Cleveland Cavaliers 2012-13

• GOONx19

  

  Lol, I don't know why I typed that
• Pick6

  

  Good chance Utah loses to Memphis if they beat Minni tonight. I like LA's chances.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  Good news.
• mucalum49

  

  @Probballdraft 9h Expect Byron Scott to be fired shortly after regular season conclusion based on conversations w/ several Cavs sources.
  
  Who would be your pick as a replacement? I first thought of Stan Van Gundy. He has a similar mindset as Byron Scott in terms of being a no nonsense coach so I don't know how much of a change that'd be. It's also speculated that players grow tired of him. But I wasn't sure how much of that was just Dwight Howard being a bitch.
• like_that

  

  mucalum49;1426531 wrote:@Probballdraft 9h Expect Byron Scott to be fired shortly after regular season conclusion based on conversations w/ several Cavs sources.
  
  Who would be your pick as a replacement? I first thought of Stan Van Gundy. He has a similar mindset as Byron Scott in terms of being a no nonsense coach so I don't know how much of a change that'd be. It's also speculated that players grow tired of him. But I wasn't sure how much of that was just Dwight Howard being a bitch.

  
  I like SVG, but the NBA is full of little bitches these days. It seems like many players end up turning on him.
• SportsAndLady

  

  Maybe Larry Brown comes back to the NBA?
• like_that

  

  SportsAndLady;1426547 wrote:Maybe Larry Brown comes back to the NBA?

  Too old.
• Mulva

  

  Gilbert should clean house.
• Hb31187

  

  Dunno why theyd get rid of Byron. Seems like a damn good coach and hasnt exactly had the best team to work with
• mucalum49

  

  Hb31187;1426586 wrote:Dunno why theyd get rid of Byron. Seems like a damn good coach and hasnt exactly had the best team to work with

  Here's an article summarizing most of the discontent with Byron from the diehard Cavs fans. Most realize the talent isn't there but there are a lot of glaring issues.
  
  http://www.ohio.com/news/top-stories/jason-lloyd-byron-scott-s-future-with-the-cleveland-cavaliers-in-question-1.385677
  
  To summarize a few key points:
  

  The defense hasn’t improved in three seasons, irritating everyone within an organization that spent years enjoying one of the league’s best defensive minds in Mike Brown. After a home loss to the Denver Nuggets in early February, when the defense again faltered and a three-game winning streak was washed away, Cavs owner Dan Gilbert wrote on his Twitter account, “We have made good progress recently, but when the Cleveland Cavaliers arrive back to the top tier of the NBA we will be a DEFENSIVE 1st team.”
  It was a public proclamation directed to everyone with an office at Quicken Loans Arena — this type of defensive performance will not be tolerated

  Yet even the player who defended Scott’s practice habits agreed he has questioned the coach’s in-game strategies, including his refusal at various points to use timeouts.
  As the Miami Heat came roaring back from a 27-point deficit two weeks ago, Scott let his floundering team play on while LeBron James and Shane Battier fired 3-pointer after 3-pointer.
  Instead of using a timeout to ice the Heat’s momentum and give his players a mental break, Scott watched the lead vanish. The Cavs led by 18 with 2:51 left in the third quarter and the Heat had the game tied within the first 92 seconds of the fourth. Scott never used a timeout and ended up taking one home with him.
  Last week against the Boston Celtics, the Cavs blew a 14-point lead in the game’s final eight minutes. With his team again falling stagnant on offense, finishing the night shooting 1-of-9 with no assists and three turnovers, Scott refused to call a timeout. He ended the game with three left over, although he conceded the next day he should’ve taken one prior to the Cavs’ final possession.

  There's a whole section of that article about players QQ'ing regarding his practice habits. I have no issue with them getting worked. But I tend to agree points I quoted are areas of concern. I don't want the Cavs to fire Byron unless they have a better option. I mentioned Stan Van Gundy who's record on paper looks strong but I can't recall enough about him to say he'd be better at defensive strategies or in game decision making.
  
