Cleveland Cavaliers official offseason thread
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thedynasty1998
Good post. Whose eyes wouldn't light up when you have Jamison or Varejao, or even Shaq guarding them?SQ_Crazies wrote:
With inside information like this, no wonder he thinks we're all stupid...thedynasty1998 wrote: But Dwight Howard, Garnett and the Lakers bigs loved the current lineup. -
se-alum
Varejao is a much better defender than Stoudemire.thedynasty1998 wrote:
Good post. Whose eyes wouldn't light up when you have Jamison or Varejao, or even Shaq guarding them?SQ_Crazies wrote:
With inside information like this, no wonder he thinks we're all stupid...thedynasty1998 wrote: But Dwight Howard, Garnett and the Lakers bigs loved the current lineup. -
gibby08
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Yea I don't think so -
SQ_Crazies
LMAO, Varejao is most definitely a better defender than Amare. Not even debatable. -
thedynasty1998
It is debatable. I think Varejao is a poor on the ball defender, however he plays hard and has good positioning which leads people to believe he's a good defender.SQ_Crazies wrote: LMAO, Varejao is most definitely a better defender than Amare. Not even debatable.
Amare is a better on the ball defender, a better shot blocker and a better rebounder.
Plus, the NBA is about scoring the ball. You have limited value when you are as inept offensively as Varejao and are undersized defensively. -
SQ_Crazies
Blah, blah, blah.
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ytownfootball
Yeah, there you go getting yourself into trouble attempting to think again...nice input.gibby08 wrote: ^^^
Yea I don't think so
Jamison was not terrible defending Garnett, he scored well, but Jamison was right in his face. He shot very well, it happens. He got beat not sticking with his man on several occasions, but Jamison was far from a huge liability on defense. He wasn't lockdown, but he wasn't a swinging gate either like some of you goofs make him out to be. -
thedynasty1998
I agree with this. I think Jamison plays really hard, however he just gives up too much size to someone like Garnett. Not much you can do other than fight position when you are guarding a guy that can turn around and shoot over you every single time.ytownfootball wrote:
Yeah, there you go getting yourself into trouble attempting to think again...nice input.gibby08 wrote: ^^^
Yea I don't think so
Jamison was not terrible defending Garnett, he scored well, but Jamison was right in his face. He shot very well, it happens. He got beat not sticking with his man on several occasions, but Jamison was far from a huge liability on defense. He wasn't lockdown, but he wasn't a swinging gate either like some of you goofs make him out to be.
It was similar to Boozer guarding Gasol. I thought Boozer defended him as well as he could, however, effort can't overcome the size gap. Gasol was able to do whatever he wanted.
That is also one of the reasons why I would argue that Stoudamire is as about as good as Varejao defensively. Varegao runs into the same problem, especially when he's playing the 5. He plays harder than anyone, but you can't overcome the physical disadvantage that he's giving up. -
SQ_Crazies
Shocker that a healthy Garnett made shots...absolute shocker...
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ytownfootball
Yeah no shit. People seem to forget he's a pretty good player when healthy. I'm more shocked that he didn't get more, more attempts too for that matter, though they didn't really need it.SQ_Crazies wrote: Shocker that a healthy Garnett made shots...absolute shocker... -
se-alum
A'mare: 1 bpgthedynasty1998 wrote:
It is debatable. I think Varejao is a poor on the ball defender, however he plays hard and has good positioning which leads people to believe he's a good defender.SQ_Crazies wrote: LMAO, Varejao is most definitely a better defender than Amare. Not even debatable.
Amare is a better on the ball defender, a better shot blocker and a better rebounder.
Plus, the NBA is about scoring the ball. You have limited value when you are as inept offensively as Varejao and are undersized defensively.
Varejao: .9 bpg
A'mare: 8.9 reb
Varejao: 7.6 reb
A'mare: 34 mpg
Varejao: 28 mpg
I would say blocks and rebounds are a wash, if not in Andy's favor. There's absolutely no way Stoudemire is better on the ball than Andy.
