Week 13: Cleveland Browns (4-7) at Miami Dolphins (6-5)

• thedynasty1998

  

  Writerbuckeye;589965 wrote:Even 7-9 is a huge step forward for this franchise -- and I think sends the message you are a team on the verge of competing for division titles and playoff berths.
  
  I hope the idiot owners and the idiot union can work out an agreement before any lockout takes place. I'd like to see continuity so the Browns can continue off season what they've got going on the field.

  7-9 is a big step in the right direction, but there is a HUGE difference between 3rd place in the AFC North and 1st place in the AFC North. The Browns still have a ways to go before they are competing for a division title.
  
  The Browns seem to have made the step from bottom dweller to average. It is much harder to make the next step from average to regular playoff contender. They will need more pieces on offense and a couple moves for the defense.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  thedynasty1998;590004 wrote:The Browns seem to have made the step from bottom dweller to average. It is much harder to make the next step from average to regular playoff contender. They will need more pieces on offense and a couple moves for the defense.

  
  Examples of how this step is harder? Also "I'm patiently waiting (lolz)" some real examples of some moves the Browns need to make in your eyes to make the step as opposed to using broad lame ass statements which you always use.
• Y-Town Steelhound

  

  Commander of Awesome;590027 wrote:Examples of how this step is harder? Also "I'm patiently waiting (lolz)" some real examples of some moves the Browns need to make in your eyes to make the step as opposed to using broad lame ass statements which you always use.

  
  Offense:
  
  A #1 Wide Receiver
  A Right Tackle
  
  
  
  
  Defense:
  A pass-rushing threat at defensive end/outside linebacker
  A free safety
  
  
  
  I'd say those are the most pressing needs on both sides of the ball
• Commander of Awesome

  

  Y-Town Steelhound;590043 wrote:Offense:
  
  I'd say those are the most pressing needs on both sides of the ball

  
  I was wanting to hear his thoughts, as I dont think he knows the browns/nfl from his ass. He makes broad statements he hears on the radio without any real knowledge or examples to back it up.
• thedynasty1998

  

  Y-Town Steelhound;590043 wrote:Offense:
  
  A #1 Wide Receiver
  A Right Tackle
  
  
  
  
  Defense:
  A pass-rushing threat at defensive end/outside linebacker
  A free safety
  
  
  
  I'd say those are the most pressing needs on both sides of the ball

  
  Obviously a WR or two. I think Mass is a decent WR, but they need a vertical threat and someone you know can get open on a 3rd and 4. They just don't have one of those guys they can rely on right now. A guy I would love for them to draft is Sanzenbacher. I think he's exactly the type of WR that would make them much better.
  
  A CB opposite Haden. Sheldon Brown would be better served at a safety alongside Ward and if they can get a solid CB opposite Haden that i a very solid defensive backfield.
  
  A stud LB. I don't know much about who is available, but I wouldn't be opposed to the Browns using a 1st round pick on a LB. Just need a play maker in the middle of their defense.
• shook_17

  

  thedynasty1998;590073 wrote:Obviously a WR or two. I think Mass is a decent WR, but they need a vertical threat and someone you know can get open on a 3rd and 4. They just don't have one of those guys they can rely on right now. A guy I would love for them to draft is Sanzenbacher. I think he's exactly the type of WR that would make them much better.
  
  A CB opposite Haden. Sheldon Brown would be better served at a safety alongside Ward and if they can get a solid CB opposite Haden that i a very solid defensive backfield.
  
  A stud LB. I don't know much about who is available, but I wouldn't be opposed to the Browns using a 1st round pick on a LB. Just need a play maker in the middle of their defense.

  
  
  sanzenbacher, really? he is not a legit deep threat. another brian robiskie if you ask me. he is a posseison reciever. we need an aj green, julio jones, justin blackmon type.
• Y-Town Steelhound

  

  shook_17;590101 wrote:sanzenbacher, really? he is not a legit deep threat. another brian robiskie if you ask me. he is a posseison reciever. we need an aj green, julio jones, justin blackmon type.

  
  I agree that they need an AJ Green or Julio Jones type. I think the point about sanzenbacher is that he would fill the need of being basically a better Robiske. He's definitely a guy I would want on my football team and I'd love for the Browns to take a look at him in the later rounds. Smart, tough, receiver with great hands and a great ability to find holes in the defense....absolutely perfect slot possession receiver that the Browns could definitely use.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  Y-Town Steelhound;590104 wrote:I agree that they need an AJ Green or Julio Jones type. I think the point about sanzenbacher is that he would fill the need of being basically a better Robiske. He's definitely a guy I would want on my football team and I'd love for the Browns to take a look at him in the later rounds. Smart, tough, receiver with great hands and a great ability to find holes in the defense....absolutely perfect slot possession receiver that the Browns could definitely use.

  
  But what about Chansi Stuckey?! lol.
• thedynasty1998

  

  shook_17;590101 wrote:sanzenbacher, really? he is not a legit deep threat. another brian robiskie if you ask me. he is a posseison reciever. we need an aj green, julio jones, justin blackmon type.

  
  I agree with that. I think they need a slot guy like Sanzenbacher, for the 3rd and 4 downs. Someone who can create space and find a gap in shorter yardage plays.
• thedynasty1998

  

  shook_17;590101 wrote:sanzenbacher, really? he is not a legit deep threat. another brian robiskie if you ask me. he is a posseison reciever. we need an aj green, julio jones, justin blackmon type.

