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  • BCBulldog
    pkebker wrote: I would instantly get rid of Anderson, even for a 5th rounder.
    You could have stopped at 'Anderson' and that would have been sufficient. He is genuinely a bust and nobody should expect to get anything for him.
  • BR1986FB
    BCBulldog wrote:
    pkebker wrote: I would instantly get rid of Anderson, even for a 5th rounder.
    You could have stopped at 'Anderson' and that would have been sufficient. He is genuinely a bust and nobody should expect to get anything for him.
    How in the Blue Hell is Anderson a bust? Anderson was a SIXTH rounder. Tim Couch was a BUST. Brady Quinn (FIRST rounder) is a BUST. If you get ANYTHING more than a special teamer from your SIXTH rounder you've struck GOLD.

    People need to quit riding on Quinn's nuts like a $3 whore. He SUCKS. Anderson SUCKS...Time to move on.

    I like what I'm reading in this story...

    http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/02/eric_mangini_enjoying_his_reva.html
  • buckeyes_woowee
    BR1986FB wrote:
    BCBulldog wrote:
    pkebker wrote: I would instantly get rid of Anderson, even for a 5th rounder.
    You could have stopped at 'Anderson' and that would have been sufficient. He is genuinely a bust and nobody should expect to get anything for him.
    How in the Blue Hell is Anderson a bust? Anderson was a SIXTH rounder. Tim Couch was a BUST. Brady Quinn (FIRST rounder) is a BUST. If you get ANYTHING more than a special teamer from your SIXTH rounder you've struck GOLD.

    People need to quit riding on Quinn's nuts like a $3 whore. He SUCKS. Anderson SUCKS...Time to move on.

    I like what I'm reading in this story...

    http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/02/eric_mangini_enjoying_his_reva.html
    Right on the money! I will never understand why people have been nut hugging Quinn. The dude is a joke! Anderson at least gave the Browns one good season! This guy was on the PRACTICE SQUAD for the Ravens! The fact that he ever started a game means he wasn't a BUST!
  • BR1986FB
    buckeyes_woowee wrote:
    BR1986FB wrote:
    BCBulldog wrote:
    pkebker wrote: I would instantly get rid of Anderson, even for a 5th rounder.
    You could have stopped at 'Anderson' and that would have been sufficient. He is genuinely a bust and nobody should expect to get anything for him.
    How in the Blue Hell is Anderson a bust? Anderson was a SIXTH rounder. Tim Couch was a BUST. Brady Quinn (FIRST rounder) is a BUST. If you get ANYTHING more than a special teamer from your SIXTH rounder you've struck GOLD.

    People need to quit riding on Quinn's nuts like a $3 whore. He SUCKS. Anderson SUCKS...Time to move on.

    I like what I'm reading in this story...

    http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/02/eric_mangini_enjoying_his_reva.html
    Right on the money! I will never understand why people have been nut hugging Quinn. The dude is a joke! Anderson at least gave the Browns one good season! This guy was on the PRACTICE SQUAD for the Ravens! The fact that he ever started a game means he wasn't a BUST!
    They look at the "name" and overlook the actual skillset. I've seen enough of Quinn firing bombs 15 yards behind receivers into the sidelines or completely missing open receivers to know regardless of what we get in here at receiver, he WON'T be a guy that leads us deep into the playoffs.

    They do the same with Troy Smith...known "name", shitty skillset. They can't take off their Scarlet & Gray goggles to realize that he too is nothing more than a backup.

    I'd rather get some receivers in here, fix the line and take a two year rental on McNabb. I want to see them win NOW. Bring the young guy in to groom them when you find him.
  • royal_k
    Would it be feasible to make this trade starting at a 5th frounder and than escalading up if he does win the starting job and has a really good season? Obviously, this would have to be a 2011 pick.
  • BR1986FB
    royal_k wrote: Would it be feasible to make this trade starting at a 5th frounder and than escalading up if he does win the starting job and has a really good season? Obviously, this would have to be a 2011 pick.
    From what I've heard, the proposed pick would be a 5th with the opportunity to improve with DA's performance.
  • royal_k
    BR1986FB wrote:
    royal_k wrote: Would it be feasible to make this trade starting at a 5th frounder and than escalading up if he does win the starting job and has a really good season? Obviously, this would have to be a 2011 pick.
    From what I've heard, the proposed pick would be a 5th with the opportunity to improve with DA's performance.
    Do it now.
  • ytownfootball
    The best news to date is that there seems to be a consensus among the top brass regarding personnel acquisition. Mangini not having the final say is a huge plus, no more bringing in Jets that have little benefit other than being "Eric's guys", (there have been a couple decent additions). I'm more pleased that the front office appears to have a sense of direction finally.

