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NFL ruling for hit on a defenseless player

  • killer_ewok
    HitsRus;526913 wrote:Here's the video of the hit on Cribbs. There is direct helmet to helmet contact, and in no other part of Harrison's body touches Cribbs. He doesn't even attempt to use his arms. I don't see a bit of difference between what Ward did and what Harrison did.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3FJjqltDmA


    No James, Cribbs is not asleep....his brain is damaged.

    Harrison's body and consequently helmet were already headed to a spot and as it turned out.....Cribbs' helmet met Harrison's there. How the hell is Harrison supposed to redirect himself in a millisecond? I don't see how you can say the intent was there. Ward's hit/launch on Shipley was pretty deliberate IMO as was Harrison's on Massaquoi. The hit on Cribbs was a freak thing. Sometimes helmets collide without intent. Harrison's helmet was headed toward an area where Cribbs' helmet was not at the time James made his move. Unintentional IMO.
  • Non
    Just watching a lot of football, the Harrison hit on Cribbs didn't look like a "devastating" hit.

    I think when a running back or in this case a wide receiver/quarterback is carrying the ball in the trenches like that, there are so many bodies around that those types of hits are tough to avoid.

    I do think it's a lot more obvious on plays where the receiver is in the air and then gets unloaded on when he's in a defenseless position. Todd Heap was clearly in that position and the hit was on the helmet, as well, so there is no debating that hit.

    Now the big question seems to be on those plays where the receiver isn't really in a defenseless position but he barely has time to get his feet on the ground and look forward before the defensive player crushes him. That happened on the Harrison hit on Massaquoi and on the Robinson hit on Jackson. Harrison's should've been flagged I'd say because it was helmet to helmet. Robinson's hit although violent was clean because it was not helmet to helmet. That's how I would view them to be honest about it.
  • Heretic
    HitsRus;526913 wrote:Here's the video of the hit on Cribbs. There is direct helmet to helmet contact, and in no other part of Harrison's body touches Cribbs. He doesn't even attempt to use his arms. I don't see a bit of difference between what Ward did and what Harrison did.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3FJjqltDmA


    No James, Cribbs is not asleep....his brain is damaged.

    Sure thing, man. During this week, the NFL decided head shots were a much bigger problem than they were before Sunday. They announced they would be resulting in suspensions and then fined three players a total of $175K with Harrison paying $75K for the MoMass hit (as opposed to the mere $15K Ward paid...or the $50K the other two paid in case you bring up the multiple offender deal, as the other two, who also paid far more than Ward, didn't have that in their past). But...yet, they determined the Cribbs hit was just something that happened and not worth doing anything about during a time when they've decided to go all out against head shots.

    Nice try, but logicFAIL!!! You condemning that play would be the same as me saying that the MoMass hit never should have been punished. The whining of a biased fan.
  • WebFire
    The problem with Harrison's hit is that he LEAD WITH THE HELMET. Period. Case closed. That has been a penalty for decades.
  • dat dude
    It's funny the NFL has spent so much time and resources in the past few years trying to educate the players, coaches and trainers on the reality of concussions, yet Harrison refers to Cribbs as "going to sleep." The guy is a proven dirty player and an idiot as well.
  • killer_ewok
    Heretic;527037 wrote:Sure thing, man. During this week, the NFL decided head shots were a much bigger problem than they were before Sunday. They announced they would be resulting in suspensions and then fined three players a total of $175K with Harrison paying $75K for the MoMass hit (as opposed to the mere $15K Ward paid...or the $50K the other two paid in case you bring up the multiple offender deal, as the other two, who also paid far more than Ward, didn't have that in their past). But...yet, they determined the Cribbs hit was just something that happened and not worth doing anything about during a time when they've decided to go all out against head shots.

    Nice try, but logicFAIL!!! You condemning that play would be the same as me saying that the MoMass hit never should have been punished. The whining of a biased fan.

    Now, now.....you can't imply that bias has anything to do with it.

    BTW, did anybody ever respond to your post about that Turkey Jones-Terry Bradshaw picture that gets posted on here occasionally? You know, the one that some people chuckle at and have such fond memories of?
  • killer_ewok
    WebFire;527079 wrote:The problem with Harrison's hit is that he LEAD WITH THE HELMET. Period. Case closed. That has been a penalty for decades.

    The hit on Cribbs was not him leading with his helmet. Harrison was already headed to an area and Cribbs' helmet met his there. They'd have to start calling completely incidental helmet contact in every situation. That'd be ridiculous.
  • HitsRus
    ^^^^you'll need to explain that to me again because none of that makes sense. How am I being biased...I am arguing against head shots and for the NFL's recent increases in penalties, including the possibilities of suspension. I don't care who someone plays for. I posted the Cribbs video to show that even though the NFL deemed it a legal hit, it really was nothing more than a head shot.

    I personally think Harrison is an accident waiting to happen. Not just from his repeated attempts at these kinds of hits but by his statements afterwards. I was appalled at his "Cribbs is asleep" comment. The NFL lost 4 receivers last week.
  • HitsRus
    The hit on Cribbs was not him leading with his helmet. Harrison was already headed to an area and Cribbs' helmet met his there.
    Oh, BS on that. Heading to an area? Where was he going? He's in the runners immediate vicinity. Usually when you are within 2 feet of a ball carrier, you try to tackle him....yet no arms are being used. Strictly a helmet to the blind side.
  • killer_ewok
    How are you being biased??? Okay. You continue to complain about the hit on Cribbs even though the NFL saw nothing wrong with it during or after the game. If it's not bias, then you're just for the game to become flag football. Shit happens sometimes.
  • WebFire
    Doesn't matter where he was heading. He did it with his head down. It couldn't be more clear. I don't understand how you are defending that hit.

