Random NBA chatter

• BR1986FB

  thedynasty1998;699602 wrote:So, a three year extension wasn't good enough? Poor Danny Ferry, he wasn't given a fair shot to build a team around the best player in the NBA.
  
  Lebron did the smart thing, and a thing every star should do, put pressure on the organization to build a team around him. He gave them three years and they didn't do it.
  
  Yet, you wanted him to commit to another 5 years after knowing they didn't do anything in the previous six years he was there? After the GM and coach were fired?
  
  Any person with any sense would have done the exact same thing Lebron did (minus the decision).

  
  To answer your first point, no...not when it's keeping free agents from commiting here, long term.
  
  To answer the second part of your third point, the coach & GM got fired BECAUSE of Lebron. Despite LBJ's, after the fact, adulation of Mike Brown, he didn't like him as a coach. He already tried pulling the same shit with Spoelstra earlier in the year.
  
  And he had EVERY right to leave. That's why it's called "free" agency. But before he starts pointing fingers, after the fact, he should look at the REAL reason the Cavs didn't win a title....HIMSELF(ish).
• BR1986FB

  thedynasty1998;699608 wrote:Then why was Ferry fired?

  
  Ferry was fired because Gilbert wanted to stick his fingers in the pie (personnel decisions ala Mark Cuban) and Ferry wouldn't agree to it.
• ytownfootball

  

  thedynasty1998;699608 wrote:Then why was Ferry fired?

  
  because when you own one of the better players in the league you put the blame somewhere other than your star
• wes_mantooth

  

  I don't know why you guys have this debate....it is pretty easy to see what some peoples intentions are on here. You guys get sucked in to it every time!!! lmao
• thedynasty1998

  

  BR1986FB;699611 wrote:To answer your first point, no...not when it's keeping free agents from commiting here, long term.
  
  To answer the second part of your third point, the coach & GM got fired BECAUSE of Lebron. Despite LBJ's, after the fact, adulation of Mike Brown, he didn't like him as a coach. He already tried pulling the same shit with Spoelstra earlier in the year. And he had EVERY right to leave. That's why it's called "free" agency. But before he starts pointing fingers, after the fact, he should look at the REAL reason the Cavs didn't win a title....HIMSELF(ish).

  Shame for Lebron on the three year extension. He should have left immediately after his rookie deal.
  
  That's fine, most rational fans would look at the Cavs over the last six years, and say they were even in the playoff BECAUSE OF LEBRON. But you can look at it the other way.
  
  There is no way the Cavs did everything they could for Lebron. If they did, he would still be in Cleveland.
• BR1986FB

  wes_mantooth;699615 wrote:I don't know why you guys have this debate....it is pretty easy to see what some peoples intentions are on here. You guys get sucked in to it every time!!! lmao

  
  No shit. Dude comes on here when he doesn't have a clue about the pulse of the Cleveland sports scene, talking out his ass, trying to stir shit up, and a lot of us seem to fall for it. Less direct than Capone was but essentially the same effect.
• karen lotz

  

  Pick6;699549 wrote:Well I dont really remember how much you and dynasty hated on lebron/cleveland last year (I know you weren't fans), but you are definitely sucking his dick now.

  
  
  lol that's what I thought. How do you know I wasn't a fan of LeBron when he was in Cleveland exactly? I watched Cavs games only because LeBron played for them. I have been a fan of his since watching him play in high school which is probably why I haven't suddenly changed my opinion of him from savior/hero to a fucking sellout pussy like most on the OC. I'm glad that you know so much about me.
• ytownfootball

  

  What? Like have Bosh and Wade agree to come to Cleveland?
  
  You're an idiot.
• karen lotz

  

  Pick6;699552 wrote:and i'd like to see a link that shows getting stars to join you is a lot easier in Chicago, Boston, etc, than it is Cleveland. Its well documented that Lebron didn't try to recruit players around the time of his FA.

  
  
  
  You need a link to show you the advantages of playing in Boston and Chicago over Cleveland?
• BR1986FB

  thedynasty1998;699618 wrote:Shame for Lebron on the three year extension. He should have left immediately after his rookie deal.

  
  Not that I'm going to spend the painstaking time to try to find the article but there was a reason for the 3 year deal. He couldn't move to make this "Dream Team" in Miami (or wherever they'd end up) happen. Somehow the contracts would not align for all three colluders to join forces when his first contract was up or he would've been gone then.
• thedynasty1998

  

  BR1986FB;699619 wrote:No shit. Dude comes on here when he doesn't have a clue about the pulse of the Cleveland sports scene, talking out his ass, trying to stir shit up, and a lot of us seem to fall for it. Less direct than Capone was but essentially the same effect.

  
  The pulse of the Cleveland sports scene? Not even sure what that means. I was as many Cavs games as most last year. Even attended a few.
  
  And it's laughable if anyone thinks Ferry did a good job as GM.
• karen lotz

  

  BR1986FB;699560 wrote:He didn't NEED anyone "big." For some reason since the Three Stooges got together in Miami and now EVERYONE seems to think teams need multiple "big names."
  
  The Cavs WEREN'T that far off from winning a title. I've said this before but I'll repeat it...before Lebron quit on them in the playoffs, as they were heading into the playoffs, almost EVERY pundit (except maybe Barkley who looks like a genius with how he pegged Lebron), had Cleveland as the "best/deepest" team heading in. All I heard was "they can beat you at whatever style you want to play."
  
  Then, they bow out early and suddenly "Lebron's supporting cast sucks...blah, blah, blah." And before ANYBODY goes into their "well look at this years team without LBJ....they DO suck" shit, this ISN'T the same supporting cast that he had last year.

