What are the Cavaliers missing?

• BR1986FB

  Cleveland Buck wrote: I would need to know why they (specifically LeBron) quit before I could answer the question.

  Reghi had Lebron's HS coach (Keith Dambrot?) on today and he (Dambrot) said that there had to be something going on in Lebron's head for him to just shut down without a fight. He didn't know what it was but it was obviously something.
  
  If he INTENTIONALLY tanked it to have fans turn on him so he had an easy "out", he should have his testicles cut off and fed to him.
• Cleveland Buck

  

  Obviously something was going on. After he hit the back-to-back threes last night, they went to the bench for a timeout and LeBron was sitting by himself talking to himself like he was mentally ill or something. I don't know if he was on drugs or if someone paid him off or threatened him or what, but it looked very strange.
• BR1986FB

  Yeah, most of the callers on WKNR on Wednesday were predictiong him to go off for 45-50 last night to give everyone the big "F-U" and he doesn't. He was on the floor but he really wasn't in the game.
• Heretic

  

  The first thing that needs known to answer this question involves his health (ELBOWGATE!!!). He seemed passive a lot in the final games and had way to many of those "drive, get indecisive and turn the ball over" plays for a dude of his stature.
  
  As an uneducated guess for what they're missing not knowing the answer to the above...
  
  1. A good coach. I thought Brown was a big part of their losing. Athletic guys like Moon and Hickson were buried on the bench (as was a streaky, but hot when on, shooter in Gibson) while Mo, Parker, Jamison all were allowed to suck with regularity. If you have a DEEP team, then fucking use the role players in place of the starters who aren't getting it done. Well, MORE role players than the old center who'd been off for a month or more due to the Washington trade and was still rusty.
  
  2. An upper-tier player with a "refuse-to-lose" mentality. For whatever reason, LeBron was too passive in the key games in the series. Judging from the game 5 debacle, Shaq might still have the mentality, but he's an aged, limited player who can't spark a team to victory by himself. Mo tends to suck in big games, as we've all found out over the past two years...he had a very good first half last night, but couldn't maintain things for the entire game. I don't know if Jamison's ever been on a truly quality team...I do know he seemed out of his league against Boston when it really counted. I honestly think that if they had a guy who fits the "gritty veteran who puts up good stats and can inspire a team to fight for 48+" role, they'd still be active. Like...Garnett's a fiery guy and he had his best six-game stretch of the year against Cleveland. If the Cavs had him, they'd have won. But they have no complementary player with his "skill+heart" package.
• Nate

  sleeper wrote: I don't really know what happened with the Cavs but just from reading on here and other forums, it seems a lot of people are using this cliched tidbit:
  
  The Cavs are built for the regular season, not the playoffs.
  
  What the hell does that even mean? How do you "build a team for the playoffs"?
  
  Here's the way I see it, the Cavs still don't have a legitimate second scoring option. I know Mo Williams, Shaq, and Jamison were suppose to provide the scoring when Lebron was out, but all of them flopped. Mo disappeared completely, Shaq resorted to crappy soft touch shots, and Jamison reverted to nothing more than a mere role player. I don't think Shaq should have been playing those minutes, Hickson and Varejao are our best front court because they are mobile.
  
  Like most of you, I am frustrated, especially since I really thought they would win it all this year. But until Lebron leaves, this is still a really good team, but I guess my question would be, what are they missing? I think getting Bosh or Amare is a pipe dream, Wade will stay in Miami, Ray Allen with Boston, Joe Johnson won't come here, etc...I also don't see many teams willing to deal for the likes of Delonte, Mo, Hickson, or Jamison, especially not for a superstar. Z will retire, Shaq might keep playing, but probably not on the Cavs, and that of course leaves us a little thin on the front court.
  
  Ok, I'm just rambling on now.
  
  Thoughts?

  I still think they need a TRUE SG. Anthony Parker is not a starter. Great role player, but not a starter. Also, Mike Brown has to go.
  

  newarkcatholicfan wrote: Which Dallas team?
  
  I am a Cowboys fan and I have not heard one fan say that about them.
  I will guess you are talking about the Mavs?

  FYI I've heard Cowboy fans talk year after year about how "this is the year". I remember hearing them circle jerk over the fact that they got Roy Williams and he was the missing piece to the puzzle. HA!
  

  newarkcatholicfan wrote:

  mattinctown wrote:

  newarkcatholicfan wrote: I will take your word for it being the only person I know who roots for the Mavs is myself, after the Lakers of course.

