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Freddie Gray/Baltimore Riots

  • Classyposter58
    What do you have to say about the down trodden and violent places in the rural parts of this nation that are mostly conservative? I'm a moderate republican and I'll even admit parties don't matter as much as poverty and crime do. When the educated tax base all leaves for the suburbs what else is there to do?


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  • HitsRus
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/05/28/baltimore-riots-will-cost-city-at-least-20-million/

    The city of Baltimore seeks up to $20 million in federal reimbursment, for their costs alone. That does not include the cost and damages to businesses. The Small Business Administration estimated that 38 small businesses were damaged to the tune of $9 million. Additional loss of business revenue tops $30 million.
  • QuakerOats
    http://buchanan.org/blog/killer-cops-or-malicious-prosecutor-15951

    well stated
  • gut
    I'm a little mixed on the prosecutor. So I'm a bit torn saying it's unfair to hang these guys out to dry to quell rioting directly resulting from their negligence, unintentional or not.

    Of course, it's not that simple. In this case, we're seeing how malicious prosecution has caused officers to pull back and be reactive, which may be even worse than the rioting. And the rioting didn't have to get to that point, in the first place. The decision to basically let them "vent" was irresponsible at best. Any protestors who got hurt by police trying to control things may have led to even worse rioting. In that sense, "accepting" $30M in property damage might have been an exercise in risk management.

    One issue you definitely can fault the prosecutor for....how can you overcharge like that and then work out a reasonable plea deal without inflaming the protestors that have been "led" to believe these guys are guilty of murder?

    My suspicion is this has been handled poorly all around. But let's see what charges the DA actually takes to trial, the outcome and then what happens.
  • Glory Days
    I am just curious what evidence and witnesses they have. The guy in the van already went public and said the ride wasn't that rough, at least from when he was put in the van. no one is reporting the arresting cops beat him.
  • gut
    Glory Days;1731650 wrote:The guy in the van already went public and said the ride wasn't that rough, at least from when he was put in the van.
    True. But my understanding is he was only picked up at the tail end. He maybe didn't have a rough ride, but that really says nothing about the 40 minutes prior for Freddie Gray.

    Honestly, I think the charge that may stick is failure to properly restrain (implemented DAYS earlier). I've heard nothing of evidence indicating a rough ride. It was a fluke accident. What may be more liable is the failure to get medical attention - that's where I think gross negligence could come into play
  • Glory Days
    gut;1731654 wrote:True. But my understanding is he was only picked up at the tail end. He maybe didn't have a rough ride, but that really says nothing about the 40 minutes prior for Freddie Gray.

    Honestly, I think the charge that may stick is failure to properly restrain (implemented DAYS earlier). I've heard nothing of evidence indicating a rough ride. It was a fluke accident. What may be more liable is the failure to get medical attention - that's where I think gross negligence could come into play
    I am curious as to what the officers originally reported in their statement. its not impossible, but I find it hard to believe they KNOW he stopped breathing or whatever during the trip back to the PD and didn't do anything.
  • gut
    Glory Days;1731704 wrote:I am curious as to what the officers originally reported in their statement. its not impossible, but I find it hard to believe they KNOW he stopped breathing or whatever during the trip back to the PD and didn't do anything.
    My understanding was they did not provide immediate medical attention when he asked even back at the station, which apparently isn't uncommon. The problem is how they would have known he had a serious neck injury. But that's something for a jury to decide

    I thought I heard they made a few unscheduled stops, which could indicate a rough ride or that they had injury concerns they ignored. But on its own that's purely circumstantial.

    Inconsistencies in their stories/reports would really damage their credibility. But I still don't see how any of them get convicted of criminal manslaughter beyond a reasonable doubt.
  • Glory Days
    http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/5/31/us-police-shootings-grossly-under-reported.html

    Someone can check my math because I suck at it.

    So 385 people have been killed by police in 2015.
    Only 49 were unarmed. (14%)
    Half of the victims were white, the other half minorities. Of the minority half, 2/3 were black or Hispanic. So if my math is correct, 127 or only 32% were black OR Hispanic.

    To me that is much less than the media would make you think.
  • QuakerOats
    Baltimore's next police chief faces demoralized dept...

    'It's so much worse than you think'...


    The mayor is a complete racist idiot.
  • sleeper
    QuakerOats;1740147 wrote:Baltimore's next police chief faces demoralized dept...

    'It's so much worse than you think'...


    The mayor is a complete racist idiot.
    Is she? She fired a black guy and hired a white guy.

    She's not a racist, she is an idiot though no doubt.
  • rmolin73
    [QUOTEQuakerOats;1740147]Baltimore's next police chief faces demoralized dept...

    'It's so much worse than you think'...


    The mayor is a complete racist idiot. [/QUOTE]

    Damn you're stupid.
  • rmolin73
    QuakerOats;1740147 wrote:Baltimore's next police chief faces demoralized dept...

    'It's so much worse than you think'...


    The mayor is a complete racist idiot.
    I'm with sleeper on this one. She's an idiot you should be familiar with that tag.
  • Token
    "
    Woman arrested after allegedly dumping water on Baltimore mayor at festival

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  • rmolin73
    You sure that's a woman?
  • Gardens35
    Mixed?
  • raiderbuck
    Mondawmin Malll...I'm not from Baltimore, but my wife is. She says that place is a dump.

    *edit...omitted "not." I'm not from Baltimore, but my wife is.
  • Zunardo
    Maybe it's that young woman whose photo is making the rounds on Facebook, the one pooping on the American flag? Goes by a strange nom de guerre, nocturne something.
  • Uz2Bon36
    raiderbuck;1740564 wrote:Mondawmin Malll...I'm from Baltimore, but my wife is. She says that place is a dump.
    [video=youtube;fiwLc2lL_RE][/video]

    Looks like a nice place.
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  • like_that
    I was in Baltimore this past Saturday. Still a shitty city.
  • sleeper
    like_that;1740583 wrote:I was in Baltimore this past Saturday. Still a shitty city.
    It's number 2 worst behind Detroit.
  • sleeper
    Freddie Gray's family awarded $6.4M in a settlement.

    Only in America can you be a thug piece of shit and earn $6.4M. $10 says they blow it within a year and are back on welfare.
  • ZWICK 4 PREZ
    sleeper;1749594 wrote:Freddie Gray's family awarded $6.4M in a settlement.

    Only in America can you be a thug piece of shit and earn $6.4M. $10 says they blow it within a year and are back on welfare.
    awarded 6.4M but im sure the cops still did nothing wrong, right?
  • QuakerOats
    $6.4 million ransom to keep the rent-a-rioters from showing up again.

    If only the libtards on here could spend a day in the shoes of an urban cop.
  • gut
    I don't really have issue with the award, although maybe I feel it's double what it should have been.

    They screwed up multiple times, resulting not only in his death but in pain & suffering. This has happened before, and such punitive awards are a major reason WHY cops are supposed to restrain you in the wagons.