NFL ruling for hit on a defenseless player

• Art Modell

  

  Iliketurtles;525517 wrote:It's Ohio sports fans at there finest.

  
  Losers.
• KR1245

  

  Art Modell;525563 wrote:Losers.

  
  Is it really THAT hard to have an intelligent conversation about football? The Steelers fans on this site cant even stand you. If you're older than the age of 15 I feel sorry for you. Grow up
• THE4RINGZ

  

  The fine is probably justified I like hard hits and shit happens in the heat of the moment. But as.Merrill Hodge said yesterday professional athletes have to have mental control as well ad physical control.
• raiderbuck

  Just heard on ESPN that Harrison is going to go evaluate the way he plays the game. Contemplating quiting even. Seriously?
  
  I just don't see how hard it is to actually wrap up a guy instead of heading full steam into him like that. You hardly see these kinds of blows to running backs, it's always when a guy is out in the open. The defender almost always has full view of the receiver and the catch, and has time to adjust to the receiver before heading full tilt into the guy. Whatever happened to the hits when guys would lay 'em out but still "wrap up"....think Katzenmoyer/Jones hit... a big hit, even left his feet, but he's no where near his head, and he wraps the guy.
• OQB

  

  This is getting out of hand....let's just get out the belts with flags and play flag football!
  
  
  I mean come one, I would take the risk of getting a concussion for the money they are making.
  
  If I recall, I don't hear any of the guys getting hit complaining saying we don't need these kind of hits in the game...IT"S FOOTBALL!
• OQB

  

  I wonder if Madden is going to take the hit stick out of the game too???
• HitsRus

  

  This is getting out of hand....let's just get out the belts with flags and play flag football!

  I don't know where this attitude comes from. There is no legitimate sport except boxing that doesn't penalize for blows to the heads ...and that includes hockey.Maybe it comes from guys who were raised watching WWF or some shit like that. It certainly isn't old style football where guys were taught to wrap a guy up and tackle.
• se-alum

  

  KR1245;525459 wrote:Hahaha. Says the guy who never put pads on in his life.

  In Art's defense, he has probably worn Maxi pads, so your statement isn't entirely true. Also, I like the fact that Non tried to make the argument that Steeler fans are more knowledgeable, because they have a good team, but you have Art here that blows that theory out of the water. I honestly don't believe Art has ever said anything that pertains to the actual game of football.
• WebFire

  HitsRus;525782 wrote:I don't know where this attitude comes from. There is no legitimate sport except boxing that doesn't penalize for blows to the heads ...and that includes hockey.Maybe it comes from guys who were raised watching WWF or some shit like that. It certainly isn't old style football where guys were taught to wrap a guy up and tackle.

  
  But the hit on Jackson wasn't head-to-head. So what do you say about that?
• WebFire

  raiderbuck;525712 wrote:
  I just don't see how hard it is to actually wrap up a guy instead of heading full steam into him like that. You hardly see these kinds of blows to running backs, it's always when a guy is out in the open. The defender almost always has full view of the receiver and the catch, and has time to adjust to the receiver before heading full tilt into the guy.

  On those crossing routes, it's a natural reaction to the ball and defender simultaneously is to try and knock him out. You are trying to prevent a catch and/or jar the ball loose. It's like the baserunner plowing over the catcher in baseball.
  
  I know, I played both CB and WR.
• Sonofanump

  WebFire;525804 wrote:But the hit on Jackson wasn't head-to-head. So what do you say about that?

  
  I am not sure if it is understood correctly (not necessarily by you but the masses), so I will clarify. It does not need to be head to head. It can be a blow to the head with a body part or a blow to the body with leading with the head. Anytime the head is involved we have a problem.
• killer_ewok

  

  HitsRus;525782 wrote:I don't know where this attitude comes from. There is no legitimate sport except boxing that doesn't penalize for blows to the heads ...and that includes hockey.Maybe it comes from guys who were raised watching WWF or some shit like that. It certainly isn't old style football where guys were taught to wrap a guy up and tackle.

  
  Hmmm. Do you remember saying the following on the Bengals-Browns thread a few weeks back?
  

  HitsRus;506518 wrote:As a Browns fan I have to say the officiating was terrible on both sides. If they keep on with these unnecessary roughness penalties, we might as well watch soccer.

  
  
  Interesting stuff there....
• GOONx19

  

  OrrvilleQB;525754 wrote:This is getting out of hand....let's just get out the belts with flags and play flag football!
  
  
  I mean come one, I would take the risk of getting a concussion for the money they are making.
  
  If I recall, I don't hear any of the guys getting hit complaining saying we don't need these kind of hits in the game...IT"S FOOTBALL!

  Haha, I got laid out playing flag football two weeks ago. I was unconscious for two minutes, am missing entire chunks of memory from the night, spent the night in the ER because they said I didn't know where I was, and still have a little bit of the black eye that came with my broken cheekbone. Flag football is far too dangerous for these athletes.
• HitsRus

  

  Ewok....Nothing interesting at all about it. I was not talking about the hit on Shipley. There were several other BS calls in that game. Ward was wrong, he was penalized, and the Bengals got a TD out of it. If he continues to head hunt he should be suspended. I'm not talking about a QB getting knocked down on continuation or some other penny ante calls....I'm talking about purposely trying to injure a guy. Give me one reason why blows to the head should be allowed/tolerated. I'm old enough to remember the Daryl Stingley injury. That was awful...and it was an accident. How long do you think it will be before something like that happens again if things continue along at this clip?
  