  I'm wondering if Dallas wins the title next year if we will see a
  
  LIFETIME
  Dallas Mavericks
  
  ?????

  Being my fav teams have been the same forever and I have posted the same teams since posting on all sites including this one where the gay clique runs wild the answer to your question is no.

  Was clique the word of the day on Sesame Street or something?
• Automatik

  

  As far as personnel, I honestly don't know. I thought that definitely had the players to win it all.
  
  I would put a lot of blame on Mike Brown. It seems like he never was really sure on what 5 to have out there. One minute hes playing fast, the next hes slows it up to half court sets. No Hickson?? Why? If Phil Jackson was leading that team do you think they would have bowed out in the 2nd round? HELL NO.
• I drain 3's

  A legit second star to play alongside Lebron. To win a championship in this league, you need at least two star players, if not more. Look at the teams left, the Suns have Nash, Amare, and Richardson is no slouch. Lakers have Kobe, Gasol, and if you want you could throw guys like Artest and Odom in there. Orlando has VC, Howard, and Nelson. And of course we know Boston's Big 4.
  
  When I think of elite PG's, Mo Williams doesn't come to mind. Same when I think of elite PF's and elite C's. Jamison and Shaq don't come to mind. We need a legit star, a Wade, Stoudamire, Bosh. Someone along those lines. Also, we need a new coach. Someone who sets a rotation and sticks with it. More often than not, Mike Brown just looks lost out there, plugging guys in and out, giving them no real rhythm.
  
  I forget who it was, but someone on ESPN made a good point. Mike Brown was known as being a defensive coach and the Cavaliers had really stepped up there D the past couple years. Then guys like Mo, Jamison, and Shaq are brought in. Those guys aren't exactly known for the defense. Average at best.
• Heelz

  

  Built for the regular season means,playing well and dancing like a clown when teams only play half ass defense. Built for the playoffs means being able to play well when players are putting effort forward and playing hard nose gritty defense and not choking also proving that you are MVP and not giving half ass effort. Any questions? ask the guy at the bank.
• Footwedge

  Cavs digressed this year for one reason...Shaq. He ruined the team. The 08/09 team was much better. The Cavs will compete next year by not resigning Shaq nor Z.
  
  Obviously, Lebron needs to be re-signed, or else the team will have to go through some major rebuilding.
  
  They need to get rid of or trade Parker and bring in either Bosh or Bogut.
• I drain 3's

  Footwedge wrote: Cavs digressed this year for one reason...Shaq. He ruined the team. The 08/09 team was much better. The Cavs will compete next year by not resigning Shaq nor Z.
  
  Obviously, Lebron needs to be re-signed, or else the team will have to go through some major rebuilding.
  
  They need to get rid of or trade Parker and bring in either Bosh or Bogut.

  Why the hell would Milwaukee give up Bogut? He's the only big guy they have that's worth a damn. I don't see any way they're giving him up, not for anything that we could offer them. Bosh is a long shot as well.
• Footwedge

  I drain 3's wrote:

  Footwedge wrote: Cavs digressed this year for one reason...Shaq. He ruined the team. The 08/09 team was much better. The Cavs will compete next year by not resigning Shaq nor Z.
  
  Obviously, Lebron needs to be re-signed, or else the team will have to go through some major rebuilding.
  
  They need to get rid of or trade Parker and bring in either Bosh or Bogut.

  Why the hell would Milwaukee give up Bogut? He's the only big guy they have that's worth a damn. I don't see any way they're giving him up, not for anything that we could offer them. Bosh is a long shot as well.

  Reread the thread title dumbfuck. There are ways to get deals done. The Celtics swung trades to bring in KG and Allen. They found a way.
  
  As for Bosh...are you really that fuggin stupid? The man's a free agent.
• Al Bundy

  I drain 3's wrote:

  Footwedge wrote: Cavs digressed this year for one reason...Shaq. He ruined the team. The 08/09 team was much better. The Cavs will compete next year by not resigning Shaq nor Z.
  
  Obviously, Lebron needs to be re-signed, or else the team will have to go through some major rebuilding.
  
  They need to get rid of or trade Parker and bring in either Bosh or Bogut.

  Why the hell would Milwaukee give up Bogut? He's the only big guy they have that's worth a damn. I don't see any way they're giving him up, not for anything that we could offer them. Bosh is a long shot as well.