    I think the NFL is pussing out on all the nonsense about defenseless hits and stuff, but that was just old fashioned spearing, helmet-to-helmet.
  • Gblock
    obviously the players disagree

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/NFL-players-speak-out-on-NFL-s-awful-new-da?urn=nfl-278498
  • WebFire
    Yet his fine suggests the NFL is only serious about sanctioning players who cause injury, not ones who do so with vicious, reckless intent. If Jackson had popped up right after that hit, would Robinson still owe 50K today? I doubt it.
    And that was my point in the thread about the NFL being hypocrite. They sell these photos on the website for profit, UNLESS the player is injured. Talk about being reactive and not proactive!
  • killer_ewok
    WebFire;527116 wrote:Doesn't matter where he was heading. He did it with his head down. It couldn't be more clear. I don't understand how you are defending that hit.

    I think the NFL is pussing out on all the nonsense about defenseless hits and stuff, but that was just old fashioned spearing, helmet-to-helmet.

    So the NFL, who fined Harrison $75K for being a repeat offender after his hit on Massaquoi and in addition they're also taking a much tougher stance on illegal hits, essentially gave James Harrison a pass on the Cribbs hit?

    Yeah, that makes sense.
  • Prescott
    The NFL lost 4 receivers last week.
    That is unfortunate. Some of those receivers should expect an apology from the QB for hanging them out like that. Some of the WR's need to understand that against zone coverage, the prudent thing thing to do is sit down in an area and go to the ground after the catch

    .After watching Deion Branch and Tom Brady work together this past weekend , I think they should send a "How To" video to some of these teams.
  • Sonofanump
    killer_ewok;527089 wrote:BTW, did anybody ever respond to your post about that Turkey Jones-Terry Bradshaw picture that gets posted on here occasionally? You know, the one that some people chuckle at and have such fond memories of?

    I would think if that happened in 2010, Jones would miss the next four games. Charles Martin received two games for a similar incident in 1986.
  • killer_ewok
    Sonofanump;527151 wrote:I would think if that happened in 2010, Jones would miss the next four games. Charles Martin received two games for a similar incident in 1986.

    Not the point. It's the fact that Harrison is ridiculed for playing dirty but Jones' hit on Bradshaw is a knee-slapper to some on here. Which basically says,"I like it when it happens to a player on a team I hate but not when it happens to one of our own."

    If it's truly about the "safety" of the players when it comes to unnecessary hits....that shouldn't be glorified. Not talking about the league but some on here post that picture and/or get a kick out of it.

    Ya' can't have it both ways.
  • Sonofanump
    killer_ewok;527156 wrote:Not the point. It's the fact that Harrison is ridiculed for playing dirty but Jones' hit on Bradshaw is a knee-slapper to some on here. Which basically says,"I like it when it happens to a player on a team I hate but not when it happens to one of our own."

    If it's truly about the "safety" of the players when it comes to unnecessary hits....that shouldn't be glorified. Not talking about the league but some on here post that picture and/or get a kick out of it.

    Ya' can't have it both ways.
    Your talking about fans, which is short for fanatic. How many on here do you think have an objective unbiased opinion on what is and what is should be.
  • WebFire
    killer_ewok;527129 wrote:So the NFL, who fined Harrison $75K for being a repeat offender after his hit on Massaquoi and in addition they're also taking a much tougher stance on illegal hits, essentially gave James Harrison a pass on the Cribbs hit?

    Yeah, that makes sense.

    No, it doesn't make sense. They messed up.
  • killer_ewok
    Sonofanump;527182 wrote:Your talking about fans, which is short for fanatic. How many on here do you think have an objective unbiased opinion on what is and what is should be.

    You can be a fan(atic) and still be consistent. It's not that hard. Being a fan doesn't mean that one has to be hypocritical as well.
  • killer_ewok
    WebFire;527187 wrote:No, it doesn't make sense. They messed up.

    Again, they're cracking down on practically everything but they're going to let that go if it's as bad/blatant as you think it is????

    C'mon, man!!!
  • Sonofanump
    killer_ewok;527191 wrote:You can be a fan(atic) and still be consistent. It's not that hard. Being a fan doesn't mean that one has to be hypocritical as well.

    But mostly likely extremely biased.
  • WebFire
    killer_ewok;527194 wrote:Again, they're cracking down on practically everything but they're going to let that go if it's as bad/blatant as you think it is????

    C'mon, man!!!

    Yeah I don't get it either.
  • Non
    I don't think either of Harrison's hits would warrant a suspension under the new rules.

    The one on on Massaquoi would be close but I think he would just get fined.

    Merriweather's hit would be the one I'd say could warrant a suspension because the receiver was in the air and defenseless and it was also helmet-to-helmet.
  • se-alum
    killer_ewok;527090 wrote:The hit on Cribbs was not him leading with his helmet. Harrison was already headed to an area and Cribbs' helmet met his there. They'd have to start calling completely incidental helmet contact in every situation. That'd be ridiculous.
    So Harrison was just aimlessly heading to an area, diving head first with his arms tucked in, and just HAPPENED to put the crown of his helmet in the side of Cribbs' helmet?? How often does Harrison just aimlessly dive around the field??