At least 7 dead in shooting at Oregon college

• FatHobbit

  

  Raw Dawgin' it;1754677 wrote: 2) If you had a family member who was shot, you'd be sitting here going "Nothing wrong with the system, they should've known better and been carrying a gun" I doubt it.

  I'm not a huge fan of concealed carry, but I would not blame how easy it is to get a gun if a family member was shot.
  

  Raw Dawgin' it;1754677 wrote: 3) New gun regulations should make it harder for anyone to obtain one. Of course you go right to the argument "but but but...what if they only make it harder for ME to get a gun and not the crazies gang members!!" This coming from the same person who thinks the president will come take their gun away.

  
  I fail to see how me wanting to be able to protect myself is related to the president coming to take my guns away.
  
  Serious question. Do you think Obama would make guns illegal if he could?
• isadore

  
• friendfromlowry

  Does it make a difference what Obama wants? He's out office in less than 18 months and he'd never get anything passed in time - if at all, anyways.
• FatHobbit

  

  friendfromlowry;1754683 wrote:Does it make a difference what Obama wants? He's out office in less than 18 months and he'd never get anything passed in time - if at all, anyways.

  Fine, you can substitute Hilary as well. If the dems elect someone else it won't matter to me. I will not willingly put my name on a list of gun owners because there are many politicians who think that is the solution.
• FatHobbit

  

  isadore;1754681 wrote:

  Maybe less people own guns, but there are more guns in the US and gun violence is still decreasing.
  
  Additionally the people who predicted concealed carry would lead to the wild wild west were very wrong.
• friendfromlowry

  I don't think there's a shot in hell Hillary is elected president. I tend to vote democrat but she won't get my vote.
• Heretic

  

  FatHobbit;1754635 wrote:Agreed. Celebrities are famous because they are pretty or maybe entertaining. Who the fuck cares what they think.

  True, but if people like Quaker, Belly and Isadore are able to give their opinions publicly, everyone should have that right. Idiots abound all over the place.
• isadore

  FatHobbit;1754686 wrote:Maybe less people own guns, but there are more guns in the US and gun violence is still decreasing.
  
  Additionally the people who predicted concealed carry would lead to the wild wild west were very wrong.

  gosh a ruddies. why not just state the obvious. Fewer people have guns so there is less gun violence.
• sportchampps

  Drugs are not infintley harder to buy because their banned. Any drug user can find their drug choice within minutes. A drug dealer doesn't care that he selling to a 14 year old where a regulated marketplace would.
  
  It it would be the same for guns. Criminals won't care who they sell guns to as long as they have money.
  
  I am for laws that require Background Checks to be more in depth and require more time. Penalties need to be higher for people who's weapons Are used in a crime. If you own a gun its your responsibility to keep that gun away from your teenager or crazy family member.
• isadore

  Heretic;1754689 wrote:True, but if people like Quaker, Belly and Isadore are able to give their opinions publicly, everyone should have that right. Idiots abound all over the place.

  so you can find yourself a community of the like minded "all over the place."
• FatHobbit

  

  Heretic;1754689 wrote:True, but if people like Quaker, Belly and Isadore are able to give their opinions publicly, everyone should have that right. Idiots abound all over the place.

  Lol I'm not saying everyone shouldn't have that freedom. I just think it's funny when anybody gives any weight to something a celebrity says because they're famous. For example, anyone taking medical advice from Jenny Mccarthy gets what they deserve.
• Heretic

  

  FatHobbit;1754704 wrote:Lol I'm not saying everyone shouldn't have that freedom. I just think it's funny when anybody gives any weight to something a celebrity says because they're famous. For example, anyone taking medical advice from Jenny Mccarthy gets what they deserve.

  Lol, "I didn'ts get mah vaccinations because they're eeevvvillll and now I gots teh cholera!"
• sleeper

  

  sportchampps;1754700 wrote:Drugs are not infintley harder to buy because their banned. Any drug user can find their drug choice within minutes. A drug dealer doesn't care that he selling to a 14 year old where a regulated marketplace would.
  
  It it would be the same for guns. Criminals won't care who they sell guns to as long as they have money.
  
  I am for laws that require Background Checks to be more in depth and require more time. Penalties need to be higher for people who's weapons Are used in a crime. If you own a gun its your responsibility to keep that gun away from your teenager or crazy family member.

  Somehow I think cocaine not being available OTC at the grocery store and instead relies on knowing a network of trust worthy law breakers to get your fix is infinitely harder. That's just me and logic though speaking.
• Raw Dawgin' it

  

  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/oregon-shooting-weapons_560ec25be4b0dd85030bd1f9?2md9529
  
  So he purchased them legally - but the system isn't broken, right?
• friendfromlowry

  http://mashable.com/2015/10/02/jeb-bush-stuff-happens/?utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Mashable+%28Mashable%29&utm_cid=Mash-Prod-RSS-Feedburner-All-Partial&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed#PoeX_khgDZql
  
  Jeb Bush's reaction
• FatHobbit

  

  Raw Dawgin' it;1754728 wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/oregon-shooting-weapons_560ec25be4b0dd85030bd1f9?2md9529
  
  So he purchased them legally - but the system isn't broken, right?

