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robj55

KB0938;1618187 wrote:It's voted on, he won. Id say he was the MVP

Doesn't mean he should have won it.

KB0938

So let me guess, he didn't deserve it because you think Lebron did?

robj55

KB0938;1618190 wrote:So let me guess, he didn't deserve it because you think Lebron did?

Everyone knows Lebron did.

KB0938

Lol so did he get robbed again this year ?

Just because he's a great player doesn't make him the most valuable each and every year

robj55

KB0938;1618192 wrote:Lol so did he get robbed again this year ?

Just because he's a great player doesn't make him the most valuable each and every year

No I thought KD earned it this year, but to be honest, if Lebron played in the West and took 330 more shots he probably would have scored 35 a game. It's all relative really.

Commander of Awesome

I will say, Nash never deserved either MVP. Should have been LBJ both times and I think LBJ is a scumbag POS.

Now that is out of the way, KD earned/deserved it this yr. Had a better season than any LBJ season I can think of w/o looking at LBJ stats.

KB0938

Where he plays isn't really that big a deal. The East isn't exactly murderers row in terms of defense.(off that's what u were hinting at) The pacers and the bulls are the only two teams he'd of had to play that are that good defensively
I don't think his conference matters at all.

And I don't think james was mvp each of those years he ddidn't win n rose or somebody else did. Its not the Naismith award given to the best pplayer. IMO

SportsAndLady

KB0938;1618190 wrote:So let me guess, he didn't deserve it because you think Lebron did?

It shouldn't have been rose. My opinion

robj55

KB0938;1618199 wrote:Where he plays isn't really that big a deal. The East isn't exactly murderers row in terms of defense.(off that's what u were hinting at) The pacers and the bulls are the only two teams he'd of had to play that are that good defensively
I don't think his conference matters at all.

And I don't think james was mvp each of those years he ddidn't win n rose or somebody else did. Its not the Naismith award given to the best pplayer. IMO

The East is definitely much better than the East and it makes a huge difference. The pace is slower, it's more of a grind with lower possessions which means fewer scoring opportunities. KD took something like 330 more shots than Lebron this year which is a huge amount, give Lebron those shots and he averages more ppg because he is way more efficient than KD(or anyone else is). If you can't see a huge difference in style of play and defense between the conferences then I dunno what to tell you.

robj55

Commander of Awesome;1618198 wrote:I will say, Nash never deserved either MVP. Should have been LBJ both times and I think LBJ is a scumbag POS.

Now that is out of the way, KD earned/deserved it this yr. Had a better season than any LBJ season I can think of w/o looking at LBJ stats.

Yes, Lebron should have 7, no big deal though all subjective.

KB0938

Slower style of play sure ...thattt much better defense? I def don't see it, just because you play slower doesn't mean you play better defense. Some of the teams in the east had low scoring games not bbc of defense but because the bottom half of the East is abysmal all around

And 4 shots a game was whst it boils down to. so 8 pts if he shoots 100% on those 4 shots. There's absolutely no way he'd of.averaged 35/GM in the west

Commander of Awesome

robj55;1618202 wrote:Yes, Lebron should have 7, no big deal though all subjective.

I didn't say that. As a Cavs fan I thought he was a better player than Nash then, but dont recall who else was in the conversation. Also I have no issue with Rose over him that season.

robj55

KB0938;1618204 wrote:Slower style of play sure ...thattt much better defense? I def don't see it, just because you play slower doesn't mean you play better defense. Some of the teams in the east had low scoring games not bbc of defense but because the bottom half of the East is abysmal all around

And 4 shots a game was whst it boils down to. so 8 pts if he shoots 100% on those 4 shots. There's absolutely no way he'd of.averaged 35/GM in the west

If he had 10 more possessions per game along with those extra 4 shots he couldn't score 35 ppg in the West? I disagree. And yes better defensively, that coupled with pace of play all contribute. The East is more of a grind and the West is more free flowing and with lesser defensive pressure. Just use the eye ball test, they don't lie trust me.

robj55

Commander of Awesome;1618205 wrote:I didn't say that. As a Cavs fan I thought he was a better player than Nash then, but dont recall who else was in the conversation. Also I have no issue with Rose over him that season.

I feel like Rose won it because everyone was trying to hype him as the next superstar in the league, Lebron had the much better all around season including defensively. Didn't matter because Lebron locked him up in the playoffs and Miami bounced the MVP in 5 games.

Commander of Awesome

robj55;1618206 wrote:If he had 10 more possessions per game along with those extra 4 shots he couldn't score 35 ppg in the West? I disagree. And yes better defensively, that coupled with pace of play all contribute. The East is more of a grind and the West is more free flowing and with lesser defensive pressure. Just use the eye ball test, they don't lie trust me.

