Cool NBA question.

• Laley23

  

  karen lotz;674941 wrote:Wouldn't it be LeBron pulling a Drexler? I don't recall the outrage when Drexler went to Houston. You also brought up a good point kind of. Jordan didn't play that first year and he wasn't back to himself the following year, the NBA was about as weak as it had ever been.

  
  Drexler was traded for 1. Plus, they played college together, Im pretty sure they had always said if possible, theyd like to play a few seasons together in the NBA.
• hoops23

  

  clickclickboom;674598 wrote:Best team? his team has lost like 28 in a row without him..

  
  Right, because the Cavs this season are the same EXACT team as last season... SMH.
• Laley23

  

  As for Bird versus LeBron....Im not sure people realize how great the Legend was and how versatile he actually was on the court.
  
  Scoring is even
  Shooting is Larry by a mile
  Passing is LeBron barely
  Rebounding is Larry by quite a bit
  
  Larry even took Indiana State to the finals of the NCAA Tourney. He was Butler before Gordon Hayward was even a thought in his mothers eye. I dont care that Larry wasnt as flashy or as explosive as LeBron, he got it done, and got it done with equal if not better numbers. Dont let the fact he was white and "simple/fundamental" get in the way of how truly great he was.
• Y-Town Steelhound

  

  Laley23;675148 wrote:As for Bird versus LeBron....Im not sure people realize how great the Legend was and how versatile he actually was on the court.
  
  Scoring is even
  Shooting is Larry by a mile
  Passing is LeBron barely
  Rebounding is Larry by quite a bit
  
  Larry even took Indiana State to the finals of the NCAA Tourney. He was Butler before Gordon Hayward was even a thought in his mothers eye. I dont care that Larry wasnt as flashy or as explosive as LeBron, he got it done, and got it done with equal if not better numbers. Dont let the fact he was white and "simple/fundamental" get in the way of how truly great he was.

  
  Agreed. The debate is who was/is the better BASKETBALL PLAYER....not who's the best athlete. To quote Kenny Powers "I play real sports, I'm not trying to be the best at excercising." No doubt LeBron is the better athlete, but Bird is the better basketball player. I think few people remember just how great Larry Bird was.
• karen lotz

  

  Laley23;675145 wrote:Drexler was traded for 1. Plus, they played college together, Im pretty sure they had always said if possible, theyd like to play a few seasons together in the NBA.

  
  
  Ok then maybe Y-Town could explain how Drexler pulled a LeBron like he stated earlier? And if you'd like to get technical, LeBron was traded. And LeBron, Wade, and Bosh have been called Super Friends on here and they talked about wanting to play together as well. Oops.
• karen lotz

  

  sportswizuhrd;675128 wrote:I am still waiting for the answer to this question as well. Haha.
  
  You kind of hinted at at it but KL did not answer it yet.

  Haha, he didn't play on the first championship team lol!
• karen lotz

  

  Y-Town Steelhound;674959 wrote:There was no outrage when Drexler left because he was TRADED...he didn't leave in free agency.

  
  LeBron was TRADED. There should be no outrage.
• Hb31187

  

  By the time its all said and done, I would bet that James is the better basketball player. If he gets a mid range jumper thats consistent here in a few years, hes literally almost impossible to guard. That being said, i still hate him.
  
  
  And as for them matching up against eachother in this game....Lebron would have more success stopping Bird then the other way around
• Y-Town Steelhound

  

  karen lotz;675161 wrote:LeBron was TRADED. There should be no outrage.

  
  LOL.....LeBron was sign and traded. Drexler was traded for a player. LeBron was traded for some picks because he had announced he was going to Miami anyways. Apples to Oranges kare bear.
• Y-Town Steelhound

  

  Hb31187;675230 wrote:If he gets a mid range jumper thats consistent here in a few years, hes literally almost impossible to guard.

  
  People have been saying that for 8 years now. The mid range jumper/post game hasn't come yet, nor has the free throw shooting. LeBron relies on his supreme athleticism. One day that athleticism is going to erode and we'll see if he can still be an incredible scorer when he's not faster and more athletic than everyone in the league.
  
  
  Here's a reminder to some people just who Larry Bird was
  
  [video=youtube;7jBWiol12SA][/video]
• SQ_Crazies

  

  Y-Town Steelhound;674896 wrote:http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Hakeem+Olajuwon
  
  Want any neosporin for that burn?

  
  Weakest argument ever. Heard it so many times.
  
  I've heard so many people say the NBA was so much tougher back in the day. Well, not in the 90s. The NBA was WEAK as hell in the 90s, evident of the Rockets winning two titles with MICHAEL JORDAN played baseball. Hakeem didn't even win that ring lets be honest, MJ won it for him by not playing basketball.
• SQ_Crazies

  

  LMAO...just like many are saying "people don't realize how good Larry Bird was" (like you're talking to a bunch of people who don't know what color a basketball is, I think a lot of you no longer want to admit how good LeBron is.
  
  It's not even close, LeBron is the best SF to ever play the game.
• Laley23

  

  SQ_Crazies;675347 wrote:
  It's not even close, LeBron is the best SF to ever play the game.

  
  But why? He has the physical attributes to be just that, but he hasnt put up the numbers to back up being considered better than Larry yet.
  
  We see the sheer greatness in some of his finishes and passes etc, but just because they look better doesnt make them more special. If LeBron scored 30, dished out 11 assists and grabbed 12 rebounds in a given game and Larry did the same thing who would be better?
  
  It would be the same, though LeBron probably looked better doing it.
  