    Dump DA asap and move on for a rental of a vet I agree.
  • BR1986FB
    Well, after hearing that Julius Peppers asking price is going to be around $15 mill/yr I'd say "pass." I know that money may be "no object" for some in an uncapped year but for THAT money I'll take Peyton Manning. In other words, he's NOT worth it.
  • BCBulldog
    BR1986FB wrote:
    BCBulldog wrote:
    pkebker wrote: I would instantly get rid of Anderson, even for a 5th rounder.
    You could have stopped at 'Anderson' and that would have been sufficient. He is genuinely a bust and nobody should expect to get anything for him.
    How in the Blue Hell is Anderson a bust? Anderson was a SIXTH rounder. Tim Couch was a BUST. Brady Quinn (FIRST rounder) is a BUST. If you get ANYTHING more than a special teamer from your SIXTH rounder you've struck GOLD.

    People need to quit riding on Quinn's nuts like a $3 whore. He SUCKS. Anderson SUCKS...Time to move on.

    I like what I'm reading in this story...

    http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/02/eric_mangini_enjoying_his_reva.html
    Umm, you don't consider giving a turd like Anderson a 3 year $27mm deal a bust? How could he be a draft bust for us? We didn't select him.

    I have no affinity for Quinn either, and I didn't say anything about him, so quit trying to put words into my mouth. Hell, if you find someone willing to give up something for him, trade him too.

    Overhaul the whole damn position. Bring in a vet, draft a QB to learn from the vet and let Quinn or Ratliff be the backup. This BS of hanging your hopes on mid-round MAC QBs and noodle-armed local boys needs to stop.
  • BR1986FB
    http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/blog/index.ssf/2010/03/mike_holmgrens_determination_t.html
  • Al Capone
    haha. It kills me how you brown fans are looking at Holmgren like he is some type of god. What the hell has he ever done to deserve this type of praise? Just another guy raping Lerner for his checkbook.
  • BR1986FB
    Al Capone wrote: haha. It kills me how you brown fans are looking at Holmgren like he is some type of god. What the hell has he ever done to deserve this type of praise? Just another guy raping Lerner for his checkbook.
    13-6
  • royal_k
    lol....good point. Capone is just a little jealous of the direction this team is going and of the people that are leading it.
  • BR1986FB
    royal_k wrote: lol....good point. Capone is just a little jealous of the direction this team is going and of the people that are leading it.
    Holmgren's performance remains to be seen but he WILL have the team headed in the right direction. What this CLOWN fails to realize is that it's NOT Holmgren who will be making the picks, it's Heckert and Heckert's track record speaks for itself.

    Selection of players will be a collaboration. If Heckert & Mangini aren't in agreement, Holmgren breaks the tie. I really don't think Holmgren is much more than a figurehead at this point.

    What Holmgren brings to the table is stability. There won't be any of this infighting and secret bullshit & backstabbing like in the Savage regime. Holmgren knows what it takes to be a winner and he will do his best to build it. He is PROVEN and hasn't had his roster HANDED to him like someone like....let's say.....Tomlin?
  • DaBrowns41
    BR1986FB wrote:
    BCBulldog wrote:
    pkebker wrote: I would instantly get rid of Anderson, even for a 5th rounder.
    You could have stopped at 'Anderson' and that would have been sufficient. He is genuinely a bust and nobody should expect to get anything for him.
    How in the Blue Hell is Anderson a bust? Anderson was a SIXTH rounder. Tim Couch was a BUST. Brady Quinn (FIRST rounder) is a BUST. If you get ANYTHING more than a special teamer from your SIXTH rounder you've struck GOLD.

    People need to quit riding on Quinn's nuts like a $3 whore. He SUCKS. Anderson SUCKS...Time to move on.

    I like what I'm reading in this story...

    http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/02/eric_mangini_enjoying_his_reva.html
    To say that Quinn is a bust is ignorant.

