Cleveland Browns Offseason Talk

• KnightRyder

  

  how many games games does quinn have to start before you people can consider him a bust? if the quinn stunk it up for 200 straight games you would say he hasnt played enough. the bottom line here is that quinn is garbage. why do you think he stock dropped like a brick on draft day?
• DaBrowns41

  Writerbuckeye wrote: Welcome to the Free Huddle, BR. Nice to have another Browns fan on these forums.
  
  Good news about Cribbs.
  
  I'll disagree with you on calling Quinn a bust yet. He hasn't played enough for us to make that determination for certain.
  
  Do I think he's the answer at QB? No. I really don't. I want them to go out and find the best veteran they can get and draft somebody Holmgren/Heckert think the Browns can win games with -- if not this draft then down the road.
  
  I do think Quinn needs to be kept as a backup and given an opportunity to compete for the starting job. I'm not yet convinced he has had enough good coaching to make that final determination to kick him to the curb.
  
  Like him or not (and I've seen way too much hatred toward him for not much reason at all), NFL quarterbacks simply don't typically develop very fast and it takes actual game experience to find out if you've got one worth keeping or not.

  Great post.
  
  http://bleacherreport.com/articles/338263-first-round-quarterbacks-what-do-they-need-for-success
  
  This is an article I wrote that also helps reinforce the fact that Quinn needs help on the offense.
• DaBrowns41

  KnightRyder wrote: how many games games does quinn have to start before you people can consider him a bust? if the quinn stunk it up for 200 straight games you would say he hasnt played enough. the bottom line here is that quinn is garbage. why do you think he stock dropped like a brick on draft day?

  Imagine how many less great QB's would be around if teams just gave up on them after 12 starts... Or any player for that matter.
  
  Steve Young, Donovan McNabb, Drew Brees, Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, just to name a few.
  
  You can't call somebody a bust who's got 12 starts under their belt. Does he look like he's worth the pick that we used and traded up for? Absolutely not.
  
  But until he's given a chance to start a full season, and can have majority of the reps in TC, we'll never get to see what we have.
  
  None of you even understand how hard it is to not be in rhythm with your WR's because you had to split the TC snaps. One day Lance Leggett was his WR, and the next it was Braylon Edwards. It screws up the QB's timing. Not to mention, there's little to no talent around him.
  
  I know you guys want to bash the QB, but your arguments simply aren't logical.
• BR1986FB

  DaBrowns41 wrote: None of you even understand how hard it is to not be in rhythm with your WR's because you had to split the TC snaps.

  And you do? Exactly HOW many snaps have YOU taken as a pro QB?
• DaBrowns41

  BR1986FB wrote:

  DaBrowns41 wrote: None of you even understand how hard it is to not be in rhythm with your WR's because you had to split the TC snaps.

  And you do? Exactly HOW many snaps have YOU taken as a pro QB?

  Ask head coach, QB, scout, or NFL guru, and they'll tell you that one of the most crucial pieces of your offense is to have your QB's and WR's on the same page. Timing is everything.
  
  It's common knowledge, really. Not sure why you're so hostile towards me. And just because I don't want to give up on a QB that hasn't been given a fair shake doesn't make me a "fanboy". I suggest being less hostile and you'll get a more civil response from others.
• Bluepride13

  Was never a fan of Quinn but on his behalf (and Andersons) the pieces surrounding both of these guys was horrible. Neither is as bad as what they showed. I think we should let Quinn start and find out for sure. Fix the right side of the oline and lets see how it goes.
  
  As far as a bust goes....As of right now Quinn IS a bordeline bust...imo.
• pkebker

  BR1986FB wrote:

  DaBrowns41 wrote: None of you even understand how hard it is to not be in rhythm with your WR's because you had to split the TC snaps.

  And you do? Exactly HOW many snaps have YOU taken as a pro QB?

  What a dumb response. Everyone knows that timing between qb and wr are important, you don't need to be a pro QB to understand that. Timing and rhythm start as early as Jr. High football...
• BR1986FB

  pkebker wrote:

  BR1986FB wrote:

  DaBrowns41 wrote: None of you even understand how hard it is to not be in rhythm with your WR's because you had to split the TC snaps.

  And you do? Exactly HOW many snaps have YOU taken as a pro QB?

  What a dumb response. Everyone knows that timing between qb and wr are important, you don't need to be a pro QB to understand that. Timing and rhythm start as early as Jr. High football...

  No shit, Sherlock but the way he worded it was as if it was some secret that only HE knew from experience. Nobody else obviously knew or were familiar with timing between a WR & QB. :rolleyes:
  
  Yes, timing is important but if Quinn is SO freakin' good it shouldn't be an issue because he should have been the clearcut winner in the QB competition. He should've blown Anderson away yet he didn't.
  
  If Anderson is SO bad and Quinn is this "franchise QB" that some are implying, he shouldn't have HAD to share reps. He should have been THE QB from day 1 in Mangini's tenure. Obviously after watching him, the head coaches, who probably have just a BIT more knowledge than anyone on THIS site, didn't see him as being THE guy.
• BR1986FB

  Looks like the Browns are going to let Rex Hadnot hit free agency which means to me they already have a replacement in their sites it free agency.
  
