At least St Louis isn't in Ohio

• BoatShoes

  bigdaddy2003;1648171 wrote:Lol, the last two posts made this thread. There are a few people on this site who I don't think I would enjoy hanging out with and the majority are politically related.

  
• gut

  BoatShoes;1648233 wrote: Any time a human being purposely, knowingly or intentionally kills another human being it is a murder.

  Unsurprisingly, you need to do more reading. Specifically you might want to look-up negligent homicide, justifiable homicide and manslaughter - all of which are charges distinct from murder. That's why everyone laughed at you when you said the officer murdered Michael Brown.
  

  BoatShoes;1648233 wrote: So yes, my mind is indeed made up on the issue you highlighted in red because I understand the definition of the word.

  
  
• BoatShoes

  gut;1648238 wrote:Unsurprisingly, you need to do more reading. Specifically you might want to look-up negligent homicide, justifiable homicide and manslaughter - all of which are charges distinct from murder. That's why everyone laughed at you when you said the officer murdered Michael Brown.

  LOL! Another word you don't understand...on multiple forums now? Truly amazing. Yes I do and you know that a manslaughter or a negligent homicide is the killing of a human being that was not done purposely, knowingly or intentionally? And you know that justifiable homicide is a murder that was justified because of mitigating circumstances???
  
  Go look it up for yourself!
  
  True or false.
  
  The Police Officer Purposely Aimed and Fired his weapon at Michael Brown and it caused his death.
  
  
  If the answer is true, the action falls within the definition of murder under the Missouri Statute.
  
  Better luck next time.
• gut

  BoatShoes;1648240 wrote:LOL! Another word you don't understand...on multiple forums now? Truly amazing. Yes I do and you know that a manslaughter or a negligent homicide is the killing of a human being that was not done purposely, knowingly or intentionally? And you know that justifiable homicide is a murder that was justified because of mitigating circumstances???

  Don't backpedal. You said the officer MURDERED Michael Brown. Murder is a specific legal term - you need to understand the WHOLE definition which is more than the one sentence you're quoting. As usual, you have no clue what you are talking about.
  
  I'm not even going to bother going into the fact that it's different for a police officer in the line of duty - you're already in over your head. Suffice to say, if it was conclusive he MURDERED Michael Brown he would already be in jail.
  
  
  I keep telling you to keep reading, and you keep not doing it and embarassing yourself.
• rmolin73

  

  Glory Days;1648229 wrote:Of course it isn't anything new. Neither is cops shooting unarmed people. So don't act like its something new, especially when it happened 2 other times in the same time frame the Ferguson shooting happened.

  Well it doesn't appear that I'm acting like it's something new now does it? If I am please show me the post. You won't be able to, so continue posting shit from 10 years ago that has no relevance.
• gut

  Hey Boat, I'll make a bet with you....you win the first time I'm wrong, and you win the first time you're right. You can't lose!
• Glory Days

  

  rmolin73;1648243 wrote:Well it doesn't appear that I'm acting like it's something new now does it? If I am please show me the post. You won't be able to, so continue posting shit from 10 years ago that has no relevance.

  you took my post with the video too seriously.
• Glory Days

  

  These videos were from Anderson Cooper's show tonight.
  
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• BoatShoes

  gut;1648242 wrote:Don't backpedal. You said the officer MURDERED Michael Brown. Murder is a specific legal term - you need to understand the WHOLE definition which is more than the one sentence you're quoting. As usual, you have no clue what you are talking about.
  
  I'm not even going to bother going into the fact that it's different for a police officer in the line of duty - you're already in over your head. Suffice to say, if it was conclusive he MURDERED Michael Brown he would already be in jail.
  
  
  I keep telling you to keep reading, and you keep not doing it and embarassing yourself.

  Gut you are the one that needs to settle down here big guy. You are the one thinkng that MURDER means more than you think it means. It's just a word for intentional or purposeful homicide.
  
  A Murder is just an intentional, purposeful or knowing homicide. It's that simple. Just because the Cop murdered michael Brown doesn't necessarily mean he should be in jail...because he's a cop....and because murders can be justified....i.e. justifiable homicide.
  
  Any intentional killing is a murder under the common law, under the model penal code and under the Missouri Statute. The only exception to this is a intentional murder committed under a passion sufficient to mitigate it to voluntary manslaugther. The A justifiable homicide is a murder that was justified...i.e. purposely killing someone when you reasonably believe your life is in danger. In this case, the facts could indicate that the cop's murder/intentional homicide of Michael Brown was justified.
  
  
  So let's try again.
  
  True or False
  
  The Police officer purposely fired his weapon at Michael Brown and it caused his death.
  
  If the answer is true, the action falls within the definition of murder under the Missouri Statute. It is the literal definition of what a murder is.
  
  The only reason he is not being charged with a crime is because he was a police officer acting as an agent of the state.
• BoatShoes

  gut;1648244 wrote:Hey Boat, I'll make a bet with you....you win the first time I'm wrong, and you win the first time you're right. You can't lose!

  True or False
  
  The Police Officer purposely fired his weapon at Michael Brown and that caused his death.
• gut

  BoatShoes;1648250 wrote:True or False
  
  The Police Officer purposely fired his weapon at Michael Brown and that caused his death.

  True or false, he's a police officer. Start there.
• gut

  BoatShoes;1648249 wrote: You are the one thinkng that MURDER means more than you think it means. It's just a word for intentional or purposeful homicide.

