Archive

Browns interested in Kolb?

  • Commander of Awesome
    thedynasty1998;495624 wrote:I wasn't referring to you as his boyfriend, sorry if that's what you thought.

    I attempted to start a discussion about Delhomme (who I consider to be awful) and it turned into something far different. I wanted to talk about the overall lack of talent from a team that has been in rebuild mode for 10 years, yet got shot down.

    I am a Browns fan (far more than a Cavs fan), but I honestly have gotten tired of watching such a poor product on the field. Detroit is bad, but you look at them and you see a bunch of young talent and even though they might not win, you can watch guys mature and improve from year to year. The Browns seem to get older year after year and have failed miserably through the draft, and hopefully Holmgren can turn that around, but I'm starting to question him as well.

    More stupid crap spwewing from dynasty. Way to try to make peace and act innocent after BR pwned you.

    Funny you bring up Detroit, after they were the poster child of terrible drafting until they got a real GM there in the last 2 years, which is exactly what the Browns have now in Heckert, so nice fail talking about shit you know nothing about. G obe a fan of Detroit then, who hasnt made the plays this decade, least the browns made it 7 yrs ago and have a winning season 3 yrs ago. You are not a browns fan plain and simple.

    @ buckeyes -he always claims innocent and whines and cries and wants to be shown "how" he did what. Annoying moron who is now trying to be Al Capone's side kick, pretty pathetic.
  • Commander of Awesome
    thedynasty1998;495637 wrote:Like what? I'm not trying to get in an argument with you, I'm just really curious.

    @ Buckeyes ^ see above post. LOL his act is soo old, dont even bother responding.
  • BR1986FB
    thedynasty1998;495624 wrote: I wanted to talk about the overall lack of talent from a team that has been in rebuild mode for 10 years, yet got shot down.

    This is the overall problem with the team, in a nutshell. They need a young franchise QB but it goes a lot further than that. You get the QB, great, but we have NO receivers that instill fear in the oppositions defense. Right now our best receiving threat is Evan Moore. They need at least 3 players on offense (QB, #1 WR & RT) to be in decent shape.

    On defense the ONLY D-Lineman that I think they have that is worth anything is Rubin so they need 2 young DE's (if they stick with a 3-4 once Mangini gets canned). At linebacker, Marcus Bernard shows promise but the well is pretty dry afte that....3 more linebackers. The ONLY area I like on defense is DB's and they still need a safety to pair with TJ Ward.

    This is a team that just has a bunch of blue collar, lunch pail-type "guys" on it. You can compete like that but you're not going to win championships. Every team that is successful seems to have a few IMPACT game changing type of guys (Polamalu, Ray Lewis on defense, Drew Brees, Chris Johnson on offense). We have NONE of these. The closest thing we have to an offensive game changer is Cribbs and I don't even count him.
  • Art Modell
    Dynasty, That's what happens when you throw facts at these Brown whackjobs. They try to twist things to make you look bad. You've brought up good facts on here about the Cleveland front office and they throw you under the bus. Just like BR saying the only reason the Steelers win is because they have good players. They make no sense. I am with you on the Lions, I'll bet anyone right now that they have more wins the next 3 seasons than the Clowns do.
  • Commander of Awesome
    BR1986FB;495649 wrote:This is the overall problem with the team, in a nutshell. They need a young franchise QB but it goes a lot further than that. You get the QB, great, but we have NO receivers that instill fear in the oppositions defense. Right now our best receiving threat is Evan Moore. They need at least 3 players on offense (QB, #1 WR & RT) to be in decent shape.

    On defense the ONLY D-Lineman that I think they have that is worth anything is Rubin so they need 2 young DE's (if they stick with a 3-4 once Mangini gets canned). At linebacker, Marcus Bernard shows promise but the well is pretty dry afte that....3 more linebackers. The ONLY area I like on defense is DB's and they still need a safety to pair with TJ Ward.

    This is a team that just has a bunch of blue collar, lunch pail-type "guys" on it. You can compete like that but you're not going to win championships. Every team that is successful seems to have a few IMPACT game changing type of guys (Polamalu, Ray Lewis on defense, Drew Brees, Chris Johnson on offense). We have NONE of these. The closest thing we have to an offensive game changer is Cribbs and I don't even count him.

    I would argue that Matt Roth is a solid OLBer as well. I think we may only need two lbers. Hopefully some with some real size - see DQ. Good but just too small. I also think FS might be out biggest need on def, dont know about you but I am sick of watching E-Lame trotting out there. I actually think some younger guys like Scharering (sp?) have played reasonably well, but some talent to groom are needed, but could be addressed after WR, FS, QB, RT.
  • BR1986FB
    Art Modell;495653 wrote: Just like BR saying the only reason the Steelers win is because they have good players. They make no sense.