  Larry had a tremendous post game, could shoot the 3 and hit the mid-range jumper. He was a better rebounder. The only thing LeBron does better is highlighs, passing (barely) and slash to the rim. Defensively, LeBron is better.
  
  All in all, you look at the numbers and they are similar with Larry having the slight edge. You go to individual awards and Larry has more (though LeBron isnt finished). You go to team awards and Larry has more. At what point can you say LeBron is the better player?
  
  Because he passes the eye test? Well screw that...Bird never passed the eye test and then took ISU to the Finals and then dominated the NBA for 10+ years...
• SQ_Crazies

  

  Not going to argue about this, MANY people will not agree and it will go around in a big circle forever so I'll just end it now.
  
  I'm sure this means I conceded to Laley, clearly don't know what I'm talking about and I'll get an lolfail from Commander of Anal sex or whatever that guys name is.
• Laley23

  

  SQ_Crazies;675361 wrote:Not going to argue about this, MANY people will not agree and it will go around in a big circle forever so I'll just end it now.
  
  I'm sure this means I conceded to Laley, clearly don't know what I'm talking about and I'll get an lolfail from Commander of Anal sex or whatever that guys name is.

  
  haha, Im not trying to persuade anyone. When LeBron was in HS I though he would go down as the greatest ever. But to this point, he hasnt put up numbers that would elevate him clearly above a Jordan, Bird, Bryant, etc. His numbers are slightly less impressive (imo) than Bird. LeBron hasnt quite turned his supreme athleticism and talent into unquestioned results. Now, that may be a work ethic, less talent than perceived (doubtful), or a number of things. But he should be unguardable, but to often...that isnt the case. Bird should have been guardable, and often wasnt. That is where I am giving Bird the edge. I dont know if it was the drive or what, because Bird, by looks, shouldnt be in the same sentence as LeBron.
• Jester

  

  I'd have to completely agree with Laley on this one.
• Y-Town Steelhound

  

  SQ_Crazies;675342 wrote:Weakest argument ever. Heard it so many times.
  
  I've heard so many people say the NBA was so much tougher back in the day. Well, not in the 90s. The NBA was WEAK as hell in the 90s, evident of the Rockets winning two titles with MICHAEL JORDAN played baseball. Hakeem didn't even win that ring lets be honest, MJ won it for him by not playing basketball.

  
  
  Would've been interesting to see a Bulls-Rockets finals but it unfortunately never happened. Hakeem was the best center of his generation and one of the best of all time. Hell, he was so good that people never say that Houston was stupid for taking him over Jordan in the draft. To say Jordan won it for him by not playing undermines Hakeem as a player and everything he and the Rockets accomplished in those two seasons. The FACT (I know you have trouble separating opinions from facts SQ), is that we don't nor will ever know what would've happened in a finals between Jordan's Bulls and Hakeem's Rockets. What I do know (which you apparently avoided either out of not knowing your NBA history or just being ignorant) is that Jordan was back in 95 and he and his Bulls couldn't make it to the finals.
  
  The NBA was stronger in the 90s than it was for most of the 2000s. Just look at the number of Hall of Famers playing at that time.
  
  Also, I don't think anyone on here disagrees that LeBron is a great player. He's an amazing player and one of the best ever. But you make it seem as if him and Bird isn't even debate when it fact it is. He's your favorite player/team, and that's going to lead to a little more bias so it's understandable. The point is that Bird vs. LeBron is a legitimate debate.
• SQ_Crazies

  

  There is no bias, I can be objective. He's the best SF to ever play the game.
• wes_mantooth

  

  Laley23;675412 wrote:haha, Im not trying to persuade anyone. When LeBron was in HS I though he would go down as the greatest ever. But to this point, he hasnt put up numbers that would elevate him clearly above a Jordan, Bird, Bryant, etc. His numbers are slightly less impressive (imo) than Bird. LeBron hasnt quite turned his supreme athleticism and talent into unquestioned results. Now, that may be a work ethic, less talent than perceived (doubtful), or a number of things. But he should be unguardable, but to often...that isnt the case. Bird should have been guardable, and often wasnt. That is where I am giving Bird the edge. I dont know if it was the drive or what, because Bird, by looks, shouldnt be in the same sentence as LeBron.

  
  Agree 100%
• Jester

  

  SQ_Crazies;676656 wrote:There is no bias, I can be objective. He's the best SF to ever play the game.

  LOL.
• SQ_Crazies

  

  What's so funny about that?
  
  I can't be objective just because he is my favorite player? If you don't think I can be then how can you assume Laley can be, or anyone that has an opinion is obviously not objective then?
• Skyhook79

  

  SQ_Crazies;676757 wrote:What's so funny about that?
  
  I can't be objective just because he is my favorite player? If you don't think I can be then how can you assume Laley can be, or anyone that has an opinion is obviously not objective then?

  
  That has nothing to do with it. It's because you are sq_crazies.
• Jester

  

  Laley pretty much broke down each player, giving both Lebron and Bird advantages over one another in different aspects. The most i've seen out of you is, "Lebron is the best SF ever".
• Al Bundy

  LeBron is the better athlete. Bird is the better basketball player.
• Laley23

  

  SQ_Crazies;676757 wrote: If you don't think I can be then how can you assume Laley can be, or anyone that has an opinion is obviously not objective then?

  
  Well, I do hate Bird for killing the Pacer franchise since he has been president...as well as spurning the Hoosiers for the Sycamores cause IU was too big of a place for him lol.