Unfortunately, we didn't have a healthy AV in the playoffs, and it really hurt! -
SQ_Crazies
thedynasty is too smart for things like logic...be careful when stating facts such as this.se-alum wrote: Unfortunately, we didn't have a healthy AV in the playoffs, and it really hurt! -
SQ_Crazies
Well, after a single game people decide that LeBron isn't the best player in the world--after the argument died during the season. So it's no surprise that people would forget how good Garnett is when he struggles all year with an injury. Thank the media for these clowns not being able to think for themselves..ytownfootball wrote:
Yeah no shit. People seem to forget he's a pretty good player when healthy. I'm more shocked that he didn't get more, more attempts too for that matter, though they didn't really need it.SQ_Crazies wrote: Shocker that a healthy Garnett made shots...absolute shocker... -
thedynasty1998
You are such a jackass. See your post regarding the Celtics and namely what YOU SAID ABOUT GARNETT
SQ_Crazies wrote: Garnett is a shell of his former self. Andy gives them FITS -
SQ_Crazies
Hahaha, no shit. I said that when it looked as if his legs were going to fall off. He was healthier during the series than he was all year and Andy was having back issues. Timing wasn't on our side.
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thedynasty1998
Yea, a healthy Varejao really makes a difference....SQ_Crazies wrote:
thedynasty is too smart for things like logic...be careful when stating facts such as this.se-alum wrote: Unfortunately, we didn't have a healthy AV in the playoffs, and it really hurt! -
SQ_Crazies
Statements like this one are the reason why no one takes you seriously anymore and I don't even bother arguing with you because I have zero respect for your opinion at this point.thedynasty1998 wrote:
Yea, a healthy Varejao really makes a difference....SQ_Crazies wrote:
thedynasty is too smart for things like logic...be careful when stating facts such as this.se-alum wrote: Unfortunately, we didn't have a healthy AV in the playoffs, and it really hurt! -
se-alum
Finally, we agree!thedynasty1998 wrote:
Yea, a healthy Varejao really makes a difference....SQ_Crazies wrote:
thedynasty is too smart for things like logic...be careful when stating facts such as this.se-alum wrote: Unfortunately, we didn't have a healthy AV in the playoffs, and it really hurt! -
thedynasty1998
As if anyone takes you seriously.SQ_Crazies wrote:
Statements like this one are the reason why no one takes you seriously anymore and I don't even bother arguing with you because I have zero respect for your opinion at this point.thedynasty1998 wrote:
Yea, a healthy Varejao really makes a difference....SQ_Crazies wrote:
thedynasty is too smart for things like logic...be careful when stating facts such as this.se-alum wrote: Unfortunately, we didn't have a healthy AV in the playoffs, and it really hurt!
The Cavs lost by 18, 10, 32 and 9. They were lucky to win game 1. To say a healthy Varejao makes a difference in that series is a little ridiculous. Boston was the better team, regardless of Varejao's injury.
The guy averaged 6 ppg and 6 rpg against Boston, and averaged 9 ppg and 8 rpg in the regular season. Yea, those 3 points and 2 rebounds were obviously the difference in the series. -
ytownfootball
Hey chief, ever think of looking what he did, oh I don't know, say maybe against Boston?
...and if you don't think he played any better against the C's than most, then SQ's spot on in his assessment of your opinions. -
thedynasty1998
I haven't looked up his stats, but I'm assuming he played well against Boston since you bring it up?ytownfootball wrote: Hey chief, ever think of looking what he did, oh I don't know, say maybe against Boston?
...and if you don't think he played any better against the C's than most, then SQ's spot on in his assessment of your opinions.
But that's my whole point about Varejao. He plays harder than anyone else, and that's what can make someone like him successful in the regular season. I give him credit for his effort, because he always brings it. But in the playoffs, you have to be able to elevate your game, but Varejao is maxed out because all he can do is play hard.
It's different playing against a KG in the regular season compared to a KG in the playoffs.
I'll admit that Varejao's injury probably slowed him down a little, but to think a role player being injured makes the difference is a stretch. If you wanted to argue Lebron's elbow that's one thing, but a role player's injury slowing him down is different. -
ytownfootball
SMH...that makes no sense whatsoever.
If you wanted to argue Lebron's elbow that's one thing, but a role player's injury slowing him down is different. -
thedynasty1998
Edit: I didn't mean slowing him down, I meant making the difference in a series.
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krazie45
All I saw was someone saying Stoudemire was a good defender and a spit my drink all over my computer in laughter. -
kobeismvp
It wasn't a "single" game for me that decided it, it has been the entire Playoffs.SQ_Crazies wrote:
Well, after a single game people decide that LeBron isn't the best player in the world--after the argument died during the season. So it's no surprise that people would forget how good Garnett is when he struggles all year with an injury. Thank the media for these clowns not being able to think for themselves..ytownfootball wrote:
Yeah no shit. People seem to forget he's a pretty good player when healthy. I'm more shocked that he didn't get more, more attempts too for that matter, though they didn't really need it.SQ_Crazies wrote: Shocker that a healthy Garnett made shots...absolute shocker...