  As for Gilbert clearing house I don't think that's needed. Grant has put this team in a position for success with trades and the assets accumulated as well as cap space. The young guys we have are performing, it's the coaching staff's responsibility to develop their areas of opportunity. The only misstep I can really say Grant made was holding onto Andy too long but that's even debatable. You'd think at some point in three seasons the guy would stay healthy till the trade deadling when you could get maximum value in return.
• Mulva

  

  Hb31187;1426586 wrote:Dunno why theyd get rid of Byron. Seems like a damn good coach and hasnt exactly had the best team to work with

  Why would they keep him? What has he done to deserve a 4th season?
• Commander of Awesome

  

  Well they want defense, Mike Brown is still available. :rolleyes:
• Heretic

  

  like_that;1426533 wrote:I like SVG, but the NBA is full of little bitches these days. It seems like many players end up turning on him.

  And little bitch players would probably be completely terrified to see SVG coming to their team after he easily made Dwight look like the biggest little bitch in the history of little bitches during that day he called Dwight out as the guy trying to get him fired and then casually handed the mic to him when he came by to offer some insincere "We don't care 'bout them naysayers, do we coach?" shit.
• Pick6

  

  Here is my take on the Byron situation. Im not even going to look it up, but when your starters of the the ages 22, 23, 25, 21, and 21, its a pretty safe assumption that you have the youngest team in the league. We have had 2 years of rebuild (sorry the first year of the Lebron leftovers doesnt count as a "rebuild"). Yeah, I dont like the defense, which is why Im pulling for Noel. We have plenty of offensive with Kyrie, Dion, TT, and hopefully and upgrade at the 3. The team overall has shown a lot of potential. They have beaten some of the top teams this season, but have also blew some huge leads. What more can you realistically expect from a team full of 1st and 2nd year players?
  
  If you fire Byron, who is out there right now that is a guaranteed better replacement? We are supposed to be winning in the next year or two. What if the new hire is a complete failure and we lose Kyrie? Could be a never ending cycle the Wizards, Bobcats, etc are in.
  
  I say give Byron 1 more year. I think around .500 is a realistic expectation with 2(hopefully) high-mid first round draft picks and with our young core having another offseason to develop. Injuries were a problem this year as well.
  
  One more year and if he doesnt meet whatever Gilbert's rational expectations are, then fire him.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  We better be in the fucking playoffs next yr regardless of who the coach is.
• gport_tennis

  Playoffs for sure is a real possibility. 40-44 wins is what'd like to see
• like_that

  

  They should make the playoffs, but it won't happen if they have to baby their star player every time he gets a little boo boo.
• BR1986FB

  I saw Miami was voted #1 in some fan "loyalty" poll while the Cavs were 26th. About spit my water on my computer when I saw Miami at #1. That city might be THE worst city for fan loyalty in the country.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  Let me guess, it was BSPN?
• like_that

  

  BR1986FB;1426825 wrote:I saw Miami was voted #1 in some fan "loyalty" poll while the Cavs were 26th. About spit my water on my computer when I saw Miami at #1. That city might be THE worst city for fan loyalty in the country.

  LOL, where did you see this? Heat index?
• BR1986FB

  like_that;1426834 wrote:LOL, where did you see this? Heat index?

  It's from Forbes. They take into account some stupid stuff while determining this....
  
  http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/2013/04/forbes-ranks-nba-fan-loyalty-heat-1-cavaliers-26/
• like_that

  

  BR1986FB;1426849 wrote:It's from Forbes. They take into account some stupid stuff while determining this....
  
  http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/2013/04/forbes-ranks-nba-fan-loyalty-heat-1-cavaliers-26/

  Apparently they didnt take into account the heat had plenty of empty seats DURING the playoffs before LeBron came there. What a joke.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  like_that;1426859 wrote:Apparently they didnt take into account the heat had plenty of empty seats DURING the playoffs before LeBron came there. What a joke.

  Or the fact that most of the first season with him there were empty seats everywhere. Including on opening night there. Remember all the ppl in Miami have better stuff to do BS?
• like_that

  

  Commander of Awesome;1426862 wrote:Or the fact that most of the first season with him there were empty seats everywhere. Including on opening night there. Remember all the ppl in Miami have better stuff to do BS?

  Oh yeah, good call. They have beaches, so they can't attend night games. :rolleyes:
• BR1986FB

  I knew that would bring a few laughs.