Grade the Browns 2012 Draft

• Y-Town Steelhound

  

  Skyhook79;1159175 wrote:I like how you ignored your wrong stat you posted. Browns had an easy non Division schedule and went 0-6 in their division.

  Doesn't matter if the games are divisional or non-divisional. The Browns have 3 playoff teams in their division. No other team in the NFL could say that after last season. Yet you don't think those games should "count"? It's almost comical how bad you are at this...
  
  Check the opponents W-L record. 6th best overall winning % in the league last year. Your "weak schedule" argument has absolutely ZERO merit.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  BR1986FB;1159429 wrote:Shurmur had some blunders but I'm also of the belief that it's about execution, not the plays being called. If all players execute properly the plays will work. For the most part this team just had some shitty, stupid players on it. Both the player execution AND Shurmur's in game performance need to improve but I put it more on the players than the coaching.

  I'm sorry BR, just don't buy that. That seems to be an argument that could be made for any play that doesn't work. Its not execution's fault when the opponent knows the next 3 play calls that Shurmur is going to call.
• Skyhook79

  

  Dr. KnOiTaLL;1159192 wrote:The Browns also have one of the best divisions in football. Did they suck last year? Heck yes! That will happen when your RB decides he wants to be in the CIA and you have a QB that can't hit a WR past 15 yards. However, any team would have a very hard time sweeping our division, because aside from the Browns, the other three teams are playoff caliber.
  
  As for the draft, I refer to the previous sentence. When you are not a rebuilding team, you have a lot more freedom to draft for value (BPA) as opposed to drafting for "needs-based value". Playoff caliber teams are generally desirable destinations. Thus, free agents are more willing to sign there and players are more willing to STAY. This creates fewer NEEDS and allows the team to upgrade positions as opposed to filling holes through the draft. Again, I admit wholeheartedly that the Browns were awful last year, and basically have been since they returned, but based on their position, they had a pretty solid draft.

  Ravens did last year and the Bengals did it 2009. Must not be that difficult.
• like_that

  

  Skyhook79;1159485 wrote:Ravens did last year and the Bengals did it 2009. Must not be that difficult.

  Link to the Ravens saying it was easy to sweep?
• Skyhook79

  

  like_that;1159497 wrote:Link to the Ravens saying it was easy to sweep?

  Link to me saying the Ravens said it was easy?
  
  2 teams have done it in the last 3 years. Must not be that difficult. I tried to type slower for you.
• SportsAndLady

  

  Commander of Awesome;1159273 wrote:WRs will still probably be an issue this season. Browns just cant seem to get that position right. I'm certainly not banking on Carlton Mitchell to all of a sudden figure it out and see the field (or for Patty Boy to get his head out of ass for that matter when calling games).

  That literally pisses me off.
  
  I just don't understand it. YOU KNOW YOUR WRS HAVE SUCKED. Why not improve them, even slightly? Even if it's adding Jones from Houston, that's a HUGE improvement and shows everyone that you at least acknolwedge the fact that our WR core needs help.
  
  I don't give a shit how successful Holmgren or Shurmur or whoever was before they were here with no stud WRs. The best teams have good WRs, how about you look at that Holmgren?
• like_that

  

  dumbasshook79;1159505 wrote:Link to me saying the Ravens said it was easy?
  
  2 teams have done it in the last 3 years. Must not be that difficult. I tried to type slower for you.

  Just because it has happened twice in the last 3 years, doesn't mean it wasn't difficult for the team to do it. It is quite a feat. Not surprised that went over your head though.
  
  We are still waiting on your fail response regarding the defense/easy schedule. Typical failhook tactic to try to change the subject when you are getting pwned with facts.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  like_that;1159515 wrote:Just because it has happened twice in the last 3 years, doesn't mean it wasn't difficult for the team to do it. It is quite a feat. Not surprised that went over your head though.
  
  We are still waiting on your fail response regarding the defense/easy schedule. Typical failhook tactic to try to change the subject when you are getting pwned with facts.

