NFL Attendance

• SportsAndLady

  

  The reds don't "consistently pack the stadium"
  
  Reds fans don't really show up to gabp either..its sad, they have a good team and you'll still find sections completely empty.
  
  They aren't even close to St Louis fans
• jordo212000

  

  SportsAndLady;1027042 wrote:The reds don't "consistently pack the stadium"
  
  Reds fans don't really show up to gabp either..its sad, they have a good team and you'll still find sections completely empty.
  
  They aren't even close to St Louis fans

  Yeah definitely would not put Reds fans up there with Cardinal fans. But the Cincy is definitely a Reds town. The team averaged more than 27k per game last season. That's middle of the pack in baseball. Not great, but not terrible either. I'd be inclined to bet that the number will edge up a little closer to 30k a game next season
• Laley23

  

  Cincy is a solid town for baseball. They know the Reds and support them. But St. Louis is probably #1 in the MLB...at least in the convo. Cincy isnt.
• SportsAndLady

  

  Not saying cinci isnt a reds town or that the fans are bad or anything..just wanted to make the point that its a) not as much as a baseball town as stl and b) gabp isnt consistently full
• jordo212000

  

  SportsAndLady;1027055 wrote:Not saying cinci isnt a reds town or that the fans are bad or anything..just wanted to make the point that its a) not as much as a baseball town as stl and b) gabp isnt consistently full

  the guy who was saying that is not a Reds fan (I think?)
• Classyposter58

  

  jordo212000;1027059 wrote:the guy who was saying that is not a Reds fan (I think?)

  Nahh I'm a Tigers fan but it is a nice baseball town and whenever I've been to GABP it's been pretty full
• GoPens

  

  like_that;1026772 wrote:If the Browns won the SB this year I would be saying the same thing. Why would I be jealous? I don't need to cling onto a winning team that I have no connection to because I am weak minded, and need a sense of some type of glory.
  
  Nice to see you get butt hurt over the comment. If you think the rednecks in Ohio are real pburgh fans you are kidding yourself. If you think the pburgh fans who "travel" out west to watch the steelers play are real pburgh fans, you are also kidding yourself.
  
  I am willing to bet real pburgh fans dislike the idiot redneck "fans" who have absolutely no connection to the state of Pennsylvania, let alone the city of pittsburgh. In fact i know real steelers fans who hate those type of people. I know it was annoying to deal with lebron "fans" when the Cavs were successful, and I know they wouldn't have felt the same pride if the Cavs won the title as real Cleveland fans would have.
  
  Now cue the typical (insert story on why so and so has always been a fan), the "you are just jealous," or "why are you so concerned with who people root for" responses. I just call it like it is.

  
  You're entitled to your opinion, as asinine as I think it is, but again, using an invisible state line to determine who you must be a fan of is just plain stupid. I'm closer to Pittsburgh than Cleveland. What is so hard about that to understand? I'm not a redneck, not weak minded and would be a fan even if Pittsburgh teams had a record of mediocrity and downright shittiness like Cleveland. If because of all that you say I'm not a real fan then you're full of shit. I love those who use the state line argument. If that's the case, then everyone who lives in NYC MUST be a fan of the Buffalo Bills, not the New Jersey Giants and Jets. Am I supposed to be a Columbus Blue Jacket fan instead of a Penguin fan just because they're in Ohio even though they're 3 hours away vs. 1 hour away?
  
  I'm a fan of all professional teams in Pittsburgh (yes, even the Pirates) and have been all my life. My first professional game was a Pirates game when I was 7. Willie Stargell hit an upper deck homer at 3-Rivers and he was my favorite player of all time (still is). One of my earliest memories is sitting in the back seat of our car, driving through the Fort Pitt tunnel and seeing the city appear before my eyes. It stuck with me.
  
  If that makes me a redneck bandwagoner, then go fuck yourself.
  
  There's the typical story you were looking for. I'm sure it's very similar as to why you're a fan of whoever you are a fan of.
  
  Sorry, I just call it like it is. (And no, I'm not butt hurt, but I am laughing my ass off on why people like you keep spewing the same bandwagoner shit. But as we all know, it's because those who yell "bandwagon" usually like teams that suck year in and year out. It allows those people to take on the martyr role or we're the "real fans" role because we still love our team even though they're horrible. And I say that as a "bandwagon" Pirate fan.)
  
  Now cue more typical, witty bandwagon shit on us please...
• jordo212000

  

  What's the deal with Cleveland guys running around calling everybody bandwagon fans tonight?
• Terry_Tate

  

  I believe the Bengals had a streak of 40 something straight games sold out from 2005 to whenever, so it's been shown that when the Bengals are winning the fans will come, but I think after last year with Chad and Carson, and then bringing back Marvin Lewis(which I was 100% for, even though most people I know hated it), a lot of fans said they were done with the Bengals. The Marvin Lewis thing just blows my mind, because while I don't think he's an upper echelon(top 5) coach, I don't think the Bengals can do much better than him. He brought the team from nothing to division champs, then dismantled the team and did it again. It's a joke that more people don't go to the games, even though the bars in Cincinnati are packed on Sundays(when they're out of town or on the rare occasion they're sold out) and based on my Facebook feed there's a ton of people watching/listening. It's one thing if they suck and the fans want to protest the ownership, but it's another when they're actually winning and fans still don't come out. The players and coaches deserve much better than what they are getting. I can't afford season tickets, and also I love sitting on my couch watching Redzone, so that's why I don't go to more games, but honestly I don't get why there isn't more support than there is.
• killer_ewok

