At least St Louis isn't in Ohio

• KB0938

  Midstate01;1644778 wrote:Once you shoot,you shoot to kill..unload your clip.

  Think hes more talking about the rumored in the back part. If someones unarmed back to you, not exactly a threat. Especially if he was 30 feet away like is being said.
  
  But gotta wait for the report i guess
• Tiernan

  First burst kinda spun him around. In other words he kinda "turned out of it" on his initial attack. Keep firing until the big Thugger goes down.
• HelloAgain

  gut;1644760 wrote:That seems pretty decent and level-headed, to me. Jesse is saying it wasn't racially motivated but simply a question of excessive force. Not sure what about any of that would be disagreeable.

  Yeah, didn't find anything objectionable at all about his statement, was actually surprised at the level-headedness of it.
  

  bigdaddy2003;1644762 wrote:The bottom line is that Jackson and Sharpton don't show up unless there is room for their agenda

  Is there a single politician that statement wouldn't be applicable for?
• Glory Days

  

  Midstate01;1644764 wrote:At that man's size, if he got physical at all with the cop, he had reason to shoot. If you feel threatened you have the right to shoot. And they don't shoot to injure... Thats not what they're taught. If you shoot, you shoot to kill and you also will unload your clip. Exactly how they're taught.

  Midstate01;1644778 wrote:Once you shoot,you shoot to kill..unload your clip.

  No you don't, you shoot to stop the threat. When there is no longer a threat, ie he drops the gun or whatever, you stop.
• bigdaddy2003

  

  HelloAgain;1644827 wrote: Is there a single politician that statement wouldn't be applicable for?

  No, I just value Jackson and Sharpton less than politicians. They think they are like Martin Luther King when really he would probably despise both of them.
• Midstate01

  

  Glory Days;1644830 wrote:No you don't, you shoot to stop the threat. When there is no longer a threat, ie he drops the gun or whatever, you stop.

  Sure you can stop. But now how they're trained. Shoot to kill. You don't want to shoot,but if you do, you shoot to kill.
• Midstate01

  

  There's no such thing as training to shoot in the leg or arm. You aim for the largest region, the chest.
• Pick6

  

  My roommate has a degree an career in criminal justice, and he thinks the cop is at fault. With him explaining it and the way the story has been reported, I have to agree as well. If the guy at any point stopped, turned around and surrendered by putting his hands up, the cop did not have justification to shoot him in the face. I know I'll get the typical rebuttal from somebody "I doubt that is the whole story". Understandable. But it seems pretty fishy why the police department is ignoring this part completely when releasing statements. I also do not see many other ways it could have gone down.
  
  Still not an excuse for the whole city to act like the animals that they are.
• vball10set

  ^^^career in criminal justice...probation officer I presume?
• KB0938

  ccrunner609;1644879 wrote:the rest of this post is irrelevant. THe media is biased

  So are the cops giving the report. Unless theres video we'll probably never get a 100% correct version of how it went down, and it appears theres no video coming at all due to no dashcams and no security cams where this took place obviously
• shook_17

  

  Maybe the POS put his hands up after being shot? Im not buying all the media reports. I support the officer 100 percent, he is/was a POS. He robbed a store than fought and officer. The officer had every right to shoot that POS.
  
  You know whats funny, I saw an article on twitter stating the POS siblings have been giving full ride scholarships for college. What a joke.
  
  I mean seriously does anybody know what its like to be in a fight with somebody that has a 100 pounds on you and reaching for your gun? Its a dog eat dog world out there on the streets and when somebody is trying to kill me, Im not going to be the one to die its going to be you. 10 outta 10 times.
  
  Just look at that town, looting rioting and robbing stores over the POS being killed. I can't believe there isn't more of those thugs killed.
• KB0938

  shook_17;1644889 wrote:Maybe the POS put his hands up after being shot? Im not buying all the media reports. I support the officer 100 percent, he is/was a POS. He robbed a store than fought and officer. The officer had every right to shoot that POS.
  
  You know whats funny, I saw an article on twitter stating the POS siblings have been giving full ride scholarships for college. What a joke.
  
  I mean seriously does anybody know what its like to be in a fight with somebody that has a 100 pounds on you and reaching for your gun? Its a dog eat dog world out there on the streets and when somebody is trying to kill me, Im not going to be the one to die its going to be you. 10 outta 10 times.
  
  Just look at that town, looting rioting and robbing stores over the POS being killed. I can't believe there isn't more of those thugs killed.

  Did he actually fight the officer or are you going off those "BS media reports"?
• KB0938

  And according to the Ferguson police they had no idea he was a robbery suspect at the time, so even though he is clearly a POS. That had absolutely nothing to do with the shooting and didnt factor in
• shook_17

  

  KB0938;1644890 wrote:Did he actually fight the officer or are you going off those "BS media reports"?

  I have a very good source. Fellow officer down in that area.
  

  KB0938;1644891 wrote:And according to the Ferguson police they had no idea he was a robbery suspect at the time, so even though he is clearly a POS. That had absolutely nothing to do with the shooting and didnt factor in

  And from what I'm told the officer put two and two together half way through the stop. He radioed in to dispatch saying he had somebody matching the discription and items in the POS hand.
• KB0938

  shook_17;1644892 wrote:I have a very good source. Fellow officer down in that area.
  
  
  
  And from what I'm told the officer put two and two together half way through the stop. He radioed in to dispatch saying he had somebody matching the discription and items in the POS hand.

  Not sayin hes a bad source or a liar, but other officers have about as much of an idea what went on as the media did, nobody else was there. (Unless his backup got there before the shooting, or he had a partner). And just as most of the media will tend to be biased against the cops, cops most definitely will be biased on the side of other cops.
  
  And that does make sense with the finding out halfway through the stop.
• Pick6

  

  shook_17;1644889 wrote:Maybe the POS put his hands up after being shot? Im not buying all the media reports. I support the officer 100 percent, he is/was a POS. He robbed a store than fought and officer. The officer had every right to shoot that POS.
  
  You know whats funny, I saw an article on twitter stating the POS siblings have been giving full ride scholarships for college. What a joke.
  
  I mean seriously does anybody know what its like to be in a fight with somebody that has a 100 pounds on you and reaching for your gun? Its a dog eat dog world out there on the streets and when somebody is trying to kill me, Im not going to be the one to die its going to be you. 10 outta 10 times.
  
  Just look at that town, looting rioting and robbing stores over the POS being killed. I can't believe there isn't more of those thugs killed.

  He was shot in the face. I doubt he put his hands up after that. Look, I agree that the world is a better place without the POS. I couldn't care less that he is dead, but that doesn't change the fact that cops aren't above the law. If the cop killed the guy during the struggle? It's fine. But you can't kill somebody when during a foot chase they give themselves up. Sounds to me like the cop couldn't control his emotions in the situation.
• Pick6

  

  With all that said, I am not ok with the rioting and do support the law enforcement currently dealing with that trash. Just the original incident was wrong (until I hear the police's story of how is supposedly went down), but it not an excuse to act like a bunch of animals.
• Midstate01

  

  KB0938;1644891 wrote:And according to the Ferguson police they had no idea he was a robbery suspect at the time, so even though he is clearly a POS. That had absolutely nothing to do with the shooting and didnt factor in

  That's irrelevant because the kid knew he had robbed a place and when pulled up to in the middle of the street, it's safe to say he assumed the cop knew what he'd done. He was probably anxious and desperate.
  
  I'm not beliving anything these "eye witnesses" say because those sane pieces of shit wouldn't talk had this kid been shot in the street by another black kid.
• Pick6

  

  Midstate01;1644896 wrote:That's irrelevant because the kid knew he had robbed a place and when pulled up to in the middle of the street, it's safe to say he assumed the cop knew what he'd done. He was probably anxious and desperate.
  
  I'm not beliving anything these "eye witnesses" say because those sane pieces of shit wouldn't talk had this kid been shot in the street by another black kid.

  To me, the police not releasing any statement on how it went down is pretty telling. If you have nothing to hide, why stay mum?
• Midstate01

  

  Pick6;1644894 wrote:Sounds to me like the cop couldn't control his emotions in the situation.

  I think this is a very real problem. Mostly because there is absolutely no way to train for it. You can be schooled on these situations a million times. But until it happens, and you feel that addreneline, that fear, you can't really be prepared.
  
  I sat in on honolulu police situational awareness sessions. They run little exercises where you're deciding whether or not to draw your weapon. Then when to shoot. They're good exercises. But in your head you know you can't die or kill someone so there just isn't the same emotional awareness.
  
  There are also no doubt bad cops. In fact terrible cops. But there are thousands more per every bad one that do their job very well.
  
  I still just can't do these racial situations. IMO until black people start taking responsibility for their own actions in the street and really trying to make the situations better, things like this are going to happen again.
• KB0938

  Midstate01;1644896 wrote:That's irrelevant because the kid knew he had robbed a place and when pulled up to in the middle of the street, it's safe to say he assumed the cop knew what he'd done. He was probably anxious and desperate.
  
  I'm not beliving anything these "eye witnesses" say because those sane pieces of shit wouldn't talk had this kid been shot in the street by another black kid.

  Lol thats a good reason for not believing what eye witnesses had to say. Just because this kid happened to be a piece of shit, doesnt mean that anybody (if anybody actually saw) that saw it is also an unreliable piece of shit.
• Ytowngirlinfla

  

  Pick6;1644894 wrote:He was shot in the face. I doubt he put his hands up after that. Look, I agree that the world is a better place without the POS. I couldn't care less that he is dead, but that doesn't change the fact that cops aren't above the law. If the cop killed the guy during the struggle? It's fine. But you can't kill somebody when during a foot chase they give themselves up. Sounds to me like the cop couldn't control his emotions in the situation.

  I highly doubt this cop just decided to shoot a guy just because. Where has it been said where he was shot? I don't believe that information was released yet, just speculation. And the witnesses that they've been showing on tv, wouldn't hold credibility vs a cops statement. They all look like gangbangers and you think a black person would say yeah he attacked the white cop? Nope no way.
• KB0938

  I just really wanna know whats taking so long to make a report about an incident that took all of 30 seconds probably. A week ago
• Ytowngirlinfla

  

  KB0938;1644902 wrote:Lol thats a good reason for not believing what eye witnesses had to say. Just because this kid happened to be a piece of shit, doesnt mean that anybody (if anybody actually saw) that saw it is also an unreliable piece of shit.

  You obviously haven't been watching the news and the "eye witnesses" that saw this happen. They all are straight thugs.
• Pick6

  

  IMO, the guy is a good cop and lost control of emotions like we're talking about. I know I doubt I could control them in situations like this one, which is why I'm not a cop lol. Unfortunately, there is still right and wrong and from what I've heard so far, seems like the cop is in the wrong. I would probably believe the department's statement on what actually happened if it seems somewhat realistic, but we don't have any statement to interpret for whatever reason.....