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  • thedynasty1998
    Y-Town Steelhound;791223 wrote:Maybe it's because he's been Miami's franchise player his entire career and was the best player on what currently stands as the only Heat championship team...Or because LeBron CAME to Wade.

    Really? He didn't win that championship with Shaq?
  • jordo212000
    like_that;791337 wrote:Because this is a forum, and we are here to discuss topics such as whose team it is....

    Also lol at the bolded part of your quote. Other than joining forces together, what has LeBron and Wade done this season that has indicated they have a lack of ego? Was it when LeBron spoke in third person, was it when he said he is going to take his talents to Miami, was it when he said he spoils his fans sometimes, or was it when Noah said they are hollywood as hell? SMH. Also, gtfo with this less money bs. You do realize the Cavs made a S&T with Miami giving LeBron his max contract? On top of that there is no income tax in Miami, so LeBron is in fact making more money than he would have been making if he received a max contract in Cleveland.

    Hey chief, notice I used the word "willingness"? They were all willing to take less in order to win, but ultimately their former teams thought that both could benefit from a sign and trade. James and Bosh were going to play in Miami regardless of whether or not their old teams swallowed their pride
  • jordo212000
    like_that;791339 wrote:No, because the point people are trying to make is it's Wade's team and LeBron is his sidekick. But of course you try to make it sound like people are making LeBron/Pippen comparisons based on basketball ability.

    Lol. What does it mean to be a sidekick? Such a stupid, simple way to describe their setup. You would think that Bird, Jordan, and Magic won with nobodies
  • like_that
    jordo212000;791347 wrote:Hey chief, notice I used the word "willingness"? They were all willing to take less in order to win, but ultimately their former teams thought that both could benefit from a sign and trade. James and Bosh were going to play in Miami regardless of whether or not their old teams swallowed their pride
    "Willingness" my ass. LeBron was going to go for that S&T no matter where he went. Also, he knew Miami didn't have income tax, that was part of the draw of going there as well. He wouldn't have been giving up that much more money without the S&T, don't be so delusional.
    jordo212000;791352 wrote:Lol. What does it mean to be a sidekick? Such a stupid, simple way to describe their setup. You would think that Bird, Jordan, and Magic won with nobodies

    It's an analogy little guy. Try not to take everything so literally.

    Edit: Maybe you will understand this better. Chicago was Jordan's team, not Scottie's. Miami is Wade's team, not LeBron's. Make sense now, or are you going to try to spin it to something else?
  • jordo212000
    Hey chief, notice I used the word "willingness"? They were all willing to take less in order to win, but ultimately their former teams thought that both could benefit from a sign and trade. James and Bosh were going to play in Miami regardless of whether or not their old teams swallowed their pride
    "Willingness" my ass. LeBron was going to go for that S&T no matter where he went. Also, he knew Miami didn't have income tax, that was part of the draw of going there as well. He wouldn't have been giving up that much more money without the S&T, don't be so delusional.
    Lol. What does it mean to be a sidekick? Such a stupid, simple way to describe their setup. You would think that Bird, Jordan, and Magic won with nobodies

    It's an analogy little guy. Try not to take everything so literally.

    Edit: Maybe you will understand this better. Chicago was Jordan's team, not Scottie's. Miami is Wade's team, not LeBron's. Make sense now, or are you going to try to spin it to something else?
    Actually Lebron's sign and trade took a little time to get done. Remember, Gilbert was balking at the idea for a couple of days out of spite. He was going to Miami one way or another, and was more than willing to take less to go there. Instead Lebron and Bosh got the best of both worlds.

    What difference does it make as to who's team it is though? Haha. Does it not count for Lebron or Bosh if they win a championship? That stuff only matters on Espn.
  • like_that
    jordo212000;791373 wrote:Actually Lebron's sign and trade took a little time to get done. Remember, Gilbert was balking at the idea for a couple of days out of spite. He was going to Miami one way or another, and was more than willing to take less to go there. Instead Lebron and Bosh got the best of both worlds.

    What difference does it make as to who's team it is though? Haha. Does it not count for Lebron or Bosh if they win a championship? That stuff only matters on Espn.