  Everyone expects teams to give us their best players for our 10th best player.
• I drain 3's

  Footwedge wrote:

  I drain 3's wrote:

  Footwedge wrote: Cavs digressed this year for one reason...Shaq. He ruined the team. The 08/09 team was much better. The Cavs will compete next year by not resigning Shaq nor Z.
  
  Obviously, Lebron needs to be re-signed, or else the team will have to go through some major rebuilding.
  
  They need to get rid of or trade Parker and bring in either Bosh or Bogut.

  Why the hell would Milwaukee give up Bogut? He's the only big guy they have that's worth a damn. I don't see any way they're giving him up, not for anything that we could offer them. Bosh is a long shot as well.

  Reread the thread title dumbfuck. There are ways to get deals done. The Celtics swung trades to bring in KG and Allen. They found a way.
  
  As for Bush...are you really that fuggin stupid? The man's a free agent.

  I know what the thread title says, dumbfuck. Yeah, a legit big guy is what the Cavaliers are missing, but jesus lets get a little realistic here. While were at it why don't we just say the Cavs need to find a way to bring in Dwight Howard. That probably has about as much a chance of happening as Milwaukee trading Bogut here. They've got a good young combo in Jennings and Bogut. I'm pretty sure they're going to try and start building their team, not destroy it.
  
  And as far as Bosh goes, no shit he's a free agent. Try telling me something I don't already know. Are you trying to tell me that getting Bosh to come to Cleveland, isn't a long shot?
  
  To many variables to call it anything but a long shot. What's Miami going to do yo try and lure him there, if Wade moves where does he go, is Lebron staying or leaving Cleveland, is Shaq retiring or not, does Bosh want to play alongside Shaq, what's that do with Jamison...
  
  I'd think we'd have a better chance of getting Amare. At least the Cavs and Suns have shown somewhat mutual interest.
• Footwedge

  I drain 3's wrote:

  Footwedge wrote:

  I drain 3's wrote:

  Footwedge wrote: Cavs digressed this year for one reason...Shaq. He ruined the team. The 08/09 team was much better. The Cavs will compete next year by not resigning Shaq nor Z.
  
  Obviously, Lebron needs to be re-signed, or else the team will have to go through some major rebuilding.
  
  They need to get rid of or trade Parker and bring in either Bosh or Bogut.

  Why the hell would Milwaukee give up Bogut? He's the only big guy they have that's worth a damn. I don't see any way they're giving him up, not for anything that we could offer them. Bosh is a long shot as well.

  Reread the thread title dumbfuck. There are ways to get deals done. The Celtics swung trades to bring in KG and Allen. They found a way.
  
  As for Bush...are you really that fuggin stupid? The man's a free agent.

  I know what the thread title says, dumbfuck. Yeah, a legit big guy is what the Cavaliers are missing, but jesus lets get a little realistic here. While were at it why don't we just say the Cavs need to find a way to bring in Dwight Howard. That probably has about as much a chance of happening as Milwaukee trading Bogut here. They've got a good young combo in Jennings and Bogut. I'm pretty sure they're going to try and start building their team, not destroy it.
  
  And as far as Bosh goes, no shit he's a free agent. Try telling me something I don't already know. Are you trying to tell me that getting Bosh to come to Cleveland, isn't a long shot?
  
  To many variables to call it anything but a long shot. What's Miami going to do yo try and lure him there, if Wade moves where does he go, is Lebron staying or leaving Cleveland, is Shaq retiring or not, does Bosh want to play alongside Shaq, what's that do with Jamison...
  
  I'd think we'd have a better chance of getting Amare. At least the Cavs and Suns have shown somewhat mutual interest.

  Get off the thread...you are are too stupid to discuss the with.
  
  Closing bullets then I am done with you.
  
  1. Only an idiot doesn't understand that Shaq is done in Cleveland. He ruined this team...just as he absolutley ruined Phoenix last year.
  
  2. Bosh is a FA. Gilbert is rich. Connect the fuggin dots.
  
  3. Aas for Bogut...teams with money get things done. Does the Pau Gasol trade ring a bell?
  
  The thread asks what needs to be done. Question answered.
  
  Run along.
• Footwedge

  Al Bundy wrote:

  I drain 3's wrote:

  Footwedge wrote: Cavs digressed this year for one reason...Shaq. He ruined the team. The 08/09 team was much better. The Cavs will compete next year by not resigning Shaq nor Z.
  
  Obviously, Lebron needs to be re-signed, or else the team will have to go through some major rebuilding.
  