    Again you show your stupidity. My point, which I made PERFECTLY CLEAR, was that the Steelers were winning in SPITE of their piss poor QB's with DEFENSE. The topic WAS about QB's until you tried to steer it into Bizarro World.
  • BR1986FB
    Commander of Awesome;495656 wrote:I would argue that Matt Roth is a solid OLBer as well. I think we may only need two lbers. Hopefully some with some real size - see DQ. Good but just too small. I also think FS might be out biggest need on def, dont know about you but I am sick of watching E-Lame trotting out there. I actually think some younger guys like Scharering (sp?) have played reasonably well, but some talent to groom are needed, but could be addressed after WR, FS, QB, RT.

    Roth has been a disappointment to me this season. Him and Gocong were supposed to be pass rush specialists and Bernard seems to be the only one getting close to the QB. I like Shaefering though. High motor guy. Agree on Elam. Thought he was gonna be a stud but man he sucks.
  • thedynasty1998
    BR1986FB;495649 wrote:This is the overall problem with the team, in a nutshell. They need a young franchise QB but it goes a lot further than that. You get the QB, great, but we have NO receivers that instill fear in the oppositions defense. Right now our best receiving threat is Evan Moore. They need at least 3 players on offense (QB, #1 WR & RT) to be in decent shape.

    On defense the ONLY D-Lineman that I think they have that is worth anything is Rubin so they need 2 young DE's (if they stick with a 3-4 once Mangini gets canned). At linebacker, Marcus Bernard shows promise but the well is pretty dry afte that....3 more linebackers. The ONLY area I like on defense is DB's and they still need a safety to pair with TJ Ward.

    This is a team that just has a bunch of blue collar, lunch pail-type "guys" on it. You can compete like that but you're not going to win championships. Every team that is successful seems to have a few IMPACT game changing type of guys (Polamalu, Ray Lewis on defense, Drew Brees, Chris Johnson on offense). We have NONE of these. The closest thing we have to an offensive game changer is Cribbs and I don't even count him.

    There are other QB's in the NFL without great receivers (Cutler comes to mind). Although that is obviously a part of the game, a great QB can overcome that. And no one would disagree that the QB position is by far the most important position on a football field.

    That's another thing, Mangini is gone after this year (no idea why they kept him around this year other than saving money?), so they might have to end up rebuilding again. The biggest asset on defense is their coordinator and I think they actually play hard and are able to compete, but they need more talent to get to that next level.

    That's the thing about game changers, how often have they had picks near the top of the draft and chosen to trade down to build depth? They need to get some of those elite talent players. I thought the Haden pick was a stretch, but it's hard to criticize it. But with that said, I much rather would have seen an offensive player in hopes that they could provide that spark.
  • Commander of Awesome
    BR1986FB;495666 wrote:Roth has been a disappointment to me this season. Him and Gocong were supposed to be pass rush specialists and Bernard seems to be the only one getting close to the QB. I like Shaefering though. High motor guy. Agree on Elam. Thought he was gonna be a stud but man he sucks.
    Gocong hasnt been rushing the passer, but he's solid against the run. I think he might be better suited to the outside and bring Fujita inside. Fujita is too slow for OLBer. Roth seems to be getting doubled, which may have led to some Bernard's success. While Roth isnt racking up the sacks, he's been solid in every other faucet.
  • Commander of Awesome
    thedynasty1998;495668 wrote:There are other QB's in the NFL without great receivers (Cutler comes to mind). Although that is obviously a part of the game, a great QB can overcome that. And no one would disagree that the QB position is by far the most important position on a football field.

    That's another thing, Mangini is gone after this year (no idea why they kept him around this year other than saving money?), so they might have to end up rebuilding again. The biggest asset on defense is their coordinator and I think they actually play hard and are able to compete, but they need more talent to get to that next level.

    That's the thing about game changers, how often have they had picks near the top of the draft and chosen to trade down to build depth? They need to get some of those elite talent players. I thought the Haden pick was a stretch, but it's hard to criticize it. But with that said, I much rather would have seen an offensive player in hopes that they could provide that spark.

    Cutler has a real OC.
  • Art Modell
    BR1986FB;495661 wrote:Again you show your stupidity. My point, which I made PERFECTLY CLEAR, was that the Steelers were winning in SPITE of their piss poor QB's with DEFENSE. The topic WAS about QB's until you tried to steer it into Bizarro World.

    I agree they're winning with defense right now dipshit. But they're also winning with 3rd and 4th qbs. You guys cant beat bottom feeders with your starters. Do you understand that Forrest?
  • BR1986FB
    thedynasty1998;495668 wrote:There are other QB's in the NFL without great receivers (Cutler comes to mind). Although that is obviously a part of the game, a great QB can overcome that. And no one would disagree that the QB position is by far the most important position on a football field.

    That's another thing, Mangini is gone after this year (no idea why they kept him around this year other than saving money?), so they might have to end up rebuilding again. The biggest asset on defense is their coordinator and I think they actually play hard and are able to compete, but they need more talent to get to that next level.

