clothes into the damn machine.

Nate

Just saw on ESPN there is an article linking the Browns to Thomas Jones..

devil1197

BR1986FB wrote:
BCBulldog wrote:
BR1986FB wrote:
BCBulldog wrote:
BR1986FB wrote:
ytownfootball wrote: or dump Quinn or DA.
I still think that DA will end up in Arizona and, frankly, I think he will start AND thrive with that offense.

ytownfootball wrote: That seems the most favorable fit for DA. I'm not sure it benefits the Browns as much as dumping Quinn, (but who's going to bite?) It is clear one has to go.

I can't wait 'till DA (assuming he goes/does well) posts numbers and everyone cries about how we shouldn't have gotten rid of him yada, yada...fact is he's turrible here.
It amazes me that anyone who claims to have watched Anderson play could think that he has what it takes to be a productive NFL QB. The same arguments made against Quinn, which are legitimate, aren't being applied to Anderson.

If he is so damn good, then why didn't he force his way onto the field? Why didn't he keep the starting job when the guy in front of him got benched?
Because he sucks every bit as bad as Quinn!! He has a poor ability to read defenses, can't check down and thinks that if he only throws the ball harder, it would make a covered receiver open. Mark my words, he will never earn a starting job again.
Yes, he does indeed suck but he's done one thing that almost everyone, including Quinn, HASN'T....in 2007 he made football RELEVANT in Cleveland again.
And then in 2008, he and his 66.5 rating made it IRRELEVANT again. The league caught up to him, he didn't adapt. He still hasn't and shows absolutely no signs of ever doing it again. Which is why he has yet to beat out Quinn.
And Quinn has yet to DECISIVELY beat out DA. Their stats in preseason last year were pretty similar.

People need to get their damn emotions OUT of this and use their HEAD. Everyone wants to give Brady ALL the time in the world. How many more 4-12 seasons do we need to prove he sucks because I guarantee if he's the starter this year, that's what we're facing...maybe 4-5 wins.

First round quarterback THREE years in the league and he can't DECISIVELY win the job in training camp. My kind of "franchise" quarterback. :rolleyes:

You Quinn nut riders must REALLY like losing. At 42 years of age, I've seen enough of it.

Dude, you need to read people's previous posts before even talking.

You are defending Anderson like no other after stating he is terrible. Meanwhile, people who dislike both QB's are being called Quinn nut riders because you are ignoring their previous posts.

DeyDurkie5

Yeah, Br, take a breather mayne...you sound like a hardass!

Bluepride13

BCBulldog wrote:
BR1986FB wrote:
BCBulldog wrote:
BR1986FB wrote:
ytownfootball wrote: or dump Quinn or DA.
I still think that DA will end up in Arizona and, frankly, I think he will start AND thrive with that offense.

ytownfootball wrote: That seems the most favorable fit for DA. I'm not sure it benefits the Browns as much as dumping Quinn, (but who's going to bite?) It is clear one has to go.

I can't wait 'till DA (assuming he goes/does well) posts numbers and everyone cries about how we shouldn't have gotten rid of him yada, yada...fact is he's turrible here.
It amazes me that anyone who claims to have watched Anderson play could think that he has what it takes to be a productive NFL QB. The same arguments made against Quinn, which are legitimate, aren't being applied to Anderson.

If he is so damn good, then why didn't he force his way onto the field? Why didn't he keep the starting job when the guy in front of him got benched?
Because he sucks every bit as bad as Quinn!! He has a poor ability to read defenses, can't check down and thinks that if he only throws the ball harder, it would make a covered receiver open. Mark my words, he will never earn a starting job again.
Yes, he does indeed suck but he's done one thing that almost everyone, including Quinn, HASN'T....in 2007 he made football RELEVANT in Cleveland again.
And then in 2008, he and his 66.5 rating made it IRRELEVANT again. The league caught up to him, he didn't adapt. He still hasn't and shows absolutely no signs of ever doing it again. Which is why he has yet to beat out Quinn.

