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lhslep134

Commander of Awesome;1462267 wrote:Deng is an all star that avgs 16 pts a game. That's well above avg. Hope this helps.

Not to mention one of the best wing defenders in the league.

Fly4Fun

Commander of Awesome;1462267 wrote:Deng is an all star that avgs 16 pts a game. That's well above avg. Hope this helps.

Okay, maybe I was downplaying him a bit. But I don't think he's a guy that will be a legitimate first option for a team. He lead the Bulls this year in PPG (16.5), but wasn't terribly efficient (42% from the field). And the Bulls did struggle a lot on offense this year, defense was obviously their strength. And his TS% was only .508 which puts him at 42nd for Small Forwards. He has been a good defensive player through the years (which I didn't really consider when evaluating him but probably should have).

I think he could be a great role model for young players, but I just don't see him making the Wizards any better than a 6-8 seed, which they probably would be anyways assuming John Wall stays healthy.

I just don't think he's a player to build around for a young team for the future, unless they plan on using his contract for a trade chip at one point. But with Wall still improving (they were awful and like 5-25 while he was out and about .500 with him) I think they would want to continue to build through the draft.

This just seems like it would be a move that would keep the Wizards competitive enough to get into the playoffs but not really move beyond that, just getting stuck in the NBA limbo.

Pick6

The Wizards wouldnt trade for Deng for him to be "the man". Deng is a solid addition to any team no matter which way you want to slice it.

He would be a great fit next to Kyrie and Dion..

Edit: I think the Wizards would be pretty damn happy with making the playoffs.

Fly4Fun

Pick6;1462280 wrote:The Wizards wouldnt trade for Deng for him to be "the man". Deng is a solid addition to any team no matter which way you want to slice it.

He would be a great fit next to Kyrie and Dion..

Edit: I think the Wizards would be pretty damn happy with making the playoffs.

The problem with just making the playoffs is it might temporarily appease the fan base, and it's quite possible that is what Washington needs at the moment, just to make the playoffs. But I also think they could do that without Deng as they were a playoff caliber team once Wall was on the court playing last season.

But often teams in the 6-8 spot get stuck in a NBA purgatory where they can't really improve because they aren't getting high enough draft picks and they don't really have the talent currently on the roster to get better either. So unless you get some great trades without giving up much or do extremely well in the free agency it's just a no win situation in the long run to be considered a title contender.

The NBA is a star driven league, and beyond John Wall, they don't have much. And John Wall and Luol Deng definitely won't be enough to crack the top 4 of the Eastern Conference (Bulls, Pacers, Heat, Nets). It'd probably make more sense for them to focus on just acquiring young talent as Deng won't get them over any kind of hump to actually legitimately contend.

Deng would be a good pick up for a team that is already in contention, is currently weak at SF and has some assets they could afford to give up elsewhere though. Especially since Deng has shown he can guard LeBron decently well.

But for the Wizards I don't think it makes sense.

Laley23

Why would Deng go to Washington and be their star? John Wall is, whether he is good enough to be or not. Then I would put Brad Beal as the next guy that will be a star. Vessley is also an option, depending on how fast he develops.

Laley23

Also, because I havent said it in awhile. Cavs should take Victor Oladipo.

Commander of Awesome

If you want to look into advanced stas, I'd suggest John Wall as a test case. Outside of his few games last season, he's been pretty horrible for his career. that could be the teammates around him, coaches, maturity, etc.... but what I recalled advanced metrics don't grade particularly well for him. Then again, last season could have been the turning point, I'm not sure. Not a Wizards fan.

Pick6

Fly4Fun;1462282 wrote:The problem with just making the playoffs is it might temporarily appease the fan base, and it's quite possible that is what Washington needs at the moment, just to make the playoffs. But I also think they could do that without Deng as they were a playoff caliber team once Wall was on the court playing last season.

But often teams in the 6-8 spot get stuck in a NBA purgatory where they can't really improve because they aren't getting high enough draft picks and they don't really have the talent currently on the roster to get better either. So unless you get some great trades without giving up much or do extremely well in the free agency it's just a no win situation in the long run to be considered a title contender.

