2013 Random NFL Chatter

• BR1986FB

  Fly4Fun;1462928 wrote:I agree with others that this doesn't necessarily mean the Browns are a bunch of punks. It's just like college football, there are idiots everywhere. However, if there is a trend then there might be something wrong with the locker room, and that often happens from a lack of consistency from turnover of coaches.

  I know it doesn't mean they are ALL punks but I'm starting to question this new regimes due diligence process. Besides Josh Gordon (who was on Heckert's watch), the other 4 (two Bryant's, Groves and now this guy) were brought in on Lombardi/Banners watch. It's bad enough the teams' been a laughingstock for their play on the field.
• wildcats20

  

  Murder charge for Hernandez.
• Gblock

  my lil bro got a quote in the boston herald about hernandez...about some llc he set up for the house he was living in..
  
  http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2013/06/businessman_astounded_at_aaron_hernandez_investigation
• Raw Dawgin' it

  

  
• thavoice

  Raw Dawgin' it;1463201 wrote:

  Good shit!
  
  Seems like maybe he shot the dude and moved him and the cleaning crew cleaned it all up...busted man!
  
  Coulda found a better place to put the body to not be found.
• Midstate01

  

  Watched the court proceedings. He sure looks guilty. Just standing there all cocky and shit. Doesn't look good for him.
• dlazz

  
• Fly4Fun

  

  Midstate01;1463304 wrote:Watched the court proceedings. He sure looks guilty. Just standing there all cocky and shit. Doesn't look good for him.

  I think the only thing he has going for himself is that he has lots of money from football to afford good attorneys. Beyond that it seems like he's fucked himself.
• Trueblue23

  

  "Police say Hernandez shot Lloyd 3 times as he got out of the car, then stood over him and put 2 bullets in his chest"
  
  DAMN
• Automatik

  

  Hernandez is done.
  
  I heard he shot him execution style.
• Laley23

  

  Trueblue23;1463424 wrote:"Police say Hernandez shot Lloyd 3 times as he got out of the car, then stood over him and put 2 bullets in his chest"
  
  DAMN

  Automatik;1463427 wrote:Hernandez is done.
  
  I heard he shot him execution style.

  Fucking scary that people can actually go through with those actions.
• Fly4Fun

  

  Laley23;1463452 wrote:Fucking scary that people can actually go through with those actions.

  Didn't he have gang ties down in Florida?
  
  Not that having gang ties would explain this behavior, but the guy doesn't sound like a stranger to organized violence.
• Trueblue23

  

  Fly4Fun;1463465 wrote:Didn't he have gang ties down in Florida?
  
  Not that having gang ties would explain this behavior, but the guy doesn't sound like a stranger to organized violence.

  I mean he shot another dude in the face, luckily that guy lived, but still.
• Automatik

  

  Trueblue23;1463471 wrote:I mean he shot another dude in the face, luckily that guy lived, but still.

  I just heard about this today for the first time. How did that not make the news?
• dlazz

  Fly4Fun;1463465 wrote:Didn't he have gang ties down in Florida?

  He might have ties in Boston, too. Pretty sure he's from the NE.
  
  I heard on the radio the other day that Hernandez was apparently kind of weird when it came to hanging out with teammates outside of team functions. Would often hang out with a bunch of random people
• Automatik

  

  His entire process, handling of the murder, and attempted "cover up" is laughable. He is so fucked.
• like_that

  

  Waiting on belly to say he should just say guilty.
• Laley23

  

  Automatik;1463473 wrote:I just heard about this today for the first time. How did that not make the news?

  It did. It didnt make a big splash, but it was out there quite a bit.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  Fly4Fun;1463371 wrote:I think the only thing he has going for himself is that he has lots of money from football to afford good attorneys. Beyond that it seems like he's ****ed himself.

  Ropes and Gray = great corporate attorneys and perhaps white collar crime attorneys. The current doofus he has representing him has almost no violent criminal experience.
• like_that

  

  When was the last time a noteworthy professional athlete has been part of such a case? Lewis?
• BR1986FB

  like_that;1463612 wrote:When was the last time a noteworthy professional athlete has been part of such a case? Lewis?