And Quinn has done what? DA isnt the the guy we overpaid to get...Quinn is. Tell me how much the "franchise" has adapted.

Al Capone

Clevelands 1st rd picks since 99:
Tim Couch
Courtney Brown
Gerald Warren
William Green
Jeff Faine
Kellen Winslow
Braylon Edwards
Kamerion Wimbley
Joe Thomas
Alex Mack
That my friends is whats wrong with the browns. btw what happened in 2008 when they didnt pick until the 4th rd?

pkebker

The tide has been turning in our draft picks though. The last three are pretty good players. And Edwards and Winslow were good players but character issues got in the way. Now with a draft guru like Heckert, we should see the trend continue to improve.

DaBrowns41

KnightRyder wrote:
DaBrowns41 wrote:
KnightRyder wrote: how many games games does quinn have to start before you people can consider him a bust? if the quinn stunk it up for 200 straight games you would say he hasnt played enough. the bottom line here is that quinn is garbage. why do you think he stock dropped like a brick on draft day?
Imagine how many less great QB's would be around if teams just gave up on them after 12 starts... Or any player for that matter.

Steve Young, Donovan McNabb, Drew Brees, Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, just to name a few.

You can't call somebody a bust who's got 12 starts under their belt. Does he look like he's worth the pick that we used and traded up for? Absolutely not.

But until he's given a chance to start a full season, and can have majority of the reps in TC, we'll never get to see what we have.

None of you even understand how hard it is to not be in rhythm with your WR's because you had to split the TC snaps. One day Lance Leggett was his WR, and the next it was Braylon Edwards. It screws up the QB's timing. Not to mention, there's little to no talent around him.

I know you guys want to bash the QB, but your arguments simply aren't logical.
so he has to be given a chance to start a full season? how about he goes out and earns the chance to start. that would be a novel idea. well this past season he had the chance to start and he blew it by stinking it up. the starting job was quinn's to lose and he lost it.

He did earn it in TC. And Mangini got impatient after Quinn failed to record a win in 2.5 starts against top tier defenses (although Denver's defense didn't finish so hot).

Mangini failed in that situation, especially for giving DA even more time despite playing significantly worse than BQ against even worse teams.

DaBrowns41

BR1986FB wrote: I'll still argue that Chudzinski was the one who fucked the Browns over in that game. Jamal Lewis could have run wild on that defense and what does Chud do? Airs it out 40+ times in 40-50 mph winds? Didn't see Palmer throw the ball 20x's that game and we had a MUCH better team.

Had Mangini been coaching them with his ground & pound style that would have been an EASY win for the Browns. That's the difference between Mangini & Crennel...Mangini is intelligent.

Blame DA all you want but I didn't see the SMART coach, Marvin Lewis & Comapny, putting the ball in the air in hurricane-like winds.

Alright, I'll play.

So we can afford the loss to Cincy, if DA doesn't screw up and throw a pick 6, and another terrible INT to Rod Hood against the Cards (yes, a guy that Mangini cut this year).

We could also afford a loss to Cincy if we hold our lead against the Steelers. DA played a solid first half, and then choked in the second half having numerous consecutive 3 and outs, causing our defense to be worn down so badly that Big Ben runs for a 30+ yard TD.

We could afford the Cincy loss if Derek Anderson didn't choke against the Raiders... Yes, I said the Raiders and throw 2 crucial interceptions.

We could also afford the Cincy loss had Anderson not thrown an interception within the Patriots 10 yard line, along with 2 other INT's in a game that we were very much in.

Derek Anderson threw 29 TD's that year. 19 of those were against teams that drafted (or would have if they didn't trade the pick) top 9 in the 2008 NFL Draft. When it came to playing a good defense, he failed, miserably, which is why we saw him come out in 2008 and get his ass kicked by the Cowboys and Steelers among a few other teams.

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