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Peyton Manning's legacy?

  • sleeper
    BR1986FB;1366045 wrote:Chicken & egg...Belichick's legacy is tied to Brady's. Without Brady, Belichick doesn't have nearly the success.
    Put Peyton with Belichick and they win 10 super bowls. Prove me wrong.
  • OSH
    Peyton is 9-11 in the playoffs. Tied with most losses all-time.
  • Laley23
    The losses thing is a dumb argument. He would still have TEN loses had they won the SB vs the Saints.

    The lack of wins is something of note, but again, taking into consideration he has had a bye half his career and you are facing the top 10% of the league in every game. He hasnt padded his wins versus wild-card teams. Would he be looked at better had he lost in the same round every year but had 3 less regular season wins 5 times and thus got 5 more playoff wins? Probably, and it would be stupid.

    The two years he had a complete team, and a defense that was very good he won a SB and then this year...and ironically the defense blew it in an epic fashion. Peyton took some bad teams in Indy to great heights (think LeBron with Cavs...but not quite that bad). He was able to mask a lot of flaws that management then didnt feel the need to address. One of his less talented teams, imo, during the run of 12 wins a year he took to the SB and lost.

    All this said, just watch Peyton go out like Elway did in Denver with a SB Trophy his last 2 seasons haha. That would be pretty crazy.
  • lhslep134
    Football is a team sport. Otherwise, Terry Bradshaw's 4 rings would place him higher up on the list of all time QBs. Wins are incredibly important, but playoff success is outrageously team oriented.

    Also, Bill Belicheck is one of greatest coaches of all time so that affects my opinion as well. I mean he got a team with Matt Cassel to 10 wins.

    Those factors, along with Manning's cerebral and intellectual mastery of the position, break a tie between Manning and Brady for me. Gotta say Manning's the GOAT.
  • Pick6
    Just throwing this out here...

    Tim ***** has won more playoff games with Denver than Peyton Manning has.
  • Rotinaj
    Top 5 of all time. Not even debatable. Eli isn't close either so lets just put an end to that garbage.
  • Heretic
    Rotinaj;1366122 wrote:Top 5 of all time. Not even debatable. Eli isn't close either so lets just put an end to that garbage.
    This.

    Peyton is basically Dan Marino (ie: amazing statistical performances in the regular season). With actual postseason success. At least with Marino, there is the somewhat legit argument that asks if his legacy gets diminished because he never won a Super Bowl. Manning might not have had a huge amount of postseason success (at least in comparison to his regular season success), but he has gotten a ring in his life, at least.
  • robj55
    Marino>All
  • ernest_t_bass
    robj55;1366138 wrote:Marino>All

    Best QB without a ring, easily.
  • GoChiefs
    ernest_t_bass;1366141 wrote:Best QB without a ring, easily.

    Ken Anderson disagrees!
  • ernest_t_bass
    GoChiefs;1366144 wrote:Ken Anderson disagrees!

    Bitch, plz.
  • Ironman92
    ernest_t_bass;1366141 wrote:Best QB without a ring, easily.

    Fran disagrees.
  • Ironman92
    Peyton is #5 in my book.
  • CLEconomically Speaking
    Heretic;1366135 wrote:This.

    Peyton is basically Dan Marino (ie: amazing statistical performances in the regular season). With actual postseason success. At least with Marino, there is the somewhat legit argument that asks if his legacy gets diminished because he never won a Super Bowl. Manning might not have had a huge amount of postseason success (at least in comparison to his regular season success), but he has gotten a ring in his life, at least.
    This is a great comparison. The whole best qb debate is made difficult because there are different types of qbs. You have your manning and marino. Then there's brady and montana: great qbs with a fistfull of rings, but not tops on the passing charts. Then there's elway and young, excellent qbs with added mobility. And these six don't even include farve or johnny u. The best qb debate is like a countdown of the best classic rock songs of all time: same songs every year and consistent top 5, but a different winner each time.
  • said_aouita
    Fly4Fun;1365997 wrote:For everyone in the Eli > Peyton camp because of Peyton's losses in the playoffs, what about those times that the Giants just failed to even make the playoffs all together?
    Agreed. Eli is not as good as his older brother.

    If PM was QB for the Giants instead of EM, NY would have won more sb's than the Pat's with TB.
  • ernest_t_bass
    Ironman92;1366258 wrote:Fran disagrees.
    Bitch, plz.
  • ernest_t_bass
    Ironman92;1366260 wrote:Peyton is #5 in my book.
    Who are your 1st 4?
  • wes_mantooth
    Top 5 of all time...I would say

    1. RG3
    2. Marino
    3. Elway
    4. Manning
    5. Brady
  • se-alum
    wes_mantooth;1366359 wrote:Top 5 of all time...I would say

    1. RG3
    2. Marino
    3. Elway
    4. Manning
    5. Brady
    Brady over Weeden? GTFO.
  • sleeper
    CLEconomically Speaking;1366298 wrote:This is a great comparison. The whole best qb debate is made difficult because there are different types of qbs. You have your manning and marino. Then there's brady and montana: great qbs with a fistfull of rings, but not tops on the passing charts. Then there's elway and young, excellent qbs with added mobility. And these six don't even include farve or johnny u. The best qb debate is like a countdown of the best classic rock songs of all time: same songs every year and consistent top 5, but a different winner each time.
    Sorry, but any QB who didn't play in the 2000's is irrelevant. The NFL is so much deeper and tougher; those old timers would ride the bench on the Chiefs if they played now.
  • ernest_t_bass
    wes_mantooth;1366359 wrote:Top 5 of all time...I would say

    1. RG3
    2. Marino
    3. Elway
    4. Manning
    5. Brady
    lol @ #1
  • wes_mantooth
    sleeper;1366367 wrote:Sorry, but any QB who didn't play in the 2000's is irrelevant. The NFL is so much deeper and tougher; those old timers would ride the bench on the Chiefs if they played now.
    I agree mostly, although...I think Marino is the the exception. He had a cannon
  • sleeper
    wes_mantooth;1366394 wrote:I agree mostly, although...I think Marino is the the exception. He had a cannon
    He'd be broken in half after 1 or 2 sacks. The QB of today is a lot bigger than the past; Marino is a twig and would last 2-3 years max if he played today.
  • wes_mantooth
    sleeper;1366440 wrote:He'd be broken in half after 1 or 2 sacks. The QB of today is a lot bigger than the past; Marino is a twig and would last 2-3 years max if he played today.
    he was 6'4" 230lbs

    manning is 6'5" 230.
  • sleeper
    wes_mantooth;1366448 wrote:he was 6'4" 230lbs of fat

    manning is 6'5" 230 of muscle
    Fixed.