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  • Glory Days
    gut;1588786 wrote:Every show built to the finale, and it didn't disappoint.

    Any doubt that MM wasn't going to win Best Actor was utterly, totally and thoroughly obliterated in that final scene (as if it wasn't already a done deal). I think people will look back at this season as one of THE finest writing & acting pieces in a generation.

    Probably not my favorite season/series for whatever reasons, but as true art with regard to television this show probably tops the list. Literally like watching an expertly written novel
    You serious? I think none of the other episodes had anything to do with the finale.

    I think it was very sloppy and they almost didn't know what the hell they were writing throughout the season and just had to end it. Green ears lead to a house that was randomly photographed for no investigative purpose solved the case?

    I guess maybe their point was to make us think there was something bigger when in the end there wasn't. they build up the whole kidnapping of the sheriff to end one episode and 4 minutes into the next episode, it meant nothing.
  • Glory Days
    On the other hand, is there going to be a second season? I was under the impression this was it, but read some places there will be a season 2.
  • se-alum
    Glory Days;1589190 wrote:On the other hand, is there going to be a second season? I was under the impression this was it, but read some places there will be a season 2.
    Yes, different actors, different storyline.
  • gut
    Glory Days;1589184 wrote:You serious? I think none of the other episodes had anything to do with the finale.

    I think it was very sloppy and they almost didn't know what the hell they were writing throughout the season and just had to end it. Green ears lead to a house that was randomly photographed for no investigative purpose solved the case?
    That was the only "gotcha" moment of the entire series, and it actually wasn't much of a stretch at all. I don't think that house was "randomly" photographed - it was part of a missing person investigation that they had been pulling records of after they decided those cases were being buried. The green ear thing might have been premature, but looking at a freshly painted house in a missing person case - yeah, the painters would be a lead to explore.

    Now maybe they didn't do enough to connect the killer, but again Cohl recognized the setting/scene from the videotape...and well then the rest pretty easily fell into place starting with the chase.

    Just an extremely well-done character piece, and they never pulled any tricks or stunts on the viewer that you see in almost every drama.
  • se-alum
    gut;1589193 wrote:That was the only "gotcha" moment of the entire series, and it actually wasn't much of a stretch at all. I don't think that house was "randomly" photographed - it was part of a missing person investigation that they had been pulling records of after they decided those cases were being buried. The green ear thing might have been premature, but looking at a freshly painted house in a missing person case - yeah, the painters would be a lead to explore.

    Now maybe they didn't do enough to connect the killer, but again Cohl recognized the setting/scene from the videotape...and well then the rest pretty easily fell into place starting with the chase.

    Just an extremely well-done character piece, and they never pulled any tricks or stunts on the viewer that you see in almost every drama.
    "Character piece" is a good way to describe it. The show was more about the lives and minds of Marty and Rust, than it was the actual case.
  • gut
    Tiernan;1588900 wrote:..should have had more tangible evidence linking the psycho to the other Sheriff and Governor.
    The sheriff that actually covered it up was dead. All the sheriff they interrogated on the boat knew was the other guy had buried the case.

    And as Woody said at the end, the "rest of them" aren't their problem.
  • gut
    se-alum;1589194 wrote:"Character piece" is a good way to describe it. The show was more about the lives and minds of Marty and Rust, than it was the actual case.
    Yes, and from that perspective the character story arcs were completed (in, literally, cathartic fashion) in a very well-done finale.

    You can even drill deeper to the relationship between Marty and Cohl, which was also done extremely well in the finale.
  • Glory Days
    gut;1589193 wrote:That was the only "gotcha" moment of the entire series, and it actually wasn't much of a stretch at all. I don't think that house was "randomly" photographed - it was part of a missing person investigation that they had been pulling records of after they decided those cases were being buried. The green ear thing might have been premature, but looking at a freshly painted house in a missing person case - yeah, the painters would be a lead to explore.

    Now maybe they didn't do enough to connect the killer, but again Cohl recognized the setting/scene from the videotape...and well then the rest pretty easily fell into place starting with the chase.

    Just an extremely well-done character piece, and they never pulled any tricks or stunts on the viewer that you see in almost every drama.
    maybe I missed it, but I thought that house was just in the neighborhood where the other investigation lead to. it was the actual house the girl disappeared from. and the setting wasn't really any different from any of the other backwoods settings in the series.
  • gut
    Glory Days;1589197 wrote:maybe I missed it, but I thought that house was just in the neighborhood where the other investigation lead to. it was the actual house the girl disappeared from. and the setting wasn't really any different from any of the other backwoods settings in the series.
    Well, you said it was a random photo. It wasn't (investigators don't take random, unrelated photos to put in a case file). They went to the house looking for new leads, just like any cold case (I assume). From that they got a name, which they then went back to research in the database of business licenses. And then Tuttle(?) came up, which they already suspected to be involved.

    Now they had enough concern or suspicion to arrange back-up if things went south, but they still didn't know he was their guy when they got there. It was only when Cohl recognized the scene "Marty....this is the place" that the final chain of events starts. YOU might think it didn't look any different, but Cohl recognized it and that's entirely believable (actually saw that looking at the tree, which is certainly unique enough to recognize from the video that was probably burned into his mind).

    In fact, I'm reasonably sure they showed us an identical camera angle/shot of that tree and field as in the video. At least that's what I thought, and I assumed the purpose was for us to make that connection. Otherwise Cohl saying "this is the place" is rather cryptic.