  
  And I can see how my post was a little confusing. I meant two different WR's. One that can stretch the field (Green or Jones) and a second who is more of a slot type.
• derek bomar

  

  we won't have to worry about the draft this year - theres gonna be no league next year anyway
• shook_17

  

  thedynasty1998;590109 wrote:And I can see how my post was a little confusing. I meant two different WR's. One that can stretch the field (Green or Jones) and a second who is more of a slot type.

  
  oh i gotcha! when i read it i thought you were saying for like a number one reciever. but agreed he would be a good slot reciever. stuckey pisses me off when its 3rd down and he runs his route short of the first down marker. anybody else realize that?
• HitsRus

  

  I'd be curious to see where Sanzenbacher projects. Browns will be drafting in the middle of the pack.
• thedynasty1998

  

  HitsRus;590126 wrote:I'd be curious to see where Sanzenbacher projects. Browns will be drafting in the middle of the pack.

  
  Me too. I think he will be a very good pro. And I originally thought he would slide under the radar, but he's almost been too productive this year where someone might take a chance on him earlier than he probably should go.
• gerb131

  

  thedynasty1998;590130 wrote:Me too. I think he will be a very good pro. And I originally thought he would slide under the radar, but he's almost been too productive this year where someone might take a chance on him earlier than he probably should go.

  
  Looking like a healthier Anthony Gonzo
• thedynasty1998

  

  gerb131;590135 wrote:Looking like a healthier Anthony Gonzo

  
  Not sure if that's fair, because I don't think Gonzo was ever hurt at OSU. With that said, I think Sanzenbacher is a little bit better than Gonzo. However, if I remember correctly, Gonzo went in the 1st round and I just don't see that from Sanzenbacher. I may be wrong though.
• se-alum

  

  I wouldn't be happy if the Browns took Sanz any earlier than 4th round, and I don't see him lasting that long. I think the Browns receiving corp will be fine if they get a true #1 w/ MoMass on the the other side, and Robo in the slot.
  
  1st round- WR(Green, Jones, Blackmon)
  2nd round- DE/LB rusher
  3rd round- CB
  4th round- RT
• like_that

  

  LOL at sanzenbacher. You guys actually think he is going to be on Cleveland's radar. Why would the Browns draft another robo/cribbs/momass/stuckey? You guys need to take off your scarlet and gray glasses off and take a closer look at what the Browns actually need.
• Hb31187

  

  Sanzenbacher any sooner than like the 4th of 5th round is pretty hilarious to think of
• zach24oz

  I don't think AJ Green will last that long in the draft for the Browns to get him, so I think they would end up with Julio Jones...who is a great receiver too, so I would have no problem with that. I also think another CB/S would help out too...Sheldon Brown hasn't really played all that great at corner...has missed tackles and looks like he is slowing down. Abe Elam hasn't played great but has played better than what I thought he would...The Browns also should look at a late round RB or FA in case Hardesty goes down again next year and to compliment Hillis.
• thedynasty1998

  

  Hb31187;590165 wrote:Sanzenbacher any sooner than like the 4th of 5th round is pretty hilarious to think of

  
  I agree. I think 3rd round might be a reach.
  
  Looking at last year's draft and some of the notable WR's and draft position I don't know where Sanzenbacher fits it:
  Jordan Shipley - Round 3, #20
  Eric Decker - Round 3, #23
  Taylor Price - Round 3, #26
  Mardy Gilyard - Round 4, #1
  Riley Cooper - Round 5, #28
• wes_mantooth

  

  The Browns will be drafting 32nd so they are going to have to trade up to get a legit #1 receiver.
• royal_k

  

  wes_mantooth;590178 wrote:The Browns will be drafting 32nd so they are going to have to trade up to get a legit #1 receiver.

  
  lol...what a homer.
  
  Get back to the basement.
• Y-Town Steelhound

  

  like_that;590155 wrote:LOL at sanzenbacher. You guys actually think he is going to be on Cleveland's radar. Why would the Browns draft another robo/cribbs/momass/stuckey? You guys need to take off your scarlet and gray glasses off and take a closer look at what the Browns actually need.

  
  I love how any time an OSU player is mentioned in any discussion relating to the NFL, some people have nothing better to say than "take off your scarlet and gray glasses". What the Browns actually need? They have the worst receiving core in the NFL, so I think improvement in that are would be considered a need. I never said he'd be a 2nd round pick, he's a guy to look at in round 4-6. The guys you brought up aren't really comparable. Sanz is better than Robiske was at that point at OSU...plus he has better hands and does a better job of getting open. Cribbs is not a wide receiver, he only plays there because the Browns have such shitty receivers and he's someone that can make plays with the ball in his hands. Stuckey is a journeyman who shouldn't be starting on any NFL team. MoMass is a 2nd receiver, not a slot guy so that's not really a good comparison.
  
  Sanzenbacher fits a need the Browns have and can be had at a relatively cheap price in the 4-6th rounds. You saw how well McCoy did with Shipley at Texas, and Sanz is basically a slower version of Shipley. The Browns don't have (other than maybe Evan Moore who's a tight end) that go-to possession receiver who finds holes in defensive zones. Haven't had that since Jurevicious. I think you, like most haters see OSU and then immediately shut off. If he played for any other school, you might be more open to evaluating him more objectively.
  
  No one thought the guy was anything when he got to Columbus and he ended up starting freshman year and becoming Pryor's favorite target. He's going to be a productive pro.
• grodt

  

  I'm not really an OSU fan but I love watching Sanzenbacher play. The kid just seems to know how to get open, something Robo hasn't quite figured out thus far. Whenever Pryor is scrambling around looking for someone I just know somehow he's going to get it to Sazenbacher. Those instincts are hard to teach and could help him in the NFL. I'd love to see what he can do in the brown and orange, but, all that being said, there's no way I touch him until at least the 4th (maybe 3rd if we ended up picking later in the round because of trades). We need a Julio Jones/A.J. Green type if we pick a receiver early.