  They need to get rid of or trade Parker and bring in either Bosh or Bogut.

  Why the hell would Milwaukee give up Bogut? He's the only big guy they have that's worth a damn. I don't see any way they're giving him up, not for anything that we could offer them. Bosh is a long shot as well.

  Everyone expects teams to give us their best players for our 10th best player.

  If a deal can't be swung to bring in Bogut, then sign Bosh. Problem solved.
  
  And for the record, the Cavs have plenty of ialented and young players to attract Bosh from the cash strapped Bucks. Don't rule that out.
• osu45804

  

  I think Mike Brown is to blame..... Yes the Cavs had/have lots of depth, but in the playoffs it's all about rotation and chemistry. You can't play 10-11 guys in every playoff game. Z, Andy, JJ, Boobie, Moon, Parker, Powe off the bench would get minutes but you build no flow playing that many guys in a game in the playoffs. You normally have to have a short bench in the post-season so everyone knows "okay I'm getting this many minutes and have to provide these kind of numbers" mentality. Boston's bench may not have been as deep, But guys like Sheed, Baby, Tony Allen know their role and know and those were the main three off the bench. The only time Marquis Daniels, Nate Robinson or Shelden Williams got in a game was the end of the quarter/half situations or blowouts. I don't know if anyone else agrees with this but that's just my outside opinion.
• sleeper

  

  Footwedge wrote:

  Al Bundy wrote:

  I drain 3's wrote:

  Footwedge wrote: Cavs digressed this year for one reason...Shaq. He ruined the team. The 08/09 team was much better. The Cavs will compete next year by not resigning Shaq nor Z.
  
  Obviously, Lebron needs to be re-signed, or else the team will have to go through some major rebuilding.
  
  They need to get rid of or trade Parker and bring in either Bosh or Bogut.

  Why the hell would Milwaukee give up Bogut? He's the only big guy they have that's worth a damn. I don't see any way they're giving him up, not for anything that we could offer them. Bosh is a long shot as well.

  Everyone expects teams to give us their best players for our 10th best player.

  If a deal can't be swung to bring in Bogut, then sign Bosh. Problem solved.
  
  And for the record, the Cavs have plenty of ialented and young players to attract Bosh from the cash strapped Bucks. Don't rule that out.

  Bosh is going to want a max contract and the Cavs can't sign him to that. I think the most we can give a free agent is 8 million assuming both Z and Shaq retire, and we sign him before we sign Lebron. It's hopeless, the only way to get Bosh or Bogut is S&T, so in Ferry we trust to get it done. He hoodwinked Shaq and Jamison for peanuts so at least he has a track record.
• Automatik

  

  osu45804 wrote: I think Mike Brown is to blame..... Yes the Cavs had/have lots of depth, but in the playoffs it's all about rotation and chemistry. You can't play 10-11 guys in every playoff game. Z, Andy, JJ, Boobie, Moon, Parker, Powe off the bench would get minutes but you build no flow playing that many guys in a game in the playoffs. You normally have to have a short bench in the post-season so everyone knows "okay I'm getting this many minutes and have to provide these kind of numbers" mentality. Boston's bench may not have been as deep, But guys like Sheed, Baby, Tony Allen know their role and know and those were the main three off the bench. The only time Marquis Daniels, Nate Robinson or Shelden Williams got in a game was the end of the quarter/half situations or blowouts. I don't know if anyone else agrees with this but that's just my outside opinion.

  As Lil' Wayne once said....."You hit the nail on the head with a hammer"
• I drain 3's

  Footwedge wrote:

  I drain 3's wrote:

  Footwedge wrote:

  I drain 3's wrote:

  Footwedge wrote: Cavs digressed this year for one reason...Shaq. He ruined the team. The 08/09 team was much better. The Cavs will compete next year by not resigning Shaq nor Z.
  
  Obviously, Lebron needs to be re-signed, or else the team will have to go through some major rebuilding.
  
  They need to get rid of or trade Parker and bring in either Bosh or Bogut.

  Why the hell would Milwaukee give up Bogut? He's the only big guy they have that's worth a damn. I don't see any way they're giving him up, not for anything that we could offer them. Bosh is a long shot as well.

  Reread the thread title dumbfuck. There are ways to get deals done. The Celtics swung trades to bring in KG and Allen. They found a way.
  
  As for Bush...are you really that fuggin stupid? The man's a free agent.

