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Peyton Manning

  • Sonofanump
    Fly4Fun;1005491 wrote:Laley is the only colts fan I know of.
    I meant in general, not on the OC.
  • Oldman82
    I say he plays in Dallas. When the Cowboys fail to make the playoffs Jerry Jones makes changes and trades Romo. I think Manning can dictate where he goes and Dallas is close to being a title contender.
  • Fly4Fun
    OSH;1005501 wrote:I can't stand the guy.





    While I wish this were true...I won't think for a minute that Archie won't butt-in any moment that he can.
    I think I've heard him already on Mike and Mike just saying that Peyton is a big boy and understands it's a business. Sounds alright to me.
  • Laley23
    Sonofanump;1005473 wrote:I'd like to know what the Colts fans think if the choice is either / or.
    While still a small sample, most of my friends in Indy (like 8/10 on average) want them to take Luck even if it means Peyton is out. They see how lucky the Colts are in being able to go from Manning to Luck and have close to 30 years of solidity in the QB position. The next generation isnt worth Peytons last 2-4 good years.
  • jordo212000
    They keep both and Peyton restructures his deal. I have a hard time seeing Indy kick Manning to the curb after all these years
  • OSH
    Fly4Fun;1005512 wrote:I think I've heard him already on Mike and Mike just saying that Peyton is a big boy and understands it's a business. Sounds alright to me.
    You can also read the above link where he's made comments too.

    “I don’t think it’d necessarily be great for either one,” Archie Manning told FOX Sports Radio’s Zakk & Jack Show on Tuesday. “I think Andrew’s the type of mature player . . . he can walk right in. I mean, these other three or four guys that are playing this year, [if] they can walk in and contribute, Andrew can, too. . . .

    “We know Andrew well. He comes down to our camp every year. I used to play with his dad [Oliver]. . . . I’m in New York, I heard from him last night. Peyton’s also tried to help Andrew and kind of be a friend. I doubt if either one want to play on the same team.”
    Archie has never been one to shut his yapper. I am just saying, I can see him continuing that yapping. I am not saying that he will, I just wouldn't be surprised if he did.
  • Al Bundy
    Laley23;1005543 wrote:While still a small sample, most of my friends in Indy (like 8/10 on average) want them to take Luck even if it means Peyton is out. They see how lucky the Colts are in being able to go from Manning to Luck and have close to 30 years of solidity in the QB position. The next generation isnt worth Peytons last 2-4 good years.
    Don't you think Luck should play a season (or at least take a snap) before you declare him a solid qb for 15 years. There have been plenty of #1 drafted qbs who haven't lived up to their potential for various reasons.
  • Laley23
    Al Bundy;1005941 wrote:Don't you think Luck should play a season (or at least take a snap) before you declare him a solid qb for 15 years. There have been plenty of #1 drafted qbs who haven't lived up to their potential for various reasons.
    Ok, in theory for 15 years. Reward FAR outweighs the risk.
  • Al Bundy
    Laley23;1005953 wrote:Ok, in theory for 15 years. Reward FAR outweighs the risk.
    I don't know about that. It's a crapshoot. There are as many #1 picks that don't make it as make it. The list of #1 picks that played 15 years with the team that drafted them is very short.
  • 2kool4skool
    Last 7 #1 overall picked QB's

    Sam Bradford
    Matt Stafford
    JaMarcus Russell
    Alex Smith
    Eli Manning
    Carson Palmer
    David Carr

    I wouldn't trade 15 years of any of those guys for 2-3 years of Peyton. Plus you have to factor in they won't simply be trading Luck for Manning, they'd get multiple top picks in the years to come in exchange for the right to Luck.
  • Laley23
    2kool4skool;1006116 wrote:Last 7 #1 overall picked QB's

    Sam Bradford
    Matt Stafford
    JaMarcus Russell
    Alex Smith
    Eli Manning
    Carson Palmer
    David Carr

    I wouldn't trade 15 years of any of those guys for 2-3 years of Peyton. Plus you have to factor in they won't simply be trading Luck for Manning, they'd get multiple top picks in the years to come in exchange for the right to Luck.
    They will get that for Manning also. Not quite as much. But they will get AT LEAST a #1. Possibly 2. Id also easily trade 15 years of Eli for 3 of Peyton. His best days are done. Stafford and Bradford are up in the air, but I wouldnt rule them out.

    Also, it isnt like Andrew Luck isnt the most hyped (I know, hype) player since Elway or Peyton. Point is, 90% of analyst love the guy and his prospect of succeeding. It isnt your typical hype, it seems much more calculated...if that makes sense.
  • IggyPride00
    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/07/colts-cant-pay-and-trade-peyton/

    If the Colts pay Manning that bonus, from what I have read it essentially means they are commiting to him for 2 years.

    ESPN said their cap hit for 2012 would be an astronomical $38.8 million if traded, and then $28.8 million in 2013 if they traded him then. Trading him would destroy their cap, but the only way they can get anything for him is to pay that almost $30 million dollar option bonus.

    I expect Peyton to play hardball and not defer a decision on his option because it will essentially force their hand. No way with that kind of cap hit they draft luck knowing he sits for 2 years because they are stuck with Peyton. Luck is ready to play now, and it is not going to be a comfortable situation if he has to rot on the bench for 2 years biding his time.

    Peyton has made clear (through his father.....who I am sure wasn't speaking off the reservation) he has no interest in mentoring Luck for 2 years instead of having the team use the pick for something that can make a last push to a Super Bowl.