  

  GoPens;1027102 wrote:You're entitled to your opinion, as asinine as I think it is, but again, using an invisible state line to determine who you must be a fan of is just plain stupid. I'm closer to Pittsburgh than Cleveland. What is so hard about that to understand? I'm not a redneck, not weak minded and would be a fan even if Pittsburgh teams had a record of mediocrity and downright shittiness like Cleveland. If because of all that you say I'm not a real fan then you're full of shit. I love those who use the state line argument. If that's the case, then everyone who lives in NYC MUST be a fan of the Buffalo Bills, not the New Jersey Giants and Jets. Am I supposed to be a Columbus Blue Jacket fan instead of a Penguin fan just because they're in Ohio even though they're 3 hours away vs. 1 hour away?
  
  I'm a fan of all professional teams in Pittsburgh (yes, even the Pirates) and have been all my life. My first professional game was a Pirates game when I was 7. Willie Stargell hit an upper deck homer at 3-Rivers and he was my favorite player of all time (still is). One of my earliest memories is sitting in the back seat of our car, driving through the Fort Pitt tunnel and seeing the city appear before my eyes. It stuck with me.
  
  If that makes me a redneck bandwagoner, then go fuck yourself.
  
  There's the typical story you were looking for. I'm sure it's very similar as to why you're a fan of whoever you are a fan of.
  
  Sorry, I just call it like it is. (And no, I'm not butt hurt, but I am laughing my ass off on why people like you keep spewing the same bandwagoner shit. But as we all know, it's because those who yell "bandwagon" usually like teams that suck year in and year out. It allows those people to take on the martyr role or we're the "real fans" role because we still love our team even though they're horrible. And I say that as a "bandwagon" Pirate fan.)
  
  Now cue more typical, witty bandwagon shit on us please...

  
  +1, REPS.
  
  Now cue the "cue the", "fail," "QQ" somehow being (not so) cleverly incorporated into our names, "smug," "POS," "bandwagon," "redneck," "frontrunner," "inbred," " shitsburgh" comments being included in the next response. Oh, almost forgot the obligatory "not surprised that went over your head" retort.
• jordo212000

  

  Terry_Tate;1027120 wrote:I believe the Bengals had a streak of 40 something straight games sold out from 2005 to whenever, so it's been shown that when the Bengals are winning the fans will come, but I think after last year with Chad and Carson, and then bringing back Marvin Lewis(which I was 100% for, even though most people I know hated it), a lot of fans said they were done with the Bengals. The Marvin Lewis thing just blows my mind, because while I don't think he's an upper echelon(top 5) coach, I don't think the Bengals can do much better than him. He brought the team from nothing to division champs, then dismantled the team and did it again. It's a joke that more people don't go to the games, even though the bars in Cincinnati are packed on Sundays(when they're out of town or on the rare occasion they're sold out) and based on my Facebook feed there's a ton of people watching/listening. It's one thing if they suck and the fans want to protest the ownership, but it's another when they're actually winning and fans still don't come out. The players and coaches deserve much better than what they are getting. I can't afford season tickets, and also I love sitting on my couch watching Redzone, so that's why I don't go to more games, but honestly I don't get why there isn't more support than there is.

  
  Well said. I went to handful of Reds games this year, but didn't get to go to a Bengal game this year. Living close to Athens, it is a haul to get out to Cincy. If I was in town, I would go to at least 3-4 games a year
• Terry_Tate

  

  Also, Cleveland fans who root for the Indians and rip on Bengals fans are hypocrites IMO. It might be unfair to compare different sports, but Cleveland has struggled with attendance for the Indians as well and complain about their ownership. It's a similar situation albeit with difference sports. I'm not taking away from the Bengals attendance issues as they are a joke, but to act like Cleveland fans are the most loyal fans ever is ridiculous, even though they obviously support the Browns no matter what, which I applaud.
• jordo212000

  

  Terry_Tate;1027126 wrote:Also, Cleveland fans who root for the Indians and rip on Bengals fans are hypocrites IMO. It might be unfair to compare different sports, but Cleveland has struggled with attendance for the Indians as well and complain about their ownership. It's a similar situation albeit with difference sports. I'm not taking away from the Bengals attendance issues as they are a joke, but to act like Cleveland fans are the most loyal fans ever is ridiculous, even though they obviously support the Browns no matter what, which I applaud.

  
  Exactly what I said earlier. The irony is too much from those guys haha
• ytownfootball

  

  Terry_Tate;1027126 wrote:Also, Cleveland fans who root for the Indians and rip on Bengals fans are hypocrites IMO. It might be unfair to compare different sports, but Cleveland has struggled with attendance for the Indians as well and complain about their ownership. It's a similar situation albeit with difference sports. I'm not taking away from the Bengals attendance issues as they are a joke, but to act like Cleveland fans are the most loyal fans ever is ridiculous, even though they obviously support the Browns no matter what, which I applaud.