    That's the thing about game changers, how often have they had picks near the top of the draft and chosen to trade down to build depth? They need to get some of those elite talent players. I thought the Haden pick was a stretch, but it's hard to criticize it. But with that said, I much rather would have seen an offensive player in hopes that they could provide that spark.

    Good point about Cutler but our WR's would be 2's & 3's on other teams.

    Firing Mangini presents a problem if they go with a coach like Gruden. Gruden historically has run a 4-3 which would mean another personnel overhaul unless they kept Ryan.

    Haden was a reach but he should be solid. They need as many young studs as they can get but traded down 3x's to draft a center (which was a need) is kind of anti-climatic.
  • Commander of Awesome
    Art Modell;495673 wrote:I agree they're winning with defense right now dipshit. But they're also winning with 3rd and 4th qbs. You guys cant beat bottom feeders with your starters. Do you understand that Forrest?

    Winning despite your qb play, thats what he is saying, but you cant comprehend (see definition) that.
  • BR1986FB
    Art Modell;495673 wrote:I agree they're winning with defense right now dipshit. But they're also winning with 3rd and 4th qbs. You guys cant beat bottom feeders with your starters. Do you understand that Forrest?

    They are winning with special teams & defense, NOT because they even NEED a QB at this point. Do ya get that, Jethro?
  • BR1986FB
    Commander of Awesome;495669 wrote:Gocong hasnt been rushing the passer, but he's solid against the run. I think he might be better suited to the outside and bring Fujita inside. Fujita is too slow for OLBer. Roth seems to be getting doubled, which may have led to some Bernard's success. While Roth isnt racking up the sacks, he's been solid in every other faucet.

    Which, like the calls of the offensive coordinator, leaves one scratching their head. Fujita has NEVER been good at getting after the passer. Wonder if it's just because he's better in coverage?
  • Art Modell
    BR1986FB;495677 wrote:They are winning with special teams & defense, NOT because they even NEED a QB at this point. Do ya get that, Jethro?

    It's called being a great team. Do what it takes to win. Why just you admit that Pittsburgh has a good organization. Is that too hard Goober?
  • Art Modell
    I told you Cleveland pukes the Steelers would show you how to beat a bottom feeder.
    Pittsburgh-38
    Tampa-13
    And we did it with our 4th string qb. Where's BR at. Our offense still suck? Averaging 24 pts per game Br. Yea they suck. 3-0 bro!!!!!
  • Art Modell
    I almost forgot. Our 5th stringer also got a few snaps today.
  • killer_ewok
    Geez, Art. Give it a rest.
  • SportsAndLady
    Art Modell;498185 wrote:I told you Cleveland pukes the Steelers would show you how to beat a bottom feeder.
    Pittsburgh-38
    Tampa-13
    And we did it with our 4th string qb. Where's BR at. Our offense still suck? Averaging 24 pts per game Br. Yea they suck. 3-0 bro!!!!!

    Did you say all of that out loud as your boyfriend was banging you in the ass after the game?
  • Art Modell
    BR, Commander, and likethis are all no shows tonight. hahahaaaa
  • Commander of Awesome
    Sorry you POS, I dont live on here like you. I mainly only come on here at work. I know BR is the same way which has been stated before. Nice fail buffoon.
  • BR1986FB
    Art Modell;498477 wrote:BR, Commander, and likethis are all no shows tonight. hahahaaaa

    You dumb mother fucker. I almost feel bad saying that because with the way you post you can't be older than 7. I made it PERFECTLY clear that once I leave work at 4pm Friday I'm not on here again until Monday. So I suppose I get to look forward to your "where's BR hiding at?" posts EVERY Monday since you now KNOW, for the SECOND TIME (kinda like 17x's less you tried to figure out your password before you realized you had to change your user name to Modell) that I don't get on here on weekends.

    God I bet your dad is pissed that the Glad bag and rubber band he used on your mom broke.
  • From the Hills
    Back to the original topic of this thread. Like I posted during the off season, I would still take Kolb in a heartbeat. IMO he is becoming more trade able every game Vick plays well. However, Eagles would probably want a quarterback in return (Wallace) and a high draft pick.

    Also, I don't think it is necessary to draft and groom a QB. This works for some teams, but like some have posted not well for the Browns. Why not make the trade for Kolb and give him a shot. Kurt Warner was not a draft and develop qb and look how his career ended up.

    It will be tough to suceed in the passing game with this team whoever the qb. Like BR stated the receiving corps are void of talent. Did Massaquoi even play vs. Ravens. Don't remember his name ever mentioned. Right side of the line was a lot better with Pashos in there and St. Clair out.
  • BR1986FB
    From the Hills;500105 wrote:Did Massaquoi even play vs. Ravens. Don't remember his name ever mentioned.

    Wallace threw ONE pass his way. Otherwise it was all Cribbs & Watson. Didn't really hear Evan Moore's name mentioned either.