  Two teams made it to the SB this season, two in the same year! Must not be that difficult to do. /failhook
• like_that

  

  Commander of Awesome;1159526 wrote:Two teams made it to the SB this season, two in the same year! Must not be that difficult to do. /failhook

  98 teams have played in the Super Bowl, most not be too difficult. /failhook
• Commander of Awesome

  

  like_that;1159527 wrote:98 teams have played in the Super Bowl, most not be too difficult. /failhook

  5 NFL all pro lineman, must not be too difficult. /failhook
• Skyhook79

  

  Commander of Awesome;1159526 wrote:Two teams made it to the SB this season, two in the same year! Must not be that difficult to do. /failhook

  2 teams go to the Super Bowl every year since 1967 regardless of whether they sweep their division, won-loss record or not. Nice fail analogy.
• Skyhook79

  

  like_that;1159527 wrote:98 teams have played in the Super Bowl, most not be too difficult. /failhook

  Another fail analogy. Not surprised.
• Skyhook79

  

  Commander of Awesome;1159546 wrote:5 NFL all pro lineman, must not be too difficult. /failhook

  Another fail analogy. Not surprised.
• like_that

  

  Commander of Awesome;1159546 wrote:5 NFL all pro lineman, must not be too difficult. /failhook

  12 teams make the playoffs ever year. Must not be too difficult. /failhook
• like_that

  

  Commander of Awesome;1159546 wrote:5 NFL all pro lineman, must not be too difficult. /failhook

  Brett Favre won 3 consecutive MVPs. Must not be too difficult. /failhook
• Commander of Awesome

  

  like_that;1159552 wrote:12 teams make the playoffs ever year. Must not be too difficult. /failhook

  3 QBs threw for 5,000 yards last season. Must not be too difficult. /failhook.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  like_that;1159555 wrote:Brett Favre won 3 consecutive MVPs. Must not be too difficult. /failhook

  8 teams win a division every season. Must not be too difficult. /failhook.
• like_that

  

  Commander of Awesome;1159556 wrote:3 QBs threw for 5,000 yards last season. Must not be too difficult. /failhook.

  14 players rushed over 1000 yards last season. Must not be too difficult. /failhook
• Commander of Awesome

  

  like_that;1159558 wrote:14 players rushed over 1000 yards last season. Must not be too difficult. /failhook

  19 players had over 1000 receiving yards last season. Must not be too difficult. /failhook
• like_that

  

  Commander of Awesome;1159557 wrote:8 teams win a division every season. Must not be too difficult. /failhook.

  4 teams win a wildcard spot every season. Must not be too difficult. /failhook
• BR1986FB

  Commander of Awesome;1159479 wrote:I'm sorry BR, just don't buy that. That seems to be an argument that could be made for any play that doesn't work. Its not execution's fault when the opponent knows the next 3 play calls that Shurmur is going to call.

  Might want to take that up with Shawn Lauvao since he was tipping off the plays for opponents.
• OneBuckeye

  

  BR1986FB;1159562 wrote:Might want to take that up with Shawn Lauvao since he was tipping off the plays for opponents.

  How does a RG do that. I would seriously like to know.
• like_that

  

  OneBuckeye;1159589 wrote:How does a RG do that. I would seriously like to know.

  My guess leaning forward heavily on his hand for a run, and lightly touching the ground with his hand on a pass. Many ways a RG can tip off a play. Once an LBer figures it out, he can key on that RG all day and have a pwn day.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  Or he can be like Seneca Wallace (a total game throwing POS) and just tell the dline what the play is.
• slcoach

  First of all just let me state that I hate the Browns. Now that we have that out of the way......
  
  I don't think they had a terrible draft. I do think that the Weeden pick is just terrible. Just because he may be a slight upgrade it does not justify the pick. There are very few quarterbacks that come in a rip it up early. Look at who's done that recently. Cam Newton did it with unbelievable athleticism and a guy named Steve Smith. Matt Ryan had a good rookie year with Roddy White. As a Bengal fan, Andy Daulton was way above average last season but I know that a lot of that was how great A.J. Green was.
  
  From a fan of another team, who hears a lot about the Browns, (My father-in-law is a huge Browns fan) I just don't see any type of plan for the passing attack in a league that centers around that part of the game. As it stands now, the corners in the division (Jimmy Smith, Lardarius Webb, Leon Hall (if healthy) Terrance Newman, Pacman Jones, Dre Kirkpatrick, Ike Taylor among others) can matchup without needing help against the joke of a receiver core the Browns put out there. This leaves the safety's to cover the tight ends and leaves the linebackers in the box and will cause problems for Richardson. I just don't feel like they have given Weeden much to work with and even if he develops, I can't see him playing more than 5-6 years. I takes an unreal talent and a special offensive line to keep a quarterback effective into his late 30's.