  Who gives a shit if Cleveland's 12th man was better than Boston's 12th man? Playoff rotations get shortened to 7, maybe 8 players. If you honestly think Cleveland's top 7 was better than Boston's there isn't any point in your discussing basketball. Cleveland had the advantage at one position, and its not like Pierce is a bum.
• thedynasty1998

  

  BR1986FB;699629 wrote:Not that I'm going to spend the painstaking time to try to find the article but there was a reason for the 3 year deal. He couldn't move to make this "Dream Team" in Miami (or wherever they'd end up) happen. Somehow the contracts would not align for all three colluders to join forces when his first contract was up or he would've been gone then.

  
  I'm not going to say that's not true, because that is one of the conspiracy theories, but I'm skeptical of it. It took a really unique situation for a team to have the cap space to get it done, and Miami was in that situation.
• wes_mantooth

  

  thedynasty1998;699631 wrote:The pulse of the Cleveland sports scene? Not even sure what that means. I was as many Cavs games as most last year. Even attended a few.
  
  And it's laughable if anyone thinks Ferry did a good job as GM.

  
  The talking heads on ESPN always said he did, but I guess we should believe your vast NBA knowledge instead.
  
  My opinion...Ferry was a Yes man to Lebron...and he was good at that.
• ytownfootball

  

  thedynasty1998;699639 wrote:I'm not going to say that's not true, because that is one of the conspiracy theories, but I'm skeptical of it. It took a really unique situation for a team to have the cap space to get it done, and Miami was in that situation.

  
  You're skeptical...lmao
• Commander of Awesome

  

  thedynasty1998;699618 wrote:Shame for Lebron on the three year extension. He should have left immediately after his rookie deal.
  
  That's fine, most rational fans would look at the Cavs over the last six years, and say they were even in the playoff BECAUSE OF LEBRON. But you can look at it the other way.
  
  There is no way the Cavs did everything they could for Lebron. If they did, he would still be in Cleveland.

  
  Wow smh. Could say the same thing about top players in any sport. Colts only in the playoffs bc of manning etc... Nice fail arguement crynasty.
• Commander of Awesome

  

  wes_mantooth;699642 wrote:The talking heads on ESPN always said he did, but I guess we should believe your vast NBA knowledge instead.

  
  pwned.
• Pick6

  

  wes_mantooth;699615 wrote:I don't know why you guys have this debate....it is pretty easy to see what some peoples intentions are on here. You guys get sucked in to it every time!!! lmao

  
  so you see the passive aggressive trolling...so they are going to the basement? Right? Right?
• Pick6

  

  karen lotz;699622 wrote:lol that's what I thought. How do you know I wasn't a fan of LeBron when he was in Cleveland exactly? I watched Cavs games only because LeBron played for them. I have been a fan of his since watching him play in high school which is probably why I haven't suddenly changed my opinion of him from savior/hero to a fucking sellout pussy like most on the OC. I'm glad that you know so much about me.

  
  Oh, so you are nothing more than another SQ. That's nice.
• KR1245

  

  karen lotz;699622 wrote:lol that's what I thought. How do you know I wasn't a fan of LeBron when he was in Cleveland exactly? I watched Cavs games only because LeBron played for them. I have been a fan of his since watching him play in high school which is probably why I haven't suddenly changed my opinion of him from savior/hero to a fucking sellout pussy like most on the OC. I'm glad that you know so much about me.

  
  Thats great. First time I watched the kid play was when he was 15.
  
  I wonder why Cavs fans think hes a sellout/pussy....
  
  fakes an elbow injury
  quits on his team during the playoffs
  refuses to return Dan Gilberts calls or emails for 2 weeks leading up to the decision
  recruits harder to bring FA players to Miami than he dver did in his 7 years in Cleveland
  sends a twitter message about how Karma is a bitch after the Cavs loss to the Lakers
  goes on natl TV to announce to the world that hes leaving his hometown fans rather than do it the PROPER way
  
  You STILL dont understand why Cleveland/Cavs fans hate the guy? Gimme a fucking break.
• wes_mantooth

  

  Pick6;699653 wrote:so you see the passive aggressive trolling...so they are going to the basement? Right? Right?

  
  because i am too lazy to do my job.
• Pick6

  

  KR1245;699656 wrote:Thats great. First time I watched the kid play was when he was 15.
  
  I wonder why Cavs fans think hes a sellout/pussy....
  
  fakes an elbow injury
  quits on his team during the playoffs
  refuses to return Dan Gilberts calls or emails for 2 weeks leading up to the decision
  recruits harder to bring FA players to Miami than he dver did in his 7 years in Cleveland
  sends a twitter message about how Karma is a bitch after the Cavs loss to the Lakers
  goes on natl TV to announce to the world that hes leaving his hometown fans rather than do it the PROPER way
  
  You STILL dont understand why Cleveland/Cavs fans hate the guy? Gimme a fucking break.

  
  I Lebron might be half retarded. You mean to tell me you are 25 or 26 and you dont know what the hell the word "contract" means. Compares playing bball to war and calls his teammates soliders (i understand not that big of a deal), but you know its going to offend a lot of people.
• karen lotz

  

  Pick6;699655 wrote:Oh, so you are nothing more than another SQ. That's nice.

  
  
  I wouldn't go that far, just saying you were wrong in saying that I hated LeBron and the Cavs.
• BR1986FB

  wes_mantooth;699657 wrote:because i am too lazy to do my job.

  
  True story...
• BR1986FB

  Pick6;699661 wrote:I Lebron might be half retarded. You mean to tell me you are 25 or 26 and you dont know what the hell the word "contract" means. Compares playing bball to war and calls his teammates soliders (i understand not that big of a deal), but you know its going to offend a lot of people.

  
  He has an "out." His body was possessed by Kellen Winslow Jr