The NBA is a star driven league, and beyond John Wall, they don't have much. And John Wall and Luol Deng definitely won't be enough to crack the top 4 of the Eastern Conference (Bulls, Pacers, Heat, Nets). It'd probably make more sense for them to focus on just acquiring young talent as Deng won't get them over any kind of hump to actually legitimately contend.

Deng would be a good pick up for a team that is already in contention, is currently weak at SF and has some assets they could afford to give up elsewhere though. Especially since Deng has shown he can guard LeBron decently well.

But for the Wizards I don't think it makes sense.

So your opinion is that the Wizards are a playoff team currently with a healthy John Wall, but you think an addition of Deng wouldnt take them out of that vaunted "6-8" range you speak of? You're essentially saying Deng (an all-star) wouldnt make them any better.

The Wizards also have this guy named Bradley Beal, who was a top 3 draft pick just a year ago and was named first team all rookie (and has been compared to Ray Allen).

Commander of Awesome

Laley23;1462284 wrote:Also, because I havent said it in awhile. Cavs should take Victor Oladipo.

I wouldn't QQ over this. I still have no idea who I'd like them to take, dream scenario for me is trade down and get Len or Porter or Maclemore. Not sold on NN almost 100% bc of his body type. There isn't one case, not even a single exception that I was about to find where a guy like him comes in and does well in the NBA. Larry Sanders was sort of close, but even he outweighs him by 30+ lbs. If the Cavs took him though, I wouldn't be upset. I would just think it's a developmental pick.

Commander of Awesome

Pick6;1462286 wrote:So your opinion is that the Wizards are a playoff team currently with a healthy John Wall, but you think an addition of Deng wouldnt take them out of that vaunted "6-8" range you speak of? You're essentially saying Deng (an all-star) wouldnt make them any better.

The Wizards also have this guy named Bradley Beal, who was a top 3 draft pick just a year ago and was named first team all rookie (and has been compared to Ray Allen).

It's pretty clear he's just typing to read his own posts and didn't clearly formulate his thoughts before posting. He'll probably just delete your post anyways, so I wouldn't worry. :thumbup:

Pick6

Commander of Awesome;1462287 wrote:I wouldn't QQ over this. I still have no idea who I'd like them to take, dream scenario for me is trade down and get Len or Porter or Maclemore. Not sold on NN almost 100% bc of his body type. There isn't one case, not even a single exception that I was about to find where a guy like him comes in and does well in the NBA. Larry Sanders was sort of close, but even he outweighs him by 30+ lbs. If the Cavs took him though, I wouldn't be upset. I would just think it's a developmental pick.

If you want to see some bad advanced metrics, you should check out McLemore.

Fly4Fun

Laley23;1462284 wrote:Also, because I havent said it in awhile. Cavs should take Victor Oladipo.

Oladipo feels like one of those guys that you might really regret not drafting in 2-3 years.

Fly4Fun

Commander of Awesome;1462285 wrote:If you want to look into advanced stas, I'd suggest John Wall as a test case. Outside of his few games last season, he's been pretty horrible for his career. that could be the teammates around him, coaches, maturity, etc.... but what I recalled advanced metrics don't grade particularly well for him. Then again, last season could have been the turning point, I'm not sure. Not a Wizards fan.

Commander of Awesome;1462288 wrote:It's pretty clear he's just typing to read his own posts and didn't clearly formulate his thoughts before posting. He'll probably just delete your post anyways, so I wouldn't worry. :thumbup:

You're right. I didn't clearly formulate my thoughts. Deng is above average, but I don't think he is by much. But he does have something to offer to a team that is poor at SF and on the cusp of contending for the title. Or he's also a good piece for the Bulls to retain. I think my previous post better explains what I really meant in that I just don't think it would make sense for the Wizards as they need to continue to build through the draft.

Pick6;1462286 wrote:So your opinion is that the Wizards are a playoff team currently with a healthy John Wall, but you think an addition of Deng wouldnt take them out of that vaunted "6-8" range you speak of? You're essentially saying Deng (an all-star) wouldnt make them any better.

The Wizards also have this guy named Bradley Beal, who was a top 3 draft pick just a year ago and was named first team all rookie (and has been compared to Ray Allen).