    A player that's been given 12 starts in the NFL is not a bust. Let's re-evaluate after we get him some actual playing time and maybe an OC that's worth something.
  • pkebker
    Al Capone wrote: haha. It kills me how you brown fans are looking at Holmgren like he is some type of god. What the hell has he ever done to deserve this type of praise? Just another guy raping Lerner for his checkbook.
    He's won with every team he's ever been with...how about that?
  • DeyDurkie5
    Al Capone wrote: haha. It kills me how you brown fans are looking at Holmgren like he is some type of god. What the hell has he ever done to deserve this type of praise? Just another guy raping Lerner for his checkbook.
    Once again, this is a thread for CLEVELAND BROWNS offseason talk...the article posted was concerning Holmgren's offseason moves and where his general direction is going. We are having normal talk about our team and you once again troll a thread saying we are worshipping someone. There is a Steelers thread about their offseason moves, go over there and discuss them.
  • DaBrowns41
    Just ignore Al Capone's posts. I have yet to see him make a quality post on this forum.
  • buckeyes_woowee
    DaBrowns41 wrote:
    BR1986FB wrote:
    BCBulldog wrote:
    pkebker wrote: I would instantly get rid of Anderson, even for a 5th rounder.
    You could have stopped at 'Anderson' and that would have been sufficient. He is genuinely a bust and nobody should expect to get anything for him.
    How in the Blue Hell is Anderson a bust? Anderson was a SIXTH rounder. Tim Couch was a BUST. Brady Quinn (FIRST rounder) is a BUST. If you get ANYTHING more than a special teamer from your SIXTH rounder you've struck GOLD.

    People need to quit riding on Quinn's nuts like a $3 whore. He SUCKS. Anderson SUCKS...Time to move on.

    I like what I'm reading in this story...

    http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/02/eric_mangini_enjoying_his_reva.html
    To say that Quinn is a bust is ignorant.

    A player that's been given 12 starts in the NFL is not a bust. Let's re-evaluate after we get him some actual playing time and maybe an OC that's worth something.
    He is also yet to show he can stay healthy. If he can't make it through a whole year then yes he is a bust
  • BR1986FB
    DaBrowns41 wrote:
    BR1986FB wrote:
    BCBulldog wrote:
    pkebker wrote: I would instantly get rid of Anderson, even for a 5th rounder.
    You could have stopped at 'Anderson' and that would have been sufficient. He is genuinely a bust and nobody should expect to get anything for him.
    How in the Blue Hell is Anderson a bust? Anderson was a SIXTH rounder. Tim Couch was a BUST. Brady Quinn (FIRST rounder) is a BUST. If you get ANYTHING more than a special teamer from your SIXTH rounder you've struck GOLD.

    People need to quit riding on Quinn's nuts like a $3 whore. He SUCKS. Anderson SUCKS...Time to move on.

    I like what I'm reading in this story...

    http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/02/eric_mangini_enjoying_his_reva.html
    To say that Quinn is a bust is ignorant.

    A player that's been given 12 starts in the NFL is not a bust. Let's re-evaluate after we get him some actual playing time and maybe an OC that's worth something.
    Not ignorant at all. You can get off his nuts too. All of these Quinn "fanboys" that are wishing and hoping that he succeeds. Dude sucks. Jason Campbell, who is nothing to write home about yet LIGHT YEARS better than Quinn, has had FOUR offensive coordinators. Boo hoo...

    I'll pose the question AGAIN for the umpteenth time....if Quinn was so fucking GOOD, why in the Hell couldn't he DECISIVELY beat out the resident Huddle/Freehuddle "pinata" Derek Anderson? Quick answer...he sucks and is a BACKUP in this league. Hell, CHARLIE FRYE is more accomplished than Quinn. If Derek Anderson is so putrid, what does that make Quinn?

    The Quinn apologists really need to get a clue. If this team goes into 2010 with Brady Quinn as their starting QB we're looking at another 5 win season. Bring in a veteran (ala McNabb) and you're probably looking at 8-9 wins.
  • devil1197
    Quinn is a bust.

    He hasn't had many starts, but one thing he has had is plenty of chances to beat out a QB that many on here bash 24/7. That tells me right there that Quinn doesn't have what it takes to be a true starting QB in the NFL.

    Both are terrible and hopefully Cleveland can get a stop gap veteran QB for this coming season that will produce.
  • BR1986FB
    Word is.....as of 3:30pm Cribbs is a "done deal." Won't be announced for a few days.
  • royal_k
    I'd heard they were close....this is great news.
  • Writerbuckeye
    Welcome to the Free Huddle, BR. Nice to have another Browns fan on these forums.

    Good news about Cribbs.

    I'll disagree with you on calling Quinn a bust yet. He hasn't played enough for us to make that determination for certain.

    Do I think he's the answer at QB? No. I really don't. I want them to go out and find the best veteran they can get and draft somebody Holmgren/Heckert think the Browns can win games with -- if not this draft then down the road.

    I do think Quinn needs to be kept as a backup and given an opportunity to compete for the starting job. I'm not yet convinced he has had enough good coaching to make that final determination to kick him to the curb.

    Like him or not (and I've seen way too much hatred toward him for not much reason at all), NFL quarterbacks simply don't typically develop very fast and it takes actual game experience to find out if you've got one worth keeping or not.