Cleveland Cavaliers 11-12 season thread
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hoops23
Magic was 6'9'' 255 playing PG. That sounds like an athletic freak to me. -
robj55
I'm comparing them head to head, I said earlier Lebron would eat Magic alive and I stand by that. Lebron would lock Magic down and Magic wouldn't be able to guard him. You think Magic could lock down someone like DRose, no way.hoops23;1078632 wrote:What does that have to do with anything? You're pulling **** out of your ass...
If athletes are superior today then it's all fair game, is it not? Magic played in the 80's with athletes similar to him (though Magic was a freak) and LBJ is playing in today's game with athletes similar to him (though he is a freak as well)...
That point is seriously stupid. -
Y-Town Steelhound
For instance, if LeBron had to play in Chuck Taylors instead of his specially designed Nike war boots he probably would've experienced quite a few more ankle injuries. -
robj55
Fair point, I said earlier it's hard to compare players from different eras.Heretic;1078638 wrote:To counterpoint that argument: If LeBron was a player in that era, he wouldn't have access to all the physical training techniques and improvements that players of today had. And if Magic played now, he would have access to all that.
So I don't know that you can say a player is better because of their era, as it ignores the fact that everyone in a particular era is playing by the same rules and if they were transplanted to another era, they'd be using the techniques of that era. -
Heretic
Which puts them at even. The 7 rebs cancel each other out, Lebron scores eight more a game and Magic's four extra assists provides for a matching eight.robj55;1078634 wrote:Magic is 19,11, and 7 for his career. Lebron is 27,7 and 7. -
sleeper
It's a lot easier to stand out as a freak in the 80's because your competition was terrible than it is now when your competition are all freaks, its much more difficult.Heretic;1078638 wrote:To counterpoint that argument: If LeBron was a player in that era, he wouldn't have access to all the physical training techniques and improvements that players of today had. And if Magic played now, he would have access to all that.
So I don't know that you can say a player is better because of their era, as it ignores the fact that everyone in a particular era is playing by the same rules and if they were transplanted to another era, they'd be using the techniques of that era. -
hoops23
LeBron couldn't lock down Paul Pierce, yet he's going to lock down Magic... LOLrobj55;1078640 wrote:I'm comparing them head to head, I said earlier Lebron would eat Magic alive and I stand by that. Lebron would lock Magic down and Magic wouldn't be able to guard him. You think Magic could lock down someone like DRose, no way. -
robj55
Fair pointY-Town Steelhound;1078635 wrote:Ok, but you can also play the other side of that argument. I would argue if the 80s players had access to the supplements, workouts, equipment (shoes, uniforms), travel amenities, and other technological advantages today's athlete has that they would pretty much close that gap. It's all relative. -
Commander of Awesome
So LBJ is a better finisher at the rim and still avgs 48%, Magic avg 52%. Hmmmmm, sounds like a better shooter to me. Nice fail.LBbj'spenisinmymouth55;1078634 wrote:So we base shooting on free throw shooting now? Lebron is a far better jump shooter than Magic ever was and is one of the best finishers around the rim this game has ever seen. 85 is Magic's career%. Magic is 19,11, and 7 for his career. Lebron is 27,7 and 7. -
robj55
Magic Johnson wasn't quick bro, not in any sense of the word.hoops23;1078645 wrote:LeBron couldn't lock down Paul Pierce, yet he's going to lock down Magic... LOL -
hoops23
McD's must've given you the day off today... Either that or you're throwing back that pink slime again. Enjoy!sleeper;1078644 wrote:It's a lot easier to stand out as a freak in the 80's because your competition was terrible than it is now when your competition are all freaks, its much more difficult. -
Commander of Awesome
Magic got 7 rebs in 4 less minutes per game. If you take their per 36 min, Magic beats LBJ in every category except pts.Heretic;1078643 wrote:Which puts them at even. The 7 rebs cancel each other out, Lebron scores eight more a game and Magic's four extra assists provides for a matching eight. -
robj55
I'm supposed to respect someone's opinion on basketball that has a name "Commander of Awesome"? Go back to playing WOW.Commander of Awesome;1078647 wrote:So LBJ is a better finisher at the rim and still avgs 48%, Magic avg 52%. Hmmmmm, sounds like a better shooter to me. Nice fail. -
Y-Town Steelhound
If being a good basketball player was solely based on athletic ability, Christian Eyenga would be an All-Star.sleeper;1078644 wrote:It's a lot easier to stand out as a freak in the 80's because your competition was terrible than it is now when your competition are all freaks, its much more difficult. -
wildcats20
robj55;1078642 wrote:Fair point, I said earlier it's hard to compare players from different eras.
Then why do you keep doing it? -
robj55
But he locked down Derrick Rose..hoops23;1078645 wrote:LeBron couldn't lock down Paul Pierce, yet he's going to lock down Magic... LOL -
robj55
Because they keep pushing itwildcats20;1078653 wrote:Then why do you keep doing it? -
hoops23
bingo. And LeBron would have 5 titles by now.Y-Town Steelhound;1078652 wrote:If being a good basketball player was solely based on athletic ability, Christian Eyenga would be an All-Star. -
Y-Town Steelhound
Also Magic got laid more....so you have to take that into consideration.
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Commander of Awesome
He did? When?robj55;1078654 wrote:But he locked down Derrick Rose.. -
robj55
lol yeah why would any NBA player be in a relationship, mind boggling.Y-Town Steelhound;1078657 wrote:Also Magic got laid more....so you have to take that into consideration. -
robj55
You didn't watch the playoffs last year, I know you did.Commander of Awesome;1078658 wrote:He did? When? -
hoops23
LeBron 6'8 270robj55;1078654 wrote:But he locked down Derrick Rose..
DRose 6'3 190...
I'd hope LBJ could check D Rose for spurts within a game..
So I guess you assume LBJ would shit on MJ as well then? Because Magic and MJ had a few good battles as well.. Even thought Magic's career was winding down.. -
Mulva
Please point out where I stated that what I posted was a fact. I wasn't aware that I needed to preface every opinion I have on a message board with, "Hey guys, the following is about to be my opinion".Y-Town Steelhound;1078564 wrote:Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize Cleveland elected Mulva as spokesperson for all Cleveland fans. I must have missed those elections. Please let me know when the next ones are. In the meantime here's a tip, generalizations are not the same as fact based points.
Also, aren't you the one who claimed that you watch more football than most people on here put together and that DeShaun Thomas would be an ideal fit for the Cavs at 2? GTFO with your nonsense, and then maybe you'll have some room to be giving tips. -
robj55
NO NO NO, a guy who is 6'8'' 260 plus should never be able to stay with a player like Rose, who may be the quickest player in the league and gets in the lane at will, are you serious?hoops23;1078663 wrote:LeBron 6'8 270
DRose 6'3 190...
I'd hope LBJ could check D Rose for spurts within a game..
So I guess you assume LBJ would **** on MJ as well then? Because Magic and MJ had a few good battles as well.. Even thought Magic's career was winding down..