    Doesn't matter if the S&T took awhile, he still wanted it. Anyway, you can have that though, still didn't change the fact there is no income tax, he wasn't leaving that much money on the table without a S&T.

    As for what difference it makes. When it comes down to who gets the rings, it doesn't make a difference, when it comes to cementing a legacy it does.
  • Skyhook79
    thedynasty1998;791345 wrote:Really? He didn't win that championship with Shaq?
    Shaq was terrible in the 2006 Finals.
  • jordo212000
    like_that;791374 wrote:
    As for what difference it makes. When it comes down to who gets the rings, it doesn't make a difference, when it comes to cementing a legacy it does.

    That legacy stuff only applies to people who hate him. Casual fans know how good he is, and they know who the best player on the team is. If Lebron and Dwade win multiple titles, his legacy will be just fine. As it stands now he is already one of the best players in NBA history. Rings would just be icing on the cake for him
  • BR1986FB
    jordo212000;791453 wrote:That legacy stuff only applies to people who hate him. Casual fans know how good he is, and they know who the best player on the team is. If Lebron and Dwade win multiple titles, his legacy will be just fine. As it stands now he is already one of the best players in NBA history. Rings would just be icing on the cake for him

    It's already tainted if/when he wins rings.
  • wes_mantooth
    BR1986FB;791461 wrote:It's already tainted if/when he wins rings.

    I think so too...at least a little bit. He will never be THE GUY on a championship team. If he won a championship in Cleveland with a bunch of nobodies, then he would be in the conversation with the Jordans of the world.
  • wes_mantooth
    BR1986FB;791461 wrote:It's already tainted if/when he wins rings.

    I think so too...at least a little bit. He will never be THE GUY on a championship team. If he won a championship in Cleveland with a bunch of nobodies, then he would be in the conversation with the Jordans of the world.
  • like_that
    jordo212000;791453 wrote:That legacy stuff only applies to people who hate him. Casual fans know how good he is, and they know who the best player on the team is. If Lebron and Dwade win multiple titles, his legacy will be just fine. As it stands now he is already one of the best players in NBA history. Rings would just be icing on the cake for him

    No, it applies to anyone who discusses his legacy. Just do a simple google search or watch ESPN. If they say Lebron's legacy isn't what it would have been had he stayed in Cleveland, does that mean they hate him as well? If Kevin Durant (who I like, and I have no ties whatsoever with OKC, and don't care how they do) did the same thing as Lebron, imo it would ruin his legacy as well. Kobe had the same legacy issue as well. Everyone said he couldn't win a title without Shaq, and then he finally put it to rest. Just because you post on an Ohio forum filled with Cleveland fans doesn't mean that everyone who isn't sucking Lebron's dick is a "hater." You need to get over this shit, it's been a year, and if any Cleveland fan isn't supporting Lebron, they are still "butt hurt." It's an old and weak ass cop out argument. Since all you do is resort to cop out arguments, I might as well just say you are playing devil's advocate because you hate cleveland fans.

    And to quote idiot dynasty, it is just "MIND BOGGLING," to me how you say you hate Lebron. What a joke.
  • like_that
    wes_mantooth;791467 wrote:I think so too...at least a little bit. He will never be THE GUY on a championship team. If he won a championship in Cleveland with a bunch of nobodies, then he would be in the conversation with the Jordans of the world.

    You only think this because you hate Lebron!
  • Commander of Awesome
    like_that;791468 wrote: And to quote idiot dynasty, it is just "MIND BOGGLING," to me how you say you hate Lebron. What a joke.

    Yeah no doubt. He's either a LBJ supporter or enjoys trolling.
  • BR1986FB
    wes_mantooth;791467 wrote:I think so too...at least a little bit. He will never be THE GUY on a championship team. If he won a championship in Cleveland with a bunch of nobodies, then he would be in the conversation with the Jordans of the world.

    It is tainted. When guys like Jordan, who I don't think hates Lebron, implies it along with other past stars, I tend to believe that he will be viewed as "the great player who had to join forces with other stars to get his rings....couldn't get it done in Cleveland." No question he's a great player and may end of going down as the greatest of all time but the rings WILL be tarnished.
  • jordo212000
    wes_mantooth;791465 wrote: If he won a championship in Cleveland with a bunch of nobodies, then he would be in the conversation with the Jordans of the world.

