At least 7 dead in shooting at Oregon college

• Belly35

  

  DeyDurkie5;1755475 wrote:You are retarded belly

  wow the four grade "retarded" word is the best you can do... Sad mofo really sad..
  
  add something to the thread or stfu
• Heretic

  

  Uz2Bon36;1755416 wrote:The Big Pharms are to blame for the heroin problem in America right now but that is a different topic....

  I won't deny that I have noticed heroin becoming a big thing in local rural communities was a thing that started happening a few months after Oxycontin hit the market.
  

  QuakerOats;1755442 wrote:Cannot disagree; although the last sentence is a stretch.

  I guess my reasoning behind the last sentence, although as you said it is a stretch, is that it seems every time you have any Big Pharm pill advertised on TV (regardless of whether it's for mental health, physical health or just to get older dudes' dicks working again), you have a laundry list of potential side effects where occasionally things like depression and the like are mentioned. And I've been around mental health pill users when they're not on their meds, at which point they are just way the hell off mentally. It's the sort of thing that makes me wonder if that stuff alters a person's brain to the point where they're completely dependent on it and snap if they have to go without. Maybe, maybe not, but I have absolutely no trust in that sort of stuff. A modern-day Pandora's Box of "solving" one problem while creating any number of others.
• queencitybuckeye

  BoatShoes;1755160 wrote:What do you propose? This kid was not clinically mentally ill. Maybe over the counter Lunesta?

  When there's a variable and a constant, and the result changes, the only thing I don't do as it would be insane to do so, is spend a lot of time looking at the constant as part of the problem solving.
• Glory Days

  

  friendfromlowry;1755426 wrote:Because CCW holders are constantly preventing mass shootings right?

  well, to be fair, most of these mass shootings happens in schools where CCW isn't allowed.
  
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• friendfromlowry

  Glory Days;1755591 wrote:well, to be fair, most of these mass shootings happens in schools where CCW isn't allowed.

  Which is why I originally said I'd be scared to be a student right now, and Belly started with his "get a gun and protect yourself" shit, despite it being illegal to have a gun in a classroom in the first place.
• QuakerOats

  University of Missouri business/law professor is now suing the university for banning guns on campus. Kudos to him.
• QuakerOats

  PS --- when Cecil the Lion was shot and killed, did the liberal Left blame the gun? Oh that's right, they went after the dentist who shot Cecil, and never mentioned gun control. For them, it isn't about guns, its all about politics and power, as usual.
• BoatShoes

  queencitybuckeye;1755543 wrote:When there's a variable and a constant, and the result changes, the only thing I don't do as it would be insane to do so, is spend a lot of time looking at the constant as part of the problem solving.

  Okay so how in your opinion do you think we might rationally approach the variables in these sorts of instances without undue burdens on law abiding people?
• Con_Alma

  BoatShoes;1755635 wrote:Okay so how in your opinion do you think we might rationally approach the variables in these sorts of instances without undue burdens on law abiding people?

  
  That's the million dollar question right now. There's no clear answer just yet.
• Belly35

  

  friendfromlowry;1755415 wrote: Philadelphia schools and universities to be on the look out this week thanks to a 4chan tip. I would be nervous as shit to be a student right now. I don't even like going to the movies anymore.

  I followed this up with get your CCW .. comment.
  

  I don't even like going to the movies anymore.[/qoute] if your walking a round in fear and depending on others to protect you .... you need to grow a pair soon..
  
  weapon does not make you mr. hero or a bad ass but it does give you an edge if a situation calls for it.
  
  Do you carry a knife?
  I carry a knife (from the age of 9 years old) I understand places like going to the airport and flying some place is never a good idea, nor is entering a federal /goverment building. I carry a knife into my kids school, throw college, work, banks, shopping, football games and church, It easy to carry in your pocket, it has a clip to hold it in place can be seem. Kershaw speedsafe 3 1/2 blade. Does a blade match up to a gun.. no but the killer does know that you have a blade.