    After reading about the cap implications, picking up his option and trading him is untenable. Passing on Luck for a 2-3 year push is also misguided.

    That being the case I fully expect Peyton to be a free agent next year because the Colts aren't going to pick up that option knowing how it will decimate their cap situation and kill any hope of materially improving the roster.
  • Ironman92
    Luck is as "can't miss as it gets" #1 picks in every sport is hit and miss....but some really aren't...Luck appears to be one of them.
  • Laley23
    Ironman92;1006222 wrote:Luck is as "can't miss as it gets" #1 picks in every sport is hit and miss....but some really aren't...Luck appears to be one of them.
    Thats all Im trying to say. There is always risk. Heck, there might be MORE risk in trusting Peyton to be 100% for the next 3-4 years than drafting Luck. What has the bigger reward. I think it is obvious that taking Luck and possibly having him for 10-15 years is more of a reward than Peyton for 3-4 on the downside of a career when the risks are similar.
  • 2kool4skool
    Ironman92;1006222 wrote:Luck is as "can't miss as it gets" #1 picks in every sport is hit and miss....but some really aren't...Luck appears to be one of them.
    Why do you think that is?

    I've seen nothing from Luck that differentiates him substantially from other "consensus #1's" at quarterback.

    There is no sure thing when it comes to QB's in the NFL. Fewer than 50% of the people declared such ever even make a pro bowl, much less become a HOFer.

    I've never seen people so unquestionably declare a guy "cant miss" as they're doing with Luck. I think he'll be very good, but I've thought that about a lot of guys who haven't panned out in the past. And don't see anything about Luck that makes me think he's SO much different from them.
  • Mulva
    2kool4skool;1006783 wrote:Why do you think that is?

    I've seen nothing from Luck that differentiates him substantially from other "consensus #1's" at quarterback.
    He's the only one who's an offensive coordinator as well as a quarterback.
  • hoops23
    Ironman92;1006222 wrote:Luck is as "can't miss as it gets" #1 picks in every sport is hit and miss....but some really aren't...Luck appears to be one of them.
    I'll just say I disagree and that he, IMO, won;t even be the best QB in this class.
  • 2kool4skool
    Mulva;1006794 wrote:He's the only one who's an offensive coordinator as well as a quarterback.
    Who cares, he'll run the plays his offensive coordinator calls in the pros anyway.

    He's a really intelligent guy, but so was/is Alex Smith.
  • hoops23
    Mulva;1006794 wrote:He's the only one who's an offensive coordinator as well as a quarterback.
    Over-exaggerated. He recently talked with Steve Young and mentioned that he has 3 formations with 3 plays each to audible into.

    It's not like he has the complete freedom to call every single play his team runs.
  • said_aouita
    2kool4skool;1006116 wrote:Last 7 #1 overall picked QB's

    Sam Bradford
    Matt Stafford
    JaMarcus Russell
    Alex Smith
    Eli Manning
    Carson Palmer
    David Carr

    I wouldn't trade 15 years of any of those guys for 2-3 years of Peyton. Plus you have to factor in they won't simply be trading Luck for Manning, they'd get multiple top picks in the years to come in exchange for the right to Luck.
    Maybe other then Eli, Luck is the most groomed QB coming out of college out on this list.

    I know nothing about him but I heard Luck's dad also was a NFL QB?
  • Commander of Awesome
    7th December, 2011 - 6:31 pmNFL.com - The concept of trading quarterback Peyton Manning would be a costly one for the Colts.

    The Indianapolis Star reports that if the Colts retained Manning for 2012, then shipped him to another team, they would absorb a $28.8 million cap hit that year.

    If Manning remains with the Colts through the 2013 season, and then is traded, the team would absorb an immediate $19.2 million cap hit.

    Any scenario that includes paying Manning his March option bonus and then trading him away would generate a $38.8 million cap hit.
  • BR1986FB
    2kool4skool;1006116 wrote:Last 7 #1 overall picked QB's

    Sam Bradford
    Matt Stafford
    JaMarcus Russell
    Alex Smith
    Eli Manning
    Carson Palmer
    David Carr

    I wouldn't trade 15 years of any of those guys for 2-3 years of Peyton. Plus you have to factor in they won't simply be trading Luck for Manning, they'd get multiple top picks in the years to come in exchange for the right to Luck.
    Wasn't Cam Newton a #1 overall pick?
  • se-alum
    hoops23;1006804 wrote:Over-exaggerated. He recently talked with Steve Young and mentioned that he has 3 formations with 3 plays each to audible into.

    It's not like he has the complete freedom to call every single play his team runs.
    That gives you pretty much all the options you need. There's only so many audible options at any one time, due to the personnel on the field. He has 5 run plays and 4 pass plays or vice versa. Fact of the matter is, he almost always has his team running a successful play. I've always contended that intelligence is a bigger factor than physical ability when it comes to being a successful NFL QB, and Luck has a great mix of those qualities.
  • 2kool4skool
    BR1986FB;1006952 wrote:Wasn't Cam Newton a #1 overall pick?
    Yeah, forgot about him. But a good example of how badly people can be off, especially about quarterbacks. I remember the consensus among most experts/fans(myself included) was that he was a terrible reach at #1 and wasn't an NFL type QB at all.
  • said_aouita
    Gee...more other voted for today.
    :thumbup: