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sleeper

Azubuike24;1730894 wrote:Tyus Jones would be a good fit for the Rockets. Harden has the ball in his hands too much for them to win a title. I actually think his percentages and value would go up. Lets be real though, Houston didn't sign up for Dwight Howard to be so volatile and inconsistent. He can dominate or be unreliable. To blame Harden for them solely only reaching the WCF because he's not good enough is stupid. Imagine having Beverley guarding Steph in this series and the extra 3-point shooting help.

Really? Lebron James seems to be doing just fine without Love/Irving/Varejao. Harden just isn't good enough to put the team on his back.

sleeper

lhslep134;1730850 wrote:Why are you even wasting your energy? There's 2 people who have been on Harden island for years (you and I) and 2 that will never admit Harden is good (Sleeper and COA). Everyone else is somewhere in between.

At this point, any argument between the 4 of us is a waste

Harden is good. He's not a superstar. There's a difference that you never seem to realize or understand. He will never win anything.

sleeper

gport_tennis;1730842 wrote:Sleeper, any advice for how Harden can improve after yesterday's game. He has many faults that are obviously holding his team back, just curious to hear why he sucked last night and what he can do better?

(yes GSW will still win this series)

He can try not being down 1-3 in the WCF.

robj55

sleeper;1730905 wrote:Harden is good. He's not a superstar. There's a difference that you never seem to realize or understand. He will never win anything.

Is winning the measure of being a superstar?

Azubuike24

sleeper;1730902 wrote:Really? Lebron James seems to be doing just fine without Love/Irving/Varejao. Harden just isn't good enough to put the team on his back.

We agree. He's not a star. However, I'd put the number of true "superstars" in the league at about half-a-dozen. Not being in that group isn't necessarily a slight. Chris Paul hasn't won anything either although he's been a pretty consistent top 10-15 played his whole career.

sleeper

robj55;1730912 wrote:Is winning the measure of being a superstar?

MVPs. Championships. Scoring titles. There's a lot of ways to be a "super star" but Harden can't even get one of them accomplished. He's been in the league long enough to have achieved something but he has nothing.

sleeper

Azubuike24;1730914 wrote:We agree. He's not a star. However, I'd put the number of true "superstars" in the league at about half-a-dozen. Not being in that group isn't necessarily a slight. Chris Paul hasn't won anything either although he's been a pretty consistent top 10-15 played his whole career.

CP3 is probably in the same boat as Harden. I don't think he ever wins anything either.

robj55

sleeper;1730916 wrote:MVPs. Championships. Scoring titles. There's a lot of ways to be a "super star" but Harden can't even get one of them accomplished. He's been in the league long enough to have achieved something but he has nothing.

so how many guys are actually superstars? Curry, Durant and Westbrook haven't won anything either.

sleeper

robj55;1730918 wrote:so how many guys are actually superstars? Curry, Durant and Westbrook haven't won anything either.

Durant MVP.
Westbrook. Scoring title.
Curry MVP.

Harden? Nothing. 6th man maybe? Who cares.

I can think of about 25 super stars in the league. Harden is probably #26.

sleeper

And honestly, its not so much about the past, its about the future as well. Does anyone really believe that freaking James Harden is ever going to win anything? LOL.

His only chance is take a massive paycut and get carried to a ship by LBJ, Durant, or someone actually good.

robj55

sleeper;1730920 wrote:Durant MVP.
Westbrook. Scoring title.
Curry MVP.

Harden? Nothing. 6th man maybe? Who cares.

I can think of about 25 super stars in the league. Harden is probably #26.

there are not 25 superstars in the NBA, probably not even 10.

Commander of Awesome

sleeper;1730905 wrote:Harden is good. He's not a superstar. There's a difference that you never seem to realize or understand. He will never win anything.

What if he got on LBJ's team?

Azubuike24

Stephen Curry.
LeBron James.
Kevin Durant (if healthy).
Anthony Davis.
Russell Westbrook (if Durant isn't healthy).