• sherm03

  

  Glory Days;1755591 wrote:well, to be fair, most of these mass shootings happens in schools where CCW isn't allowed.
  
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  These are two videos of off-duty police officers, not just average people with a CCW going through some sort of Die Hard situation.
  
  I have never been shot at, and I've never been in a position where I had to fire a gun outside of a shooting range. But from all the conversations I've had with police officers and former armed service members, when the bullets start flying or you're in a situation like that, your training just kicks in. For a majority of citizens that have a gun, they don't have that training. So is it really a good idea to have a regular citizen with no additional training to that type of stressful environment with a weapon trying to stop an active shooter situation? They could potentially get the shooter. Or they could potentially freak out and injure other innocent people.
  
  You posting these videos in response to the question about CCW holders stopping these events really doesn't do anything since you posted videos of trained professionals who just happened to be off-duty at the time.
• queencitybuckeye

  BoatShoes;1755635 wrote:Okay so how in your opinion do you think we might rationally approach the variables in these sorts of instances without undue burdens on law abiding people?

  1. Convince the left to let go of the idea they are selling for political purposes that the problem is guns. Simple logic tells us it is not. It is a mental health issue.
  2. Convince the right, the dimwit teabaggers (excuse the redundancy) in particular, that the government actually has areas in which it can be effective (not to be confused with efficient). The mental heath system that has been dismantled over a generation is one. Put it back. It will fix the incorrectly-labelled "gun problem" far better than backdoor attempts to circumvent and ignore the constitution, and will help people whose mental issues have nothing at all to do with violence.
  
  IOW, it would take government to actually govern. I wish my confidence level in their ability to do so was not a number near zero.
• FatHobbit

  

  http://www.10tv.com/content/stories/2015/10/05/roseburg-ore.-ap-oregon-shooter-rants-in-writings-about-having-no-girlfriend.html
  
  So this guy left writings complaining about not having a girlfriend. Maybe the media pushes that, but it seems to me that at least a few of these guys probably grew up with mommy and daddy telling them how special they were and when they get in the real world and aren't being coddled anymore they can't handle it.
• Belly35

  

  FatHobbit;1755653 wrote:http://www.10tv.com/content/stories/2015/10/05/roseburg-ore.-ap-oregon-shooter-rants-in-writings-about-having-no-girlfriend.html
  
  So this guy left writings complaining about not having a girlfriend. Maybe the media pushes that, but it seems to me that at least a few of these guys probably grew up with mommy and daddy telling them how special they were and when they get in the real world and aren't being coddled anymore they can't handle it.

  
  
  Who on the OC would fit this Post discription....
  Could we get a list of mommy/daddy coddled list from the OC?
• FatHobbit

  

  Belly35;1755655 wrote:Who on the OC would fit this Post discription....
  Could we get a list of mommy/daddy coddled list from the OC?

  Ha! I would think most people here have been involved in sports and had to deal with failure on some level. (Some of them more than others! )
• friendfromlowry

  Belly35;1755640 wrote:I followed this up with get your CCW .. comment.

  I don't even like going to the movies anymore.(1)[/qoute] (2)if your walking a round in fear and depending on others to protect you .... you need to grow a pair soon..
  
  weapon does not make you mr. hero or a bad ass but it does give you an edge if a situation calls for it.
  
  Do you carry a knife?
  I carry a knife (from the age of 9 years old) I understand places like going to the airport and flying some place is never a good idea, nor is entering a federal /goverment building. I carry a knife into my kids school, throw college, work, banks, shopping, football games and church, It easy to carry in your pocket, it has a clip to hold it in place can be seem. Kershaw speedsafe 3 1/2 blade. Does a blade match up to a gun.. (3)no but the killer does know that you have a blade.

  (1) You misspelled something that was already spelled correctly for you?
  