LOL! Eyeball test when you have you LBJBallsinyourmouth colored glasses on. :RpS_flapper:

Commander of Awesome

robj55;1618207 wrote:I feel like Rose won it because everyone was trying to hype him as the next superstar in the league, Lebron had the much better all around season including defensively. Didn't matter because Lebron locked him up in the playoffs and Miami bounced the MVP in 5 games.

LBJ said Rose deserved it. Good nuff fer me.

KB0938

He'd have to shoot more than 4 more times a game tp do so. sure if he went Kobe Bryant when he had smush Parker and was a straight gun I'm sure he could score 35. I'm sure Durant could too. but.averaging the shots KD did I really doubt LBJ'S scorin 35 a game.

There's a few teams like I said who play good D. Chicago Miami Indiana. aside from that, there's no defensive beasts in the east. just slower pace and worse offensive players. Who else supposedly has such great defense?

robj55

KB0938;1618212 wrote:He'd have to shoot more than 4 more times a game tp do so. sure if he went Kobe Bryant when he had smush Parker and was a straight gun I'm sure he could score 35. I'm sure Durant could too. but.averaging the shots KD did I really doubt LBJ'S scorin 35 a game.

There's a few teams like I said who play good D. Chicago Miami Indiana. aside from that, there's no defensive beasts in the east. just slower pace and worse offensive players. Who else supposedly has such great defense?

Also I forgot to add that he would shoot a higher percentage against the West. He shot 57% and would probably shoot 60% if he played in the Western conference because of higher percentage looks and more fast break opportunities. Washington, Brooklyn, Charlotte and Toronto all very good defensive teams as well.

Commander of Awesome

LOL LOL LOL you serious rob? You're arguing about hypothetical FG% against the west? LMAO

robj55

Commander of Awesome;1618208 wrote:LOL! Eyeball test when you have you LBJBallsinyourmouth colored glasses on. :RpS_flapper:

good point lol

robj55

Commander of Awesome;1618216 wrote:LOL LOL LOL you serious rob? You're arguing about hypothetical FG% against the west? LMAO

You've seen the D out there, you know I'm right deep down. Two to three more fast break opportunities easily puts him at 60%, you don't get those opportunities in the West.

Commander of Awesome

LBJ's FG% against the west:

Dallas

30

41

.732

Denver

16

32

.500

Golden State

24

42

.571

Houston

17

35

.486

LA Clippers	17	33	.515	4	10	.400	.576	11	.647
	LA Lakers	16	29	.552	2	8	.250	.586	4	.250
	Memphis	21	37	.568	3	7	.429	.608	8	.381
	Milwaukee	25	43	.581	6	13	.462	.651	11	.440
	Minnesota	21	36	.583	2	4	.500	.611	6	.286
	New Orleans	23	40	.575

Oklahoma City

27

42

.643

Phoenix	23	36	.639	4	9	.444	.694	8	.348
	Portland	13	23	.565	0	1	.000	.565	4	.308
	Sacramento	20	34	.588	5	11	.455	.662	10	.500
	San Antonio	14	33	.424

Utah

17

30

.567

Gonna go out on a limb here and say LBJ's shooting FG% wouldn't go up to 60% playing in the west.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01/shooting/2014/

robj55

Commander of Awesome;1618220 wrote:LBJ's FG% against the west:

Dallas 30 41 .732

Denver 16 32 .500

Golden State 24 42 .571

Houston 17 35 .486

LA Clippers 17 33 .515 4 10 .400 .576 11 .647

LA Lakers 16 29 .552 2 8 .250 .586 4 .250

Memphis 21 37 .568 3 7 .429 .608 8 .381

Milwaukee 25 43 .581 6 13 .462 .651 11 .440

Minnesota 21 36 .583 2 4 .500 .611 6 .286

New Orleans 23 40 .575

Oklahoma City 27 42 .643

Phoenix 23 36 .639 4 9 .444 .694 8 .348

Portland 13 23 .565 0 1 .000 .565 4 .308

Sacramento 20 34 .588 5 11 .455 .662 10 .500

San Antonio 14 33 .424

Utah 17 30 .567

Gonna go out on a limb here and say LBJ's shooting FG% wouldn't go up to 60% playing in the west.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01/shooting/2014/

Playing against those teams two more times a year would make a huge difference imo, it totaled up to 58%. Discussing hypotheticals is fun lol Good work on the numbers though man

GOONx19

I think Bill Simmons is my least favorite ESPN guy. He's worse than all of the First Take and talk show people.

SportsAndLady

GOONx19;1618237 wrote:I think Bill Simmons is my least favorite ESPN guy. He's worse than all of the First Take and talk show people.

I cannot stand that guy.

You can tell he's probably never played a basketball game in his life.

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