  What fix do you propose to the system?
• Classyposter58

  

  It's like banning forks to stop people from being fat. There are 300 million of these inanimate objections in this country alone, it's already not feasible to round up 10 million illegal immigrants. Zero chance a ban happens
• queencitybuckeye

  Raw Dawgin' it;1754728 wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/oregon-shooting-weapons_560ec25be4b0dd85030bd1f9?2md9529
  
  So he purchased them legally - but the system isn't broken, right?

  The system that's really broken is the mental health treatment system. We should really stop focusing on symptoms and work on root cause instead.
  
  A generation ago:
  
  Guns: legal to own
  Mental heath system: relatively good
  Number of mass shooting incidents: small
  
  Today:
  
  Guns: legal to own
  Mental health system: horrid
  Number of mass shooting incidents: larger
• sleeper

  

  queencitybuckeye;1754750 wrote:The system that's really broken is the mental health treatment system. We should really stop focusing on symptoms and work on root cause instead.
  
  A generation ago:
  
  Guns: legal to own
  Mental heath system: relatively good
  Number of mass shooting incidents: small
  
  Today:
  
  Guns: legal to own
  Mental health system: horrid
  Number of mass shooting incidents: larger

  Just like the lack of pirates causes global warming. Spot on analysis!
• Commander of Awesome

  

  sleeper;1754604 wrote:Short of banning guns nationwide, which will never happen, I think increased background checks for gun owners, psych evals, etc. are a good start. Also increase punishments for people who commit crimes with an unregistered weapon. You can start with a grace period where people can come in with their guns and get them registered and allow for a background check free of charge. If the owner who does this is deemed unfit, the gun is taken away and they are reimbursed.
  
  Now you may say, well only the responsible people will do this, and you are right. But it's a start. Over time, I could see this being beneficial especially if owners had to re-up their psych evals every 5-10 years.

  Pretty much what Obama is proposing.
• Tiernan

  He was pretty much a psychotic retard and yet he was able to buy guns "legally"...and right there is the rub, some gun-fuck retailer who probably immediately recognized this shitbag was a half wit, preferred the cash to being responsible. And with the mentality that typically permeates that low class industry this will continue to happen over and over and over and over and over...
• Heretic

  

  queencitybuckeye;1754750 wrote:The system that's really broken is the mental health treatment system. We should really stop focusing on symptoms and work on root cause instead.
  
  A generation ago:
  
  Guns: legal to own
  Mental heath system: relatively good
  Number of mass shooting incidents: small
  
  Today:
  
  Guns: legal to own
  Mental health system: horrid
  Number of mass shooting incidents: larger

  You know, if there was one thing I'd like to see statistical evidence of to see if there's any correlation to anything, it would be the time period when it suddenly became "in" to overly medicate the fuck out anyone who seems abnormal in any way. When I was growing up, I don't recall knowing anyone living off Zoloft or Paxil or whatever, but now it seems a shit-ton of people seem to need that stuff to act "normal" -- probably because that's what they were told at some point in their youth. I've never been a fan of Big Pharm to begin with, so it makes me wonder if all their pills designed to alter a person's chemical balance might be contributing to these mentally-ill types going all kill-crazy.
• FatHobbit

  

  Tiernan;1754756 wrote:He was pretty much a psychotic retard and yet he was able to buy guns "legally"...and right there is the rub, some gun-fuck retailer who probably immediately recognized this shitbag was a half wit, preferred the cash to being responsible. And with the mentality that typically permeates that low class industry this will continue to happen over and over and over and over and over...

  You think gun dealers should make the call if someone should be allowed to buy a gun?
• queencitybuckeye

  Heretic;1754767 wrote: I've never been a fan of Big Pharm to begin with, so it makes me wonder if all their pills designed to alter a person's chemical balance might be contributing to these mentally-ill types going all kill-crazy.

  I imagine so along with the decrease/elimination of other treatments.
• fish82

  

  Heretic;1754767 wrote:You know, if there was one thing I'd like to see statistical evidence of to see if there's any correlation to anything, it would be the time period when it suddenly became "in" to overly medicate the fuck out anyone who seems abnormal in any way. When I was growing up, I don't recall knowing anyone living off Zoloft or Paxil or whatever, but now it seems a shit-ton of people seem to need that stuff to act "normal" -- probably because that's what they were told at some point in their youth. I've never been a fan of Big Pharm to begin with, so it makes me wonder if all their pills designed to alter a person's chemical balance might be contributing to these mentally-ill types going all kill-crazy.

  This...SO this.