  
  Yeah the different sports is kinda hard to compare and I don't begrudge anyone for not going to games, it's easy to drop 4 bills in a trip...I can't do it very often, once, twice a year max.
• GoPens

  

  jordo212000;1027115 wrote:What's the deal with Cleveland guys running around calling everybody bandwagon fans tonight?

  It's how they justify liking their poor pathetic teams.
• GoPens

  

  killer_ewok;1027122 wrote:+1, REPS.
  
  Now cue the "cue the", "fail," "QQ" somehow being (not so) cleverly incorporated into our names, "smug," "POS," "bandwagon," "redneck," "frontrunner," "inbred," " shitsburgh" comments being included in the next response. Oh, almost forgot the obligatory "not surprised that went over your head" retort.

  I normally wouldn't have responded to their one trick pony responses but damn...that shit gets old day in and day out...
  
  And you're right...those typical witty responses will be coming sure enough.
• Pick6

  

  GoPens;1027130 wrote:It's how they justify liking their poor pathetic teams.

  I only really see like_that calling people bandwagon fans. I only called Jordo it because of his "casual fandom" he is going to be rooting for the Clippers this season.
• GoPens

  

  Terry_Tate;1027126 wrote:Also, Cleveland fans who root for the Indians and rip on Bengals fans are hypocrites IMO. It might be unfair to compare different sports, but Cleveland has struggled with attendance for the Indians as well and complain about their ownership. It's a similar situation albeit with difference sports. I'm not taking away from the Bengals attendance issues as they are a joke, but to act like Cleveland fans are the most loyal fans ever is ridiculous, even though they obviously support the Browns no matter what, which I applaud.

  Reps
• ytownfootball

  

  GoPens;1027130 wrote:It's how they justify liking their poor pathetic teams.

  So how do you justify being a Pirates fan again? Apply the same.
  
  I assume jordo is speaking about me because everyone else has already been on board speaking about bandwagoners, I rarely have so...just relating how it was for me in the 70's seeing a bunch of 12 year olds changing teams when the steelers won a few, sorry it hurt your feelings.
• 2kool4skool

  

  As long as you stick to one city for all sports, it's not too bad. It's the Steelers/Yankees, Cowboys/Lakers, etc. combinations that make you a low life.
  
  This includes people that are Duke Basketball/OSU football fans and other college combos too.
• GoPens

  

  Pick6;1027132 wrote:I only really see like_that calling people bandwagon fans. I only called Jordo it because of his "casual fandom" he is going to be rooting for the Clippers this season.

  The definition of "bandwagon" is someone who constantly changes their loyalty to teams that are winning, not someone who's been a fan of a same city's teams for for 20, 30, or 40 years, but that fact continuously goes over some peoples heads. And on this site it comes from the same Cleveland fans, time and time again.
• GoPens

  

  ytownfootball;1027134 wrote:So how do you justify being a Pirates fan again? Apply the same.
  
  I assume jordo is speaking about me because everyone else has already been on board speaking about bandwagoners, I rarely have so...just relating how it was for me in the 70's seeing a bunch of 12 year olds changing teams when the steelers won a few, sorry it hurt your feelings.

  The difference is, I've been suffering with the Pirates for 20 years now, and still am, and still probably will be for the next 20. During that time I didn't feel the need to call Indian fans bandwagoners during the 90's (although where are they all now), nor Cavs fans bandwagoners (during the LBJ years, and we'll see how filled the Q is over the next few years). The insecurity of some of these posters is almost laughable if it wasn't so pathetic.
  
  Why the resentment over who likes who? Especially when you've been a fan of that team (or in my case, city) since you can remember and it's been the only team (or city) you've ever rooted for?
• Terry_Tate

  

  2kool4skool;1027135 wrote:As long as you stick to one city for all sports, it's not too bad. It's the Steelers/Yankees, Cowboys/Lakers, etc. combinations that make you a low life.
  
  This includes people that are Duke Basketball/OSU football fans and other college combos too.

  I generally agree with this, but I would never just randomly rip someone for that. The problem I have is if someone is a Duke basketball/USC football fan, or UK basketball-LSU football fan and proceed to talk to me about how each team is better than Ohio State's basketball and football team respectively. I don't have any respect for anyone who does that because it's a lot easier to root for winners at 2 schools than to just stick with one school in both and hope they're good.
• ytownfootball

  

  GoPens;1027138 wrote: Why the resentment over who likes who? Especially when you've been a fan of that team (or in my case, city) since you can remember and it's been the only team (or city) you've ever rooted for?

  Speaking only for myself, I can't stand disloyalty and witnessing it as a kid really pissed me off, I guess because they only changed to be on the winning side and have the rubbing it in your face rights associated with 12 year old behavior. Lifers I got no beef with, but when someone says "well I used to like...." the sound of the Family Feud wrong answer buzzer goes off in my head.
• GoPens

  

  That I can understand, changing like that.