  Rae Carruth? Although I think Ray Lewis may have been a year or so later.
• wildcats20

  

  like_that;1463612 wrote:When was the last time a noteworthy professional athlete has been part of such a case? Lewis?

  
  Stallworth?
• LJ

  

  June 16
  
  9:02 p.m.: Hernandez texts a friend out of state, saying "please make it back."
  
  9:05: Hernandez texts Lloyd that he wants to get together.
  
  9:35: Hernandez texts a friend in Connecticut that says "get your ass up here."
  
  10:23: Hernandez texts the same friend, "Hurry your ass up."
  
  McCauley indicated that Hernandez recently had 14 surveillance cameras installed in his home. Video from the cameras show two men arriving at Hernandez's home in North Attleboro. Later footage shows Hernandez with a firearm. At one point, Hernandez says to one of the men that he "can't trust anyone anymore," according to McCauley.
  
  June 17
  
  1:12 a.m.: The three men depart Hernandez's home in a silver Nissan Altima, according to surveillance video, cell phone towers and cell phone records.
  
  Cell towers track their movement south on Interstate 95. At some point, they turn around, then head north before stopping at a gas station on Route 128.
  
  2:10: Hernandez buys gas, a pack of Bubblicious gum and rolling papers.
  
  2:32: The silver Altima arrives at Lloyd's house. Hernandez sends a text message: "We're here."
  
  Lloyd's sister watches Odin Lloyd leave the house and get into the silver Altima. Neighborhood surveillance video shows Hernandez arriving in the neighborhood as well.
  
  Surveillance video tracks the car around Boston.
  
  McCauley explains that during ride back toward North Attleboro, Hernandez tells Lloyd that when they were at a club, Rumor, the previous Friday night, "certain things upset him," including Lloyd talking to some people Hernandez had "troubles" with. McCauley did not indicate how he obtained this information.
  
  Prosecution says the text indicates the "temperature" in the car.
  
  3:07: Lloyd texts his sister, "Did you see who I was with?"
  
  McCauley suggests that this indicates the "temperature" in the car.
  
  Lloyd does not receive a response.
  
  3:11: Lloyd texts his sister again, "Hello."
  
  3:19: Lloyd's sister responds, "My phone was dead. Who?"
  
  3:22: Lloyd responds, "NFL."
  
  3:23: Lloyd: "Just so you know."
  
  By this point, the four men inside the silver Altima have gotten off I-95 on Route 152, near Hernandez's home, McCauley says records show.
  
  3:23 a.m.: McCauley says surveillance video shows the Altima at a fork in the road. McCauley indicates that one way leads to Hernandez's home, the other down a gravel road where Lloyd's body would later be found. Video shows Hernandez's car going down the gravel road behind a group of industrial buildings.
  
  3:23-3:27: People working the overnight in the industrial park hear gunshots.
  
  3:27: Silver Altima is viewed coming out of gravel road.
  
  3:29: Video at Hernandez's home shows the silver Altima pulling into his driveway.
  
  McCauley states that the distance between where Lloyd's body was found and Hernandez's home is a 2-minute drive.
  
  The crime scene:
  
  • According to McCauley, police found five shell casings – three at Lloyd's feet, two some distance away.
  
  • An autopsy showed two wounds to the chest – one near the left nipple, the other near the right nipple.
  
  • Lloyd did not appear to be robbed, as he still had his wallet, phone and keys.
  
  McCauley explained that Hernandez returned the Altima to a rental car agency, with the driver's-side mirror missing. A worker at rental agency discovered a shell casing under the driver's seat, next to a Bubblicious wrapper. The shell casing and the gum wrapper were tossed into a garbage bin, where police later found them.
  
  After McCauley finished, Hernandez's defense team requested their client be granted bail based on the prosecution's reliance on circumstantial evidence. "It is at bottom a circumstantial case," Hernandez's attorney Michael Fee told the court. "It is not a strong case." Bail was denied and Hernandez, who stood expressionless through most of the arraignment, remained in custody.

  damn
• ohiobucks1

  

  If all of that stuff is considered circumstantial evidence, then wtf is not?
• like_that

  

  wildcats20;1463631 wrote:Stallworth?

  
  I suppose. I was thinking more of a murder case. Other than OJ who was retired, I can't think of a noteworthy athlete who was prosecuted for a comparable or worse crime.