  Also read where they could look at Taylor Mays as a linebacker.
  
  Trade rumor of us trading up to #2 (with Detroit) for Bradford if the Rams end up trading for McNabb & drafting Suh.
• fortfan

  BR1986FB wrote:
  Trade rumor of us trading up to #2 (with Detroit) for Bradford if the Rams end up trading for McNabb & drafting Suh.

  That's crazy!
• Bluepride13

  I agree about Mays at LB. He plays like one actually and his speed from sideline to sideline would be unmatched. I like it!
• royal_k

  

  Mays at LB might be a great idea, but I still like Hayden a lot. I don't care what he ran at the combine, he is a legit shut down corner. I do like Bradford. He has the size and and a very strong and accurate arm. But what about his shoulder? It would be risky to trade up and pick him there.
• ytownfootball

  

  Yeah, I'm assuming the trade piece would be a bit expensive for Bradford, unless it means dumping DA/Quinn in the process, I'd be a little hesitant.
• big_hits24

  I don't think DET is going to give up their pick at #2. If Cleveland wants to get Haden or Mays at #7 they should both be around at that time in the draft. I really like Eric Berry and would love it if he somehow fell down to where the Browns are up.
• royal_k

  

  I would love to land Berry, but he will be gone when the Browns pick at 7. They would have to trade up to get him IMO.
• big_hits24

  Yea I thought it would be a stretch to get him, but crazier things have happened. I think they expect Tampa Bay to get him don't they? Maybe they'll take Taylor Mays instead...
• KnightRyder

  

  DaBrowns41 wrote:

  KnightRyder wrote: how many games games does quinn have to start before you people can consider him a bust? if the quinn stunk it up for 200 straight games you would say he hasnt played enough. the bottom line here is that quinn is garbage. why do you think he stock dropped like a brick on draft day?

  Imagine how many less great QB's would be around if teams just gave up on them after 12 starts... Or any player for that matter.
  
  Steve Young, Donovan McNabb, Drew Brees, Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, just to name a few.
  
  You can't call somebody a bust who's got 12 starts under their belt. Does he look like he's worth the pick that we used and traded up for? Absolutely not.
  
  But until he's given a chance to start a full season, and can have majority of the reps in TC, we'll never get to see what we have.
  
  None of you even understand how hard it is to not be in rhythm with your WR's because you had to split the TC snaps. One day Lance Leggett was his WR, and the next it was Braylon Edwards. It screws up the QB's timing. Not to mention, there's little to no talent around him.
  
  I know you guys want to bash the QB, but your arguments simply aren't logical.

  so he has to be given a chance to start a full season? how about he goes out and earns the chance to start. that would be a novel idea. well this past season he had the chance to start and he blew it by stinking it up. the starting job was quinn's to lose and he lost it.
• BR1986FB

  big_hits24 wrote: I don't think DET is going to give up their pick at #2. If Cleveland wants to get Haden or Mays at #7 they should both be around at that time in the draft. I really like Eric Berry and would love it if he somehow fell down to where the Browns are up.

  I don't care if Mays runs a 3.2 forty....if the Browns draft him at #7 I'll be up on a water tower outside Berea with a high powered rifle (I'm kidding about the water tower/rifle but you get the point).
  
  He may have gotten back into the 1st round with yesterday's performance but all he is to me is a "Combine Warrior." Not a very good football player.
• BR1986FB

  Apparently Greg Olsen doesn't like Mike Martz and wants out of Chicago. The Bears need draft picks and we could use a good TE. Wishful thinking but man would that dude look sweet in Brown & Orange.
• OneBuckeye

  

  ^ I agree... what would we have to give up for him?
• big_hits24

  I'm not saying I would take Mays at #7 but just wondering if there was someway Berry could fall to #7 or do you think CLE would trade up? What veteran QB's are the browns looking at to bring in and mentor Quinn?
• BR1986FB

  big_hits24 wrote: I'm not saying I would take Mays at #7 but just wondering if there was someway Berry could fall to #7 or do you think CLE would trade up? What veteran QB's are the browns looking at to bring in and mentor Quinn?

  I don't think the Browns will trade up for Berry, but maybe Bradford.
  
  Who said they were looking at bringing in someone to mentor Quinn? If they are smart they are looking for someone to start INSTEAD of Quinn.
• ytownfootball

  

  or dump Quinn or DA.
• BR1986FB

  ytownfootball wrote: or dump Quinn or DA.

  I still think that DA will end up in Arizona and, frankly, I think he will start AND thrive with that offense.
• ytownfootball

  

  That seems the most favorable fit for DA. I'm not sure it benefits the Browns as much as dumping Quinn, (but who's going to bite?) It is clear one has to go.
  
  I can't wait 'till DA (assuming he goes/does well) posts numbers and everyone cries about how we shouldn't have gotten rid of him yada, yada...fact is he's turrible here.