  I know what the thread title says, dumbfuck. Yeah, a legit big guy is what the Cavaliers are missing, but jesus lets get a little realistic here. While were at it why don't we just say the Cavs need to find a way to bring in Dwight Howard. That probably has about as much a chance of happening as Milwaukee trading Bogut here. They've got a good young combo in Jennings and Bogut. I'm pretty sure they're going to try and start building their team, not destroy it.
  
  And as far as Bosh goes, no shit he's a free agent. Try telling me something I don't already know. Are you trying to tell me that getting Bosh to come to Cleveland, isn't a long shot?
  
  To many variables to call it anything but a long shot. What's Miami going to do yo try and lure him there, if Wade moves where does he go, is Lebron staying or leaving Cleveland, is Shaq retiring or not, does Bosh want to play alongside Shaq, what's that do with Jamison...
  
  I'd think we'd have a better chance of getting Amare. At least the Cavs and Suns have shown somewhat mutual interest.

  Get off the thread...you are are too stupid to discuss the with.
  
  Closing bullets then I am done with you.
  
  1. Only an idiot doesn't understand that Shaq is done in Cleveland. He ruined this team...just as he absolutley ruined Phoenix last year.
  
  2. Bosh is a FA. Gilbert is rich. Connect the fuggin dots.
  
  3. Aas for Bogut...teams with money get things done. Does the Pau Gasol trade ring a bell?
  
  The thread asks what needs to be done. Question answered.
  
  Run along.

  Really? I'm stupid? Just cause you have money, doesn't mean we can sign him. See, they have this thing in the NBA, it's called a salary cap, and i'm pretty sure the Cavaliers are over it, thus, we can not sign a free agent to a max contract like Bosh is going to want. If were gonna try and get Bosh, it's going to have to be through a sign and trade, fuckhead.
  
  The Grizzlies were horrible when they traded Gasol. That's the whole point in trading him, dumping his contract and trying to start over and rebuild the team. Use a little fucking common sense. Do you honestly believe, that a team with two stars in the making (Bogut and Jennings) that made the playoffs for the first time in several years, is going to just all of a sudden trade away one of their star players? If you really believe that, you are a complete idiot. Like I said, they're building their team, not destroying it. They aren't going to trade away their promising young center for Jamison or a bunch of role players.
  
  GTFO of here with your weak shit.
• thedynasty1998

  

  sleeper wrote: He hoodwinked Shaq and Jamison for peanuts so at least he has a track record.

  Hmmmm, I wonder why? Not exactly great personnel moves...
• thedynasty1998

  

  I drain 3's wrote: Really? I'm stupid? Just cause you have money, doesn't mean we can sign him. See, they have this thing in the NBA, it's called a salary cap, and i'm pretty sure the Cavaliers are over it, thus, we can not sign a free agent to a max contract like Bosh is going to want. If were gonna try and get Bosh, it's going to have to be through a sign and trade, fuckhead.
  
  The Grizzlies were horrible when they traded Gasol. That's the whole point in trading him, dumping his contract and trying to start over and rebuild the team. Use a little fucking common sense. Do you honestly believe, that a team with two stars in the making (Bogut and Jennings) that made the playoffs for the first time in several years, is going to just all of a sudden trade away one of their star players? If you really believe that, you are a complete idiot. Like I said, they're building their team, not destroying it. They aren't going to trade away their promising young center for Jamison or a bunch of role players.
  
  GTFO of here with your weak shit.

  Well said!
• sleeper

  

  thedynasty1998 wrote:

  sleeper wrote: He hoodwinked Shaq and Jamison for peanuts so at least he has a track record.

  Hmmmm, I wonder why? Not exactly great personnel moves...

  He got Shaq for Wallace and Pavolic, those players are GARBAGE. He got Jamison(a starting PF) for the 30th pick in the draft and a 30-day loan of Z.
  
  Come again?
• Trueblue23

  

  The lack of coaching and a supporting cast is what really hurt Cleveland.
• thedynasty1998

  

  There was such a huge market for Jamison and Shaq huh? No one else even wanted Shaq. He got paid $20 million this year. They could have paid a free agent with some promise instead.
  
  Jamison obviously didn't make a difference, so at this point, you would take that trade back if you had the option. I'd rather have the 30th pick, and get someone with some potential, than have Jamison who is going to get $28 million over the next two years.
  
  How about not bringing in Shaq and signing someone like Channing Frye and paying him $2 million this year.
  
  It's just common sense.
• just_a_swimmer

  

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