Cleveland Cavaliers Offseason 2014

• Automatik

  

  You missed the point. It's not about LeBron, it's the 398984212732423 "sources" providing garbage info. It's a fucking joke.
• jordo212000

  

  enigmaax;1635011 wrote:I would really like you to point out the CBA wording that addresses players talking amongst themselves. The Anti-Collusion Clause, as I read it, seems to be specifically about two teams - from an owner/front office perspective - getting together to arrange player treatment detrimental to the player. I can't find anything that says players are not allowed to make collaborative decisions; basically, there is no such thing as "players collusion."

  exactly.
• SportsAndLady

  

  enigmaax;1635011 wrote:I would really like you to point out the CBA wording that addresses players talking amongst themselves. The Anti-Collusion Clause, as I read it, seems to be specifically about two teams - from an owner/front office perspective - getting together to arrange player treatment detrimental to the player. I can't find anything that says players are not allowed to make collaborative decisions; basically, there is no such thing as "players collusion."

  I'm not sure the actual CBA lingo, but players cannot collectively impact their market value. They're free agents, when you drive your price down in order to collaborate and build a team of superstars that are paid under market value, it's collusion.
• jordo212000

  

  Speaking of "collusion" do you guys not think Lebron has reached out to Kevin Love about playing in Cleveland?
• jordo212000

  

  SportsAndLady;1635020 wrote:I'm not sure the actual CBA lingo, but players cannot collectively impact their market value. They're free agents, when you drive your price down in order to collaborate and build a team of superstars that are paid under market value, it's collusion.

  Yeah.. You aren't going to read what the CBA actually says, but you will go ahead and give your opinion anyways
• enigmaax

  SportsAndLady;1635020 wrote:I'm not sure the actual CBA lingo, but players cannot collectively impact their market value. They're free agents, when you drive your price down in order to collaborate and build a team of superstars that are paid under market value, it's collusion.

  Well, you are wrong so it isn't surprising that you don't know the CBA lingo (it doesn't exist in that context).
• thavoice

  enigmaax;1635011 wrote:I would really like you to point out the CBA wording that addresses players talking amongst themselves. The Anti-Collusion Clause, as I read it, seems to be specifically about two teams - from an owner/front office perspective - getting together to arrange player treatment detrimental to the player. I can't find anything that says players are not allowed to make collaborative decisions; basically, there is no such thing as "players collusion."

  I doubt you see an issue regarding the CBA with these situations. I think the only time really players would ahve to worry about it is MAYBE in season and/or when they are still under contract with said teams.
  Typically collusion goes against owners who are collectively making deals to hurt the players.
  Few years ago I think it was MLB players/agents were thinking owners were colluding against players in FA as they said the offers their guys were getting were just way too similar from multiple teams.
• SportsAndLady

  

  jordo212000;1635023 wrote:Yeah.. You aren't going to read what the CBA actually says, but you will go ahead and give your opinion anyways

  There's nothing in the CBA about collusion or reverse-collusion (what Lebron wade and bosh did in 2010) but to synchronize your pay far below what other teams offer (aka your market value) it's affecting the leagues stance on protecting competitive balance in the league.
• jordo212000

  

  SportsAndLady;1635027 wrote:There's nothing in the CBA about collusion or reverse-collusion (what Lebron wade and bosh did in 2010) but to synchronize your pay far below what other teams offer (aka your market value) it's affecting the leagues stance on protecting competitive balance in the league.

  Based on that logic, nobody could accept a deal less than the highest deal they were offered. Does this mean that anybody accepting the mid-level exception when they have a more lucrative offer is "colluding"
  
  Like enigmaax says.. There is nothing in the CBA prohibiting what Wade, Lebron, et al have been doing. The union obviously doesn't like it, but that's it.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  jordo212000;1635023 wrote:Yeah.. You aren't going to read what the CBA actually says, but you will go ahead and give your opinion anyways

  Turdo, you dipshit, go back and read this thread/the NBA thread. I've posted the CBA article regarding collusion and the Heat/FA several times little guy. Little effort on your part please.
• lhslep134

  

  SportsAndLady;1635020 wrote:I'm not sure the actual CBA lingo, but players cannot collectively impact their market value. They're free agents, when you drive your price down in order to collaborate and build a team of superstars that are paid under market value, it's collusion.

  You don't know what you're talking about. The players themselves are allowed to do whatever they want, talk amongst themselves whenever they want, and talk about whatever they want to talk about.
  
  The only violation of the rules, if provable, would be Riley talking to Lebron before July 2010 representing Miami when Lebron was still under contract with Cleveland.
• like_that

  

  enigmaax;1635025 wrote:Well, you are wrong so it isn't surprising that you don't know the CBA lingo (it doesn't exist in that context).