  
  
  ...and on the other thread you said this:
  "Pretty sure that you can't use your shoulder to drill an opposing player in the head either. Therefore, it doesn't need to be helmet-to-helmet to warrant a penalty. Shoulder to helmet=penalty."
  
  Harrison one of your boys? I'm not going to defend Ward...why are you defending this jerk.
• killer_ewok

  

  What happened to Stingley was awful....but when you make the choice to play football at any level....stuff like that can (albeit rarely) happen. I, and MANY others, don't like where the league is going with this. I like their attempts to make the game "safer" for the players....but at what cost?
• Gblock

  the only hits i've seen this year were that i found abusive/excessive were the shipley hit and the two hits to heap this weekend. the rest are part of football imo
• Art Modell

  

  Just another rule because of the Steelers. They changed all kind of rules because of the 70's Steelers. They named a rule after Hines Ward after he fucked up that punk from Cincy. They changed the rules after Kimo put Palmer out, and now they're changing the rules because James Harrison is to tough for these bottom feeders. I say instead of punishing the Steelers why dont they punish the teams that cant man up.
• killer_ewok

  

  Art Modell;526045 wrote:Just another rule because of the Steelers. They changed all kind of rules because of the 70's Steelers. They named a rule after Hines Ward after he fucked up that punk from Cincy. They changed the rules after Kimo put Palmer out, and now they're changing the rules because James Harrison is to tough for these bottom feeders. I say instead of punishing the Steelers why dont they punish the teams that cant man up.

  
  Please stop. You're ridiculous.
• HitsRus

  

  I, and MANY others, don't like where the league is going with this. I like their attempts to make the game "safer" for the players....but at what cost?

  Well I don't like the ticky tack unnecessary roughness penalties that get called, and that was what I was alluding to in the other thread.... But you have to protect the head. Those should be flagged everytime and repeat offenders suspended. Those hits to Cribbs and Massaquoi were no accident. They were delivered to injure.
• killer_ewok

  

  HitsRus;526135 wrote:Well I don't like the ticky tack unnecessary roughness penalties that get called, and that was what I was alluding to in the other thread.... But you have to protect the head. Those should be flagged everytime and repeat offenders suspended. Those hits to Cribbs and Massaquoi were no accident. They were delivered to injure.

  
  The hit on Cribbs was clean. Timmons was bringing Cribbs down and Harrison was already running toward the play to help finish the tackle and Cribbs' head lowered and that's how it happened. The NFL saw nothing wrong with that hit.
• Heretic

  

  killer_ewok;526263 wrote:The hit on Cribbs was clean. Timmons was bringing Cribbs down and Harrison was already running toward the play to help finish the tackle and Cribbs' head lowered and that's how it happened. The NFL saw nothing wrong with that hit.

  
  I seem to recall trying to explain that one a couple days back. Apparently fell on deaf ears.
• killer_ewok

  

  HitsRus;525998 wrote:Ewok....Nothing interesting at all about it. I was not talking about the hit on Shipley. There were several other BS calls in that game. Ward was wrong, he was penalized, and the Bengals got a TD out of it. If he continues to head hunt he should be suspended. I'm not talking about a QB getting knocked down on continuation or some other penny ante calls....I'm talking about purposely trying to injure a guy. Give me one reason why blows to the head should be allowed/tolerated. I'm old enough to remember the Daryl Stingley injury. That was awful...and it was an accident. How long do you think it will be before something like that happens again if things continue along at this clip?
  
  
  
  ...and on the other thread you said this:
  "Pretty sure that you can't use your shoulder to drill an opposing player in the head either. Therefore, it doesn't need to be helmet-to-helmet to warrant a penalty. Shoulder to helmet=penalty."
  
  Harrison one of your boys? I'm not going to defend Ward...why are you defending this jerk.

  Ward, by definition, deserved the penalty. That's all I was saying there. Harrison deserved a penalty on the Massaquoi hit but not on the hit on Cribbs. That was clearly incidental helmet-to-helmet whereas Ward clearly launched his shoulder at Shipley's helmet there. That looked pretty intentional to me....and to the league.
• Sonofanump

  killer_ewok;526271 wrote:Ward, by definition, deserved the penalty. That's all I was saying there. Harrison deserved a penalty on the Massaquoi hit but not on the hit on Cribbs. That was clearly incidental helmet-to-helmet whereas Ward clearly launched his shoulder at Shipley's helmet there. That looked pretty intentional to me....and to the league.

  
  Exactly right on the Ward hit.
• WebFire

  Here is Joe Paterno's take:
  
  "I said a long time ago if you want to change the game take the mask off the helmet," he said. "It will change the game a lot. If you want to change the game and get it back to where people aren't striking with the head and using the head as a weapon, take the mask off the helmet."
• HitsRus

  

  Harrison deserved a penalty on the Massaquoi hit but not on the hit on Cribbs. That was clearly incidental helmet-to-helmet whereas Ward clearly launched his shoulder at Shipley's helmet there. That looked pretty intentional to me....and to the league.

  Here's the video of the hit on Cribbs. There is direct helmet to helmet contact, and in no other part of Harrison's body touches Cribbs. He doesn't even attempt to use his arms. I don't see a bit of difference between what Ward did and what Harrison did.
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3FJjqltDmA
  
  
  No James, Cribbs is not asleep....his brain is damaged.