Braves (Beachy) @ Reds (Latos) - game 2
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Mooney44Cards
Roy Halladay was so bad early in his career that he got sent down to the minors around age 23-24 and came back up and has been great ever since.thavoice;1179692 wrote:I think it was brantley a couple of years ago that was touting how many innings it really takes to pitch, as a professional, before a pitcher really comes into his own. That was including MiLB and the bigs. I wanna say it was like 800 innings or so. Now, most guys never get to that, but he was mentiong a number in that range
For Cliff Lee, it wasn't until he was 28-29.
Chris Carpenter led the league in earned runs at age 25. He won the Cy Young at age 30. -
Midstate01
Mooney44Cards;1179696 wrote:Roy Halladay was so bad early in his career that he got sent down to the minors around age 23-24 and came back up and has been great ever since.
For Cliff Lee, it wasn't until he was 28-29.
Chris Carpenter led the league in earned runs at age 25. He won the Cy Young at age 30.
Pretty sure nobody was being serious when talking about baileys starts. You're literally wasting your own time. I'm guessing there's a thread about you because you go crazy trying to prove your own opinions... It's your opinion man, have at it. -
Mooney44Cards
What are you even talking about, I was throwing out examples of how long it took 3 of the better pitchers in the game to come into their own, basically expanding upon the point that thavoice made.Midstate01;1179702 wrote:Pretty sure nobody was being serious when talking about baileys starts. You're literally wasting your own time. I'm guessing there's a thread about you because you go crazy trying to prove your own opinions... It's your opinion man, have at it.
I wasn't defending an opinion, I was throwing out facts in what had become a discussion about pitchers' career progression. -
Midstate01
Mooney44Cards;1179720 wrote:What are you even talking about, I was throwing out examples of how long it took 3 of the better pitchers in the game to come into their own, basically expanding upon the point that thavoice made.
I wasn't defending an opinion, I was throwing out facts in what had become a discussion about pitchers' career progression.
Game 3 is today. Move on brah. -
se-alum
Costanzo has 3000+ PA's as a pro w/ a .259 average. Safe to say we know what he is.Mooney44Cards;1179689 wrote:Well, I didn't "take offense", I called you out for something you said and you got all butt hurt because you couldn't admit that it was a pretty dumb thing to say, given the circumstances. I have since given further evidence as to why it wasn't a very good opinion, yet all you (and others) do is mock me. I get it, you don't like the way I post.....there's a whole fucking thread in the basement for making fun of me so take it there and quit shitting up threads that are supposed to be about baseball. I have not insulted you once, merely your one opinion. If me calling out your opinion upset you that much that you felt the need to continually mock me, then you have the problem not me.
And since we're all having such a laugh wondering how many plate appearances it takes until you can read anything into a player's stats, here you go:
Offense Statistics:- 50 PA: Swing%
- 100 PA: Contact Rate
- 150 PA: Strikeout Rate, Line Drive Rate, Pitches/PA
- 200 PA: Walk Rate, Ground Ball Rate, GB/FB
- 250 PA: Fly Ball Rate
- 300 PA: Home Run Rate, HR/FB
- 500 PA: OBP, SLG, OPS, 1B Rate, Popup Rate
- 550 PA: ISO
- 150 BF – K/PA, grounder rate, line drive rate
- 200 BF – flyball rate, GB/FB
- 500 BF – K/BB, pop up rate
- 550 BF – BB/PA
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justincredible
I'm more concerned with OBP (it's far, far more important than AVG) and his is pretty decent for his career.se-alum;1179732 wrote:Costanzo has 3000+ PA's as a pro w/ a .259 average. Safe to say we know what he is. -
Mooney44Cards
This is why basing assessments of players on batting average is so dumb. He bats around .350 off RHP. He will face NOTHING but RHP with the Reds. That's not too terrible for a guy who is never going to be anything more than a temporary bat off the bench. He's also been more productive at the plate in his small sample size than either of Willie Harris or Wilson Valdez. We're not talking about a great prospect in waiting, we're talking about a BENCH player.se-alum;1179732 wrote:Costanzo has 3000+ PA's as a pro w/ a .259 average. Safe to say we know what he is. -
jordo212000
Costanzo = bad. I don't care about the small sample size. -
Midstate01
jordo212000;1179923 wrote:Costanzo = bad. I don't care about the small sample size.
You're not smart enough to have this opinion
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justincredible
Midstate:
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Midstate01
justincredible;1179941 wrote:Midstate:
http://db.tt/KlkxhYru
Pretty sure that's not it. I think the c is white. -
justincredible
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wildcats20
You take weird pictures. -
justincredible
wildcats20;1179950 wrote:You take weird pictures.
Why? -
wildcats20
Why not just take it straight on?
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justincredible
wildcats20;1179952 wrote:Why not just take it straight on?
Because I don't want to bend down and who cares, it's not a picture I'm keeping? -
justincredible
I'll go take some with instagram if you want.
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wildcats20
I'm just giving you shit. Damn thin skinner.
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Midstate01
That grey is much darker. It's light, almost silver
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thavoice
The thing anymore is that MOST pitchers, hell, most players, dont get a whole lot of time to prove their worth at the ML level. Of course, the more they have invested in you with a high pick, large bonus, can buy ya more time but many just dont really get a good chance. Hell...look at Heisey. He was a very good minor league player. Was one of their top prospects....think even won some award and he cannot get any regular PT to see what he can doMooney44Cards;1179720 wrote:What are you even talking about, I was throwing out examples of how long it took 3 of the better pitchers in the game to come into their own, basically expanding upon the point that thavoice made.
I wasn't defending an opinion, I was throwing out facts in what had become a discussion about pitchers' career progression.