  The link was already posted in this or the nba free agent thread. I'm on my phone so I'm not digging it up. Not surprised you're on here to try and speak legalities, even though you never talk about the NBA lol.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  lhslep134;1635031 wrote:You don't know what you're talking about. The players themselves are allowed to do whatever they want, talk amongst themselves whenever they want, and talk about whatever they want to talk about.
  
  The only violation of the rules, if provable would be Riley talking to Lebron before July 2010 representing Miami when Lebron was still under contract with Cleveland.

  Not when they're under contract with different organizations talking to other non FAs. Which is what they clearly did dating back to the Olympics.
• jordo212000

  

  Commander of Awesome;1635030 wrote:Turdo, you dipshit, go back and read this thread/the NBA thread. I've posted the CBA article regarding collusion and the Heat/FA several times little guy. Little effort on your part please.

  Show us specifically where it says what Lebron is doing is collusion.
  
  Again.. Be careful, do you honestly think Lebron hasn't talked to Kevin Love.. Who is actually still under contract?
• Commander of Awesome

  

  jordo212000;1635034 wrote:Show us specifically where it says what Lebron is doing is collusion.
  
  Again.. Be careful, do you honestly think Lebron hasn't talked to Kevin Love.. Who is actually still under contract?

  First off, go back and read the links I posted, thanks. Be careful as everything I've said is covered under that you lazy shit stirrer.
  
  Second, no I don't think LBJ has talked to love at all, bc Love isn't going to the Heat. lolfail little guy.
• jordo212000

  

  Commander of Awesome;1635033 wrote:Not when they're under contract with different organizations talking to other non FAs. Which is what they clearly did dating back to the Olympics.

  Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Melo, etc. are not under contract now. So stop talking about collusion
• like_that

  

  jordo212000;1635034 wrote:Show us specifically where it says what Lebron is doing is collusion.
  
  Again.. Be careful, do you honestly think Lebron hasn't talked to Kevin Love.. Who is actually still under contract?

  Just as much as you believed the big 3 didn't collude.
• SportsAndLady

  

  lhslep134;1635031 wrote:You don't know what you're talking about. The players themselves are allowed to do whatever they want, talk amongst themselves whenever they want, and talk about whatever they want to talk about.
  
  The only violation of the rules, if provable, would be Riley talking to Lebron before July 2010 representing Miami when Lebron was still under contract with Cleveland.

  I read an article the other day from some Jewish lawyers talking about it, so I'm just relaying what they were saying.
  
  There's no CBA violation, but they are damaging the leagues stance on competitive balance and parity by taking paycuts welllllll below what their value is. All I'm saying.
• jordo212000

  

  Commander of Awesome;1635035 wrote:First off, go back and read the links I posted, thanks. Be careful as everything I've said is covered under that you lazy shit stirrer.
  
  Second, no I don't think LBJ has talked to love at all, bc Love isn't going to the Heat. lolfail little guy.

  I can find the CBA fine on my own. And have.
  
  Please show us specifically where what Lebron is doing is collusion. That's all I want you to show me.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  jordo212000;1635036 wrote:Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Melo, etc. are not under contract now. So stop talking about collusion

  GO BACK AND READ THE ARTICLE NUMBNUTS.
• sleeper

  

  It's not collusion provided the players are not currently under contract and provided the players are not working together with a team official. The original decision was absolutely collusion because Lebron, his buddies, and the Heat had a plan in place while being under contract with their respective teams. No way in a week they all just magically decided to take pay cuts and play together.
• jordo212000

  

  SportsAndLady;1635038 wrote:
  There's no CBA violation, but they are damaging the leagues stance on competitive balance and parity by taking paycuts welllllll below what their value is. All I'm saying.

  Spurs won the Finals last season
• Commander of Awesome

  

  sleeper;1635041 wrote:It's not collusion provided the players are not currently under contract and provided the players are not working together with a team official. The original decision was absolutely collusion because Lebron, his buddies, and the Heat had a plan in place while being under contract with their respective teams. No way in a week they all just magically decided to take pay cuts and play together.

  This guy read the article. : thumbup:
• like_that

  

  sleeper;1635041 wrote:It's not collusion provided the players are not currently under contract and provided the players are not working together with a team official. The original decision was absolutely collusion because Lebron, his buddies, and the Heat had a plan in place while being under contract with their respective teams. No way in a week they all just magically decided to take pay cuts and play together.

  Please type slower for turdo.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  Turdo, can you link me to the where I was "running amok" in the bengals threads? Thanks.