  Again, murder is a specific charge distinct from other homicides - that's not something I think, it's a fact. When you say the officer murdered Brown, you are making assumptions about specific criteria being met. Secondly, it's a little different for police officers in the line of duty with regard to intent and deliberation.
  
  If the officer is charged, it will most likely be negligent homicide or involuntary manslaughter (or possibly a trumped-up murder charge to rally the base, like with Travon Martin).
  
  LOL, "purposeful homicide"??? Keep walking it back and eventually you'll land on something resembling an accurate statement.
• BoatShoes

  gut;1648252 wrote:True or false, he's a police officer. Start there.

  True or False
  
  a Police Officer is a Person
  

  Second degree murder, penalty.565.021. 1. A person commits the crime of murder in the second degree if he:
  (1) Knowingly causes the death of another person or, with the purpose of causing serious physical injury to another person, causes the death of another person

  Crystal clear within the definition. But because he's a cop the Prosecutor isn't even going to bring an indictment as is the case with the overwhelming majority of cases wherein a cop commits a murder that would easily land an average joe to get indicted.
• BoatShoes

  gut;1648254 wrote:Again, murder is a specific charge distinct from other homicides - that's not something I think, it's a fact. When you say the officer murdered Brown, you are making assumptions about specific criteria being met. Secondly, it's a little different for police officers in the line of duty with regard to intent and deliberation.
  
  If the officer is charged, it will most likely be negligent homicide or involuntary manslaughter (or possibly a trumped-up murder charge to rally the base, like with Travon Martin).
  
  LOL, "purposeful homicide"??? Keep walking it back and eventually you'll land on something resembling an accurate statement.

  A murder is any homicide committed knowingly, intentionally or purposefully.
  
  If the cop is charged with anything he will be charged with Second Degree Murder under the Missouri Statute. He intentionally fired his gun at Brown. That automatically disqualifies him from negligent or reckless mens rea.
• BoatShoes

  gut;1648254 wrote:Again, murder is a specific charge distinct from other homicides - that's not something I think, it's a fact.

  A homicide is any killing of a human being. Murder one subset of homicide. It is just an old name for an intentional or purposeful homicide that comes from the common law days.
  
  
  For example, Murder under the Ohio Revised Code is a purposeful homicide/causing the death of another. Aggravated Murder is a homicide/causing the death of another committed with "prior calculation and design"...Ohio's version of willful and deliberate.
• Glory Days

  

  BoatShoes;1648257 wrote:A homicide is any killing of a human being. Murder one subset of homicide. It is just an old name for an intentional or purposeful homicide that comes from the common law days.
  
  
  For example, Murder under the Ohio Revised Code is a purposeful homicide/causing the death of another. Aggravated Murder is a homicide/causing the death of another committed with "prior calculation and design"...Ohio's version of willful and deliberate.

  Playing along with your stupid word game.....
  
  

  
  2903.02 Murder.
  
  (A) No person shall purposely cause the death of another or the unlawful termination of another's pregnancy.
  
  (B) No person shall cause the death of another as a proximate result of the offender's committing or attempting to commit an offense of violence that is a felony of the first or second degree and that is not a violation of section 2903.03 or 2903.04 of the Revised Code.
  
  (C) Division (B) of this section does not apply to an offense that becomes a felony of the first or second degree only if the offender previously has been convicted of that offense or another specified offense.
  
  (D) Whoever violates this section is guilty of murder, and shall be punished as provided in section 2929.02 of the Revised Code.

  The officer didn't purposely cause the death of Michael Brown. The officer was not trying to cause the death of Michael Brown when he shot him, he was trying to stop Michael Brown from causing seriously bodily harm or death to him(the officer). Although the officer's actions resulted in the death of Michael Brown, the actions were not for the purpose of killing Michael Brown.
• fish82

  

  BoatShoes bringing the exceptionally hard derp ITT. :laugh:
• bigdaddy2003

  

  Has isadore commented on this thread? I don't see him step outside the political forum much but I think the race card gang needs another person on their side.
• QuakerOats

  BoatShoes;1648250 wrote:True or False
  
  The Police Officer purposely fired his weapon at Michael Brown and that caused his death.

  
  True or False
  
  Had the criminal been at work instead of out committing robbery and assault, he would be alive today.
• Sonofanump

  bigdaddy2003;1648306 wrote:Has isadore commented on this thread? I don't see him step outside the political forum much but I think the idiotic contrarian troll gang needs another person on their side.

  FIFY
• gut

  BoatShoes;1648257 wrote:A homicide is any killing of a human being. Murder one subset of homicide.

  Keep walking it back. You're almost there.
• gut

  BoatShoes;1648255 wrote:Crystal clear within the definition. But because he's a cop the Prosecutor isn't even going to bring an indictment as is the case with the overwhelming majority of cases wherein a cop commits a murder that would easily land an average joe to get indicted.

  No, you need to keep reading.
  
  LMAO, there's a reason cops are almost never charged with murder. Again, you don't understand this issue at all. Seriously, are you ever right about anything?
• Con_Alma

  Prosecutors don't indict. Grand Jurys do.
• Tiernan

  LA Police killed an innocent white guy that worked for Tosh.0 this week...let's riot and loot Honky Brothers!
• HelloAgain

  Tiernan;1648479 wrote:LA Police killed an innocent white guy that worked for Tosh.0 this week

  That was in April, not this week.