That would be my list, and it obviously excludes Durant and Westbrook together.

The next tier is much bigger with Aldridge, Jordan, Paul, Wall, Harden, Cousins, Gasol, Irving, Anthony, Lillard, Griffin, Bosh, Rose (when healthy), maybe a few others to round out the top 20.

gport_tennis

Azubuike24;1730948 wrote:Stephen Curry.
LeBron James.
Kevin Durant (if healthy).
Anthony Davis.
Russell Westbrook (if Durant isn't healthy).

That would be my list, and it obviously excludes Durant and Westbrook together.

The next tier is much bigger with Aldridge, Jordan, Paul, Wall, Harden, Cousins, Gasol, Irving, Anthony, Lillard, Griffin, Bosh, Rose (when healthy), maybe a few others to round out the top 20.

Why is Curry a superstar and not Harden? Legit serious question

Lovejoy1984

gport_tennis;1730951 wrote:Why is Curry a superstar and not Harden? Legit serious question

MVP.

gport_tennis

HighRoller74;1730954 wrote:MVP.

Then why are Anthony davis and Russell Westbrook superstars?

Azubuike24

The numbers Westbrook put up when Durant was out were insane.

With that said, and I said it above, Westbrook and Harden are both stat monsters that IMO, their style doesn't put them at the "superstar" level at least in-terms of being the cornerstone of a champion.

Actually, it's hard to name the last true lead guard that could carry this. LeBron and Magic are in another galaxy.

Obviously the list is subjective, but I don't think you will find anyone saying Davis isn't in the group. Age has to play a part too. Harden is 27. Westbrook is almost 28. Anthony Davis is 22. Might say the same about Andrew Wiggins in a year or 2. Just as the same was said about LeBron when he was 21...

Lovejoy1984

Russ Westbrook, scoring Title.

And Anthony Davis is by all mesaures the best young player in basketball.

Lovejoy1984

Azubuike24;1730956 wrote:The numbers Westbrook put up when Durant was out were insane.

With that said, and I said it above, Westbrook and Harden are both stat monsters that IMO, their style doesn't put them at the "superstar" level at least in-terms of being the cornerstone of a champion.

Actually, it's hard to name the last true lead guard that could carry this. LeBron and Magic are in another galaxy.

Obviously the list is subjective, but I don't think you will find anyone saying Davis isn't in the group. Age has to play a part too. Harden is 27. Westbrook is almost 28. Anthony Davis is 22. Might say the same about Andrew Wiggins in a year or 2. Just as the same was said about LeBron when he was 21...

I doubt it, he was a below average player this year, putting up meaningless stats, on the worst team in the league.

gport_tennis

HighRoller74;1730957 wrote:Russ Westbrook, scoring Title.

And Anthony Davis is by all mesaures the best young player in basketball.

You know James harden actually scored more points than rwb this year right?

Lovejoy1984

Who won the scoring title?

Thanks for playing.

Also, don't lump me into the the Harden=Garbage group. He's fringe top 10 in my eyes.

sportswizuhrd

Carmelo Anthony has a scoring title, better throw him on the superstar list. I wouldn't but he fits the criteria.

Lovejoy1984

sportswizuhrd;1730961 wrote:Carmelo Anthony has a scoring title, better throw him on the superstar list. I wouldn't but he fits the criteria.

Not in my eyes, though my superstar list can change yearly.

He was a superstar, a few years back.

gport_tennis

HighRoller74;1730960 wrote:Who won the scoring title?

Thanks for playing.

Also, don't lump me into the the Harden=Garbage group. He's fringe top 10 in my eyes.

Rwb had a great 3/4th of season, but for pure scoring purposes, give me the 27.6 ppg with a 45%/38%/86% shooting percentages over the 28.1 ppg with a 43%/29%/83% shooting percentages any day.

sportswizuhrd

Very weird that if Durant was healthy this season, Harden would be considered a superstar. No way Westbrook scores that much with KD playing.

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