  (2) I'm not. I said I don't like going to the movies because, as it's been proven in the past, it's ideal for people who just want to kill for the sake of killing.
  
  (3) What would the killer do when he realized he only had assault weapons and tons of ammo and you had a knife? Abort mission and run away?
• HitsRus

  

  We've let the left( as usual) frame the arguement into a gun problem when in reality there are plenty of gun laws on the books. The right counters with the "mental health" aspects which is more accurate, but probably an oversimplification of the problem and ignores other factors that contribute.
  
  We need to frame the problem for what it actually is...
  
  It is a "Mass Murder" problem ... and you need to delve into the factors as to why people are committing mass murders...and why this has spiked in the past 5 years. Sure, guns are the tools that seem to be favored, and sure, there are mental health issues involved, but guns have been around forever, and there always has been mentally disturbed people. What factors have changed that have led to this?
• Heretic

  

  Belly35;1755655 wrote:Who on the OC would fit this Post discription....
  Could we get a list of mommy/daddy coddled list from the OC?

  I'd probably start with someone who constantly is telling everyone about how tough/prepared they are about every situation, since that generally comes off as bravado masking deep insecurities.
• sleeper

  

  HitsRus;1755667 wrote:We've let the left( as usual) frame the arguement into a gun problem when in reality there are plenty of gun laws on the books. The right counters with the "mental health" aspects which is more accurate, but probably an oversimplification of the problem and ignores other factors that contribute.
  
  We need to frame the problem for what it actually is...
  
  It is a "Mass Murder" problem ... and you need to delve into the factors as to why people are committing mass murders...and why this has spiked in the past 5 years. Sure, guns are the tools that seem to be favored, and sure, there are mental health issues involved, but guns have been around forever, and there always has been mentally disturbed people. What factors have changed that have led to this?

  You forgot to add "Young white males" because they are a huge problem in this country.
• BoatShoes

  queencitybuckeye;1755652 wrote:1. Convince the left to let go of the idea they are selling for political purposes that the problem is guns. Simple logic tells us it is not. It is a mental health issue.
  2. Convince the right, the dimwit teabaggers (excuse the redundancy) in particular, that the government actually has areas in which it can be effective (not to be confused with efficient). The mental heath system that has been dismantled over a generation is one. Put it back. It will fix the incorrectly-labelled "gun problem" far better than backdoor attempts to circumvent and ignore the constitution, and will help people whose mental issues have nothing at all to do with violence.
  
  IOW, it would take government to actually govern. I wish my confidence level in their ability to do so was not a number near zero.

  You make good points. It is evident that the clamoring for "background checks" is not adequate as these recent cases involved people that pass background checks. Most of these guys have not had criminal records.
  
  With that being said, what do you think needs to be done to improve our mental health system? I have read that as far as people who exhibit traits of antagonistic personality disorder like this Mercer kid in this case, as many as 90% of them do not see mental health professionals and they do not arise to the level where they could be involuntarily committed.
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  Another serious question, most states already make it illegal for people who have diagnosed mental illnesses (in some form or another) to purchase or possess firearms. Clearly this is ineffective.
  
  What would you think about a law that put the onus on the seller. I.e.
  
  

  It is unlawful to sell or transfer a firearm to individuals with diagnosed or undiagnosed Cluster B antagonistic Personality Disorders as defined in the DSM-V such as antisocial personality disorder, narcissistic personality disorder, histrionic personality disorder, etc.

  
  
  I read somewhere that there was a period of time when the FBI (or some other agency) would publish what gun stores had their guns used in crime and this induced gun stores to take proactive steps to stop the firearms they sold from being used in crime. I am thinking something like this would do the same.
  
  In other words, maybe we could nudge the firearms industry into taking proactive steps to reduce the amount of guns that end up in the hands of folks with traits of personality disorders?
  
  Given that every state has some law on the books related to the possession of firearms by those with mental disorders, it seems to me that regulating the sale of firearms to those with mental disorders would not violate the 2nd Amendment.
  
  P.S. Well how would gun purchasers know? I am not sure. That would be up to the vendors to figure out sort of like "Know your customer" rules that burden banks to make sure they are not opening bank accounts for criminals and terrorists, etc.
• BoatShoes

  FatHobbit;1755653 wrote:http://www.10tv.com/content/stories/2015/10/05/roseburg-ore.-ap-oregon-shooter-rants-in-writings-about-having-no-girlfriend.html
  
  So this guy left writings complaining about not having a girlfriend. Maybe the media pushes that, but it seems to me that at least a few of these guys probably grew up with mommy and daddy telling them how special they were and when they get in the real world and aren't being coddled anymore they can't handle it.

  I think it is more an issue of genuine personality disorders. That Elliot Rodger guy was a coddled rich kid for sure but he was also definitely off his rocker.
• BoatShoes

  HitsRus;1755667 wrote:We've let the left( as usual) frame the arguement into a gun problem when in reality there are plenty of gun laws on the books. The right counters with the "mental health" aspects which is more accurate, but probably an oversimplification of the problem and ignores other factors that contribute.
  
  We need to frame the problem for what it actually is...
  
  It is a "Mass Murder" problem ... and you need to delve into the factors as to why people are committing mass murders...and why this has spiked in the past 5 years. Sure, guns are the tools that seem to be favored, and sure, there are mental health issues involved, but guns have been around forever, and there always has been mentally disturbed people. What factors have changed that have led to this?

  I think most on the left agree that mental health is part of the problem - hence why 90% of people support the idea of "tougher background checks" at least in theory (even though a background check won't stop a sociopath that has never committed a felony or been committed - see nearly every one of these rampage shootings).
• Belly35

  

  friendfromlowry;1755665 wrote: (3) What would the killer do when he realized he only had assault weapons and tons of ammo and you had a knife? Abort mission and run away?

  if you wait around with you head up your ass ... You become a victim
  if you have a knife, you have a chances to change from victim to surviver.
  
  some loaded down, scared shitless, crazy, nervous fuck ... Readed up on 21 feet rule...
  
  I didnt die in the tunnels or ambush of Vietnam and I sure in the hell not going to die without defending myself ... In a movie theater
  
  
  maybe that the problem ..... Nobody prepares for anything ... Just leave it up to some else or I just plug it into my iPhone
• lhslep134

  

  Belly's knife is going to do a lot of damage when the shooter is wearing body armor
• sherm03

  

  BoatShoes;1755686 wrote:I read somewhere that there was a period of time when the FBI (or some other agency) would publish what gun stores had their guns used in crime and this induced gun stores to take proactive steps to stop the firearms they sold from being used in crime. I am thinking something like this would do the same.
  
  In other words, maybe we could nudge the firearms industry into taking proactive steps to reduce the amount of guns that end up in the hands of folks with traits of personality disorders?
  
  Given that every state has some law on the books related to the possession of firearms by those with mental disorders, it seems to me that regulating the sale of firearms to those with mental disorders would not violate the 2nd Amendment.
  
  P.S. Well how would gun purchasers know? I am not sure. That would be up to the vendors to figure out sort of like "Know your customer" rules that burden banks to make sure they are not opening bank accounts for criminals and terrorists, etc.

  I read the same thing about the publishing of what gun stores had their guns used in crime today. I think that's a good start.
  
  And what about requiring something like a mental health physical prior to being able to purchase a gun? Also, how about making everyone that is purchasing a gun take and pass a gun safety course to help curb the kids that take the guns from their parent's house and use it in shootings? If someone uses your gun to commit a crime, you should be charged and held responsible in some capacity.
  
  I'm also for outlawing the sale of guns online. Pretty sure the dude who shot up the theater in Colorado purchased all of that stuff online. Let's start there and make it so you can only purchase guns from a registered seller in person.