It's not that Deng wouldn't make them better, he just wouldn't make them better to the point of getting them to be top4-5 in the East.

They were 5-28 to start the season with Wall injured.

They were 24-25 to end the season (they ended on a 6 game skid against almost all play-off teams: Nets, Knicks, Bulls, Heat and then 76ers) And usually non-playoff teams tend to throw in the towel the last few games of a season anyways in an attempt to improve draft position or lottery chances. So I think next season they would probably be an above .500 team and a 6-8 seed anyways. But do you think Deng would put them with the Heat, Pacers, Bulls or Nets? I don't I think they'd still be a bottom half play-off team. Might as well keep the lottery pick and hope to improve your talent by drafting.

lhslep134

Fly4Fun;1462282 wrote:
The NBA is a star driven league, and beyond John Wall, they don't have much. e.

Yeah, Brad Beal is worthless :rolleyes:

Fly4Fun

lhslep134;1462294 wrote:Yeah, Brad Beal is worthless :rolleyes:

I didn't say he is worthless, but he's another young guy. I don't think they are ready to take the next step nor would Deng be able to give them that extra bump, which is why I said they should continue to build through the draft (not give up a lottery pick even in a draft as weak as this).

Mulva

Isn't Deng entering a contact year? I wouldn't think Washington would even consider that deal unless an extension was in place.

wildcats20

Brian Shaw has been hired in Denver.

Going to be such a great hire IMO. Good for them.

sportswizuhrd

Fly4Fun;1462297 wrote:I didn't say he is worthless, but he's another young guy. I don't think they are ready to take the next step nor would Deng be able to give them that extra bump, which is why I said they should continue to build through the draft (not give up a lottery pick even in a draft as weak as this).

Their next step is getting out of the lottery and with this trade they could do it or at least get to .500.

PG-Wall/??
SG-Beal/Temple
SF-Deng/Ariza/Singleton
PF-Vesley/Nene/Booker
C-Seraphin

Okafor will be involved in the deal but has an early termination option and is scheduled to make 14.4M next year. Deng will be making 14.2M. I would rather have Deng. Pretty much cancel each other out. Ariza has a player option for 7.7M(it would be stupid for him not to pick it up). They need a backup PG pretty bad. They could bring back one of their FA's AJ Price, Barbosa, etc.

The Bucks and Celtics probably won't make the playoffs with their changes. Everyone above them from this year, will. Sixers, Raptors and Pistons(tied with Washington) all finished ahead of the Wizards, with the Cavs following them. I predict they will make it if they pull this deal off(and especially if they can trade Nene, but I doubt they will find someone to).

I am done caring about the Wizards more than I should but I love talking basketball, so this is what happens when the playoffs are over and the Cavs talk is high.

lhslep134

Nice post Wizuhrd

gport_tennis

Why would Washington trade Nene? He has been a beast for them when healthy? Is he even in the market?

Fly4Fun

sportswizuhrd;1462391 wrote:Their next step is getting out of the lottery and with this trade they could do it or at least get to .500.

PG-Wall/??
SG-Beal/Temple
SF-Deng/Ariza/Singleton
PF-Vesley/Nene/Booker
C-Seraphin

Okafor will be involved in the deal but has an early termination option and is scheduled to make 14.4M next year. Deng will be making 14.2M. I would rather have Deng. Pretty much cancel each other out. Ariza has a player option for 7.7M(it would be stupid for him not to pick it up). They need a backup PG pretty bad. They could bring back one of their FA's AJ Price, Barbosa, etc.

The Bucks and Celtics probably won't make the playoffs with their changes. Everyone above them from this year, will. Sixers, Raptors and Pistons(tied with Washington) all finished ahead of the Wizards, with the Cavs following them. I predict they will make it if they pull this deal off(and especially if they can trade Nene, but I doubt they will find someone to).

I am done caring about the Wizards more than I should but I love talking basketball, so this is what happens when the playoffs are over and the Cavs talk is high.

But as I said earlier, they already are a .500 team with a healthy Wall. They proved that much last season. They will probably make the play-offs this year without Deng, and Deng won't make them anything more than a 6-8 team, so they should just continue to build through the Draft.