2012 Cleveland Browns thread: AKA Pat Shurmur Memorial thread

• BR1986FB

  se-alum;1076859 wrote:After watching the Giants and their receivers last night, it just reaffirmed how bad the Browns WRs are. There's nobody on our roster that makes the catch Manningham made, and he's the 3rd option. Nicks and Cruz catch everything in their general vicinity. Browns WR's have perfect passes bounce off their chests.

  I thought Manningham might be an option in FA but after that catch, kinda like Flynn's 6 TD performance, his stock/price probably just went up. And the thing that is funny is that none of them are a legit #1. All are very good options but no true #1 in that group.
• bases_loaded

  

  Nicks is a #1
• BR1986FB

  I wouldn't really consider him one. Victor Cruz isn't necessarily a #1 and his stats dwarf Nicks'. Usually your #1 is getting the lion's share of the catches/yardage.
• Y-Town Steelhound

  

  BR1986FB;1076886 wrote:I wouldn't really consider him one. Victor Cruz isn't necessarily a #1 and his stats dwarf Nicks'. Usually your #1 is getting the lion's share of the catches/yardage.

  That's just the way they distribute balls in their offense but that doesn't mean that Nicks isn't a #1. Similar situation with Colston in NO.
• BR1986FB

  Y-Town Steelhound;1076895 wrote:That's just the way they distribute balls in their offense but that doesn't mean that Nicks isn't a #1. Similar situation with Colston in NO.

  Colston isn't really a #1 either. Both of those offenses, along with the Packers, have a bunch of really good receivers, none of which I'd call a true #1 like a Megatron, Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, etc.
  
  That's why I don't think it's necessary for the Browns to get a true #1. Get a bunch of nice, capable receivers who have some speed, can CATCH and get a little separation, consistently, and they'll be fine.
• Y-Town Steelhound

  

  BR1986FB;1076901 wrote:Colston isn't really a #1 either. Both of those offenses, along with the Packers, have a bunch of really good receivers, none of which I'd call a true #1 like a Megatron, Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, etc.
  
  That's why I don't think it's necessary for the Browns to get a true #1. Get a bunch of nice, capable receivers who have some speed, can CATCH and get a little separation, consistently, and they'll be fine.

  You don't consider Jennings a #1 either? I think you're considering #1 with "elite receiver". You don't have to be a top 5 receiver in the league to be a #1.
• bases_loaded

  

  A #1 is going to go against their #1 CB all game and put up numbers.
  
  Nicks, Jennings, and Austin are #1s. Cruz, white guy I can't remember, and Bryant are 2s that get theirs bc of the attention the 1s get.
  
  Megatron, Fitz, and AJ are elite guys that put up numbers while getting double teamed bc they lack a 2
• Rotinaj

  

  Hell, Cruz and Nicks are both #1's in my book.
• sleeper

  

  BR1986FB;1076861 wrote:I thought Manningham might be an option in FA but after that catch, kinda like Flynn's 6 TD performance, his stock/price probably just went up. And the thing that is funny is that none of them are a legit #1. All are very good options but no true #1 in that group.

  BR, I'm curious, can you name who is a #1? I feel like every receiver is not a true #1 to you, but if Nicks isn't then I have no idea who is.
• BR1986FB

  sleeper;1076949 wrote:BR, I'm curious, can you name who is a #1? I feel like every receiver is not a true #1 to you, but if Nicks isn't then I have no idea who is.

  I already did a few posts up.
• sleeper

  

  BR1986FB;1076964 wrote:I already did a few posts up.

  So you have to be a top 3 WR to be a true #1?
  
  LOL
• lhslep134

  

  Y-Town Steelhound;1076903 wrote: You don't have to be a top 5 receiver in the league to be a #1.

  EXACTLY. Nicks is a #1.
• shook_17

  

  ^^^ id say nicks is their number 1, cruz 2 and manningham is their slot. or you could flip cruz and manningham
• DeyDurkie5

  

  who gives a shit about who's a number 1...if they can catch the ball, and get separation, put them on the browns
• BR1986FB

  DeyDurkie5;1077148 wrote:who gives a shit about who's a number 1...if they can catch the ball, and get separation, put them on the browns

  Exactly. I don't think they need a true #1, just guys that can do what you mentioned.
• SportsAndLady

  

  hicks isn't a #1? lulz
• Commander of Awesome

  

  BR1986FB;1076901 wrote:
  That's why I don't think it's necessary for the Browns to get a true #1. Get a bunch of nice, capable receivers who have some speed, can CATCH and get a little separation, consistently, and they'll be fine.

  We also need a QB that can get the ball to these nice capable receivers.
• BR1986FB

  Commander of Awesome;1078055 wrote:We also need a QB that can get the ball to these nice capable receivers.

  No doubt. I'm not necessarily of the belief they should sell the farm to move up for RG3 but if they think he's "the guy?" I'm sure the NYG's aren't too disappointed in what they gave up for Eli Manning right now.
  
  To be honest, if they get their QB in place this year I'd have no issue with them earmarking their 2nd & 3rd round picks, for the next few years, on DT/DE/WR. Use the 1st rounder on DB's or OL. Drafting a D-Lineman and a WR in the 2nd/3rd rounds over the next couple of years would probably develop a solid rotation.
  
  I'm of the firm belief that passing the ball/protecting the QB and rushing the passer are the way that the league is going. Running the ball isn't nearly as important as it used to be, unfortunately.
• shook_17

  

  ^^ word. just get us our qb.
  
  what are the odds of RGIII winning over isray and the colts. take him and let him sit behind manning for 3 years? luck falls to 2nd overall? both 1st's this year and next years 1st get luck i bet
• BR1986FB

  shook_17;1078275 wrote:^^ word. just get us our qb.
  
  what are the odds of RGIII winning over isray and the colts. take him and let him sit behind manning for 3 years? luck falls to 2nd overall? both 1st's this year and next years 1st get luck i bet

  I'm not counting on that.
  
  Even though Manning has said that he'll restructure and make his contract "team friendly" so he can stay with the Colts, I think that was lip service.
  
  If they want RG3 the best they can hope for is that Flynn goes to MIA, Manning becomes free and goes to Washington and RG3 drops to #4. If that happens, the front office is going to be in a pickle. Some in Berea love him while others aren't so high on him. If they were to trade down to the Seahawks and then draft an O-Lineman I think the fan base would be furious.
• shook_17

  

  ^^ just wishful thinking. i was reading an article though saying if pat shurmur, holmgren, and brad childress cant figure out our qb problem, we should just give up, and hope for tebow in free agency! lol. this shit is getting old, i want a damn winning team to root for on sundays.
• BR1986FB

  shook_17;1078293 wrote: this shit is getting old, i want a damn winning team to root for on sundays.

  Agreed. I think we all do.
• sleeper

  

  I wouldn't mind trading both of our 1sts for Peyton Manning. Manning can take crap receivers and make them into pro-bowlers. Grab an impact LB in the 2nd round, and boom we have a contender.
• shook_17

  

  ^^ no. i don't want a team to just compete for 3 years then fall off the side of the earth. id rather save my picks and draft players that are young and going to be around for awhile.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  BR1986FB;1078286 wrote:If they were to trade down to the Seahawks and then draft an O-Lineman I think the fan base would be furious.

  Which Olineman? They get Decastro I'd be happy. Telling you guys, DUDE IS A BEAST. He's the Gronk of OGs.