    Why though? Jordan himself won with a top 50 of all time player (Pippen) and then several other great role players (Kukoc, Rodman, and Kerr). Why is it suddenly a requirement to win a championship with a bunch of Titos?
  • like_that
    jordo212000;791500 wrote:Why though? Jordan himself won with a top 50 of all time player (Pippen) and then several other great role players (Kukoc, Rodman, and Kerr). Why is it suddenly a requirement to win a championship with a bunch of Titos?

    Big difference between building a team around a FRANCHISE PLAYER, and bolting your team because you are using the "if you can't beat em, join em," method.
  • jordo212000
    BR1986FB;791487 wrote:It is tainted. When guys like Jordan, who I don't think hates Lebron, implies it along with other past stars, I tend to believe that he will be viewed as "the great player who had to join forces with other stars to get his rings....couldn't get it done in Cleveland." No question he's a great player and may end of going down as the greatest of all time but the rings WILL be tarnished.

    Jordan never had to leave to team up with anybody. He played in a major market and he was surrounded with great talent. Same thing with Larry Bird. That's such an asinine argument. We'll never know if those guys would have left because they had ideal situations. Where would Larry Legend have left for? His team was loaded.
  • wes_mantooth
    jordo212000;791500 wrote:Why though? Jordan himself won with a top 50 of all time player (Pippen) and then several other great role players (Kukoc, Rodman, and Kerr). Why is it suddenly a requirement to win a championship with a bunch of Titos?

    My belief is that pippen is in no way a top 50 guy. He can thank jordan for that ranking.
  • jordo212000
    like_that;791503 wrote:Big difference between building a team around a FRANCHISE PLAYER, and bolting your team because you are using the "if you can't beat em, join em," method.

    Lebron could "beat" the Heat though. The Heat sucked before he took his talents down there. That wasn't a good team. To win in the NBA you have to have at least 2 great players. There was only one great player in Cleveland. He could have at least 2 if he went to Miami, and then Bosh was just icing on the cake. Nowhere near their level, but still pretty talented for a big man
  • jordo212000
    wes_mantooth;791506 wrote:My belief is that pippen is in no way a top 50 guy. He can thank jordan for that ranking.

    They were fine the year that Jordan played baseball. They had a nice run without him. How old are you by the way? haha Pippen etched out a nice career for himself, even after he left Chicago.
  • jordo212000
    @ like_that:

    I am not a Lebron fan. Never have been, you of all people should know that. I just call things the way I see them. I am a casual fan. I just hate when people let emotions cloud reality. Lebron was the GOAT last year, and now because he changed his mailing address he is Scottie Pippen? haha.

    Look I am rooting for the Mavs in this series, and I freely admit that Lebron did you guys dirty. But I just can't allow you guys to ignore the history of the NBA. You HAVE to have 2 great players to win a ring
  • wes_mantooth
    jordo212000;791511 wrote:They were fine the year that Jordan played baseball. They had a nice run without him. How old are you by the way? haha Pippen etched out a nice career for himself, even after he left Chicago.

    34. I actually lived and died with the nba back in those days.

    I am also a firm believer that as great as jordan was, he ruined the nba game through no fault of his own. His game led to everyone trying to "be like mike". He was a once in a lifetime player and there are too many wannabes.
  • jordo212000
    wes_mantooth;791515 wrote:34. I actually lived and died with the nba back in those days.

    I am also a firm believer that as great as jordan was, he ruined the nba game through no fault of his own. His game led to everyone trying to "be like mike". He was a once in a lifetime player and there are too many wannabes.

    So did you just forget that Pippen led the Bulls to a playoff run without Jordan? Pippen wasn't Jordan, but Pippen was still great. He continued to play well long after Jordan walked away
  • wes_mantooth
    jordo212000;791516 wrote:So did you just forget that Pippen led the Bulls to a playoff run without Jordan? Pippen wasn't Jordan, but Pippen was still great. He continued to play well long after Jordan walked away

    Pippen was good, I dont dispute that. I just dont believe top 50. It is all subjective....nothing to back it up.