    Like I said, I didn't think there were any tricks or leaps involved in wrapping-up the case.
  • Glory Days
    gut;1589199 wrote:Well, you said it was a random photo. It wasn't (investigators don't take random, unrelated photos to put in a case file). They went to the house looking for new leads, just like any cold case (I assume). From that they got a name, which they then went back to research in the database of business licenses. And then Tuttle(?) came up, which they already suspected to be involved.

    Now they had enough concern or suspicion to arrange back-up if things went south, but they still didn't know he was their guy when they got there. It was only when Cohl recognized the scene "Marty....this is the place" that the final chain of events starts. YOU might think it didn't look any different, but Cohl recognized it and that's entirely believable (actually saw that looking at the tree, which is certainly unique enough to recognize from the video that was probably burned into his mind).

    In fact, I'm reasonably sure they showed us an identical camera angle/shot of that tree and field as in the video. At least that's what I thought, and I assumed the purpose was for us to make that connection. Otherwise Cohl saying "this is the place" is rather cryptic.

    Like I said, I didn't think there were any tricks or leaps involved in wrapping-up the case.
    Sorry there was a typo, I meant, I didn't think that the green house was where the girl disappeared from, it was just in the neighborhood. Which in my opinion, would make it a stretch if that was true.

    Cohl says a lot of things. so him saying "this is the place", didn't really phase me. and I get why they had their back up plan etc, that actually made sense. I almost figured since they couldn't get a to phone, they were we going to end up victims themselves and that would be the end of it.
  • gut
    Glory Days;1589201 wrote:I meant, I didn't think that the green house was where the girl disappeared from, it was just in the neighborhood. Which in my opinion, would make it a stretch if that was true.
    I don't know what to tell ya. It was a photo in a missing person case file that they were exploring for leads. Maybe it was the actual house, maybe not. It was relevant enough to be in the file, but obviously a freshly painted house in a neighborhood where a girl goes missing is worth checking out. I don't remotely see that as a stretch - and let's not forget, when dealing with a serial abductor you might assume the person has some sort of occupation that facilitates finding easy victims....like, I don't know, A PAINTER.

    The whole "green ears" thing I think was as more about showing another side of the characters (and a little comic relief in a very dark series). Cohl had the same reaction as you "fu-uck YOU, man". Sort of a "by the way, Marty is a pretty good detective, too".
  • SportsAndLady
    Glory Days;1589201 wrote:Sorry there was a typo, I meant, I didn't think that the green house was where the girl disappeared from, it was just in the neighborhood. Which in my opinion, would make it a stretch if that was true.

    Cohl says a lot of things. so him saying "this is the place", didn't really phase me. and I get why they had their back up plan etc, that actually made sense. I almost figured since they couldn't get a to phone, they were we going to end up victims themselves and that would be the end of it.
    Why would detectives/investigators take a picture of a random house in the neighborhood of a missing persons report and put it in a file?
  • Fab4Runner
    I enjoyed the finale. I like a good twist once in a while, but I also don't mind when things are straight forward. They answered a lot of questions and all of my faves lived, so I was happy.
  • Glory Days
    SportsAndLady;1589300 wrote:Why would detectives/investigators take a picture of a random house in the neighborhood of a missing persons report and put it in a file?
    They wouldn't, which is why I thought the ending was sloppy.
  • Glory Days
    gut;1589202 wrote:I don't know what to tell ya. It was a photo in a missing person case file that they were exploring for leads. Maybe it was the actual house, maybe not. It was relevant enough to be in the file, but obviously a freshly painted house in a neighborhood where a girl goes missing is worth checking out. I don't remotely see that as a stretch - and let's not forget, when dealing with a serial abductor you might assume the person has some sort of occupation that facilitates finding easy victims....like, I don't know, A PAINTER.

    The whole "green ears" thing I think was as more about showing another side of the characters (and a little comic relief in a very dark series). Cohl had the same reaction as you "fu-uck YOU, man". Sort of a "by the way, Marty is a pretty good detective, too".
    Actually if they thought the green ears were the ear muffs because the guy drove a tractor all day, I would have bought that. how do you even get green ears from painting?
  • SportsAndLady
    Glory Days;1589638 wrote:They wouldn't, which is why I thought the ending was sloppy.
    You're wrong. I don't know how else to tell you, you're wrong.

    They didn't just have a random picture of a house. The house was part of the investigation and they pieced that together.

    Not that hard to put that together.
  • Glory Days
    SportsAndLady;1589689 wrote:You're wrong. I don't know how else to tell you, you're wrong.

    They didn't just have a random picture of a house. The house was part of the investigation and they pieced that together.

    Not that hard to put that together.
    I just re watched the scene. Rusty says we need to look at the files like we are green. Marty, who is staring at the photos on the wall, gets a thought in his head and goes into a box and pulls out a photo from a box from 1995. that photo from 1995 shows a house with a fresh coat of green paint(and yes, it was a sorta random house since it was not the house the girl disappeared from). He then compares it to a photo on the wall of the same house, yet with a faded paint job. if they had taken photos during their initial investigation in 1995, why would they have new photos of the same exact thing on the wall? why wouldn't the 1995 photo be on the wall instead of some new photo of the house?

    The plot was clearly less important than the characters etc.
  • gut
    Glory Days;1590207 wrote:I just re watched the scene. Rusty says we need to look at the files like we are green. Marty, who is staring at the photos on the wall, gets a thought in his head and goes into a box and pulls out a photo from a box from 1995. that photo from 1995 shows a house with a fresh coat of green paint(and yes, it was a sorta random house since it was not the house the girl disappeared from). He then compares it to a photo on the wall of the same house, yet with a faded paint job. if they had taken photos during their initial investigation in 1995, why would they have new photos of the same exact thing on the wall? why wouldn't the 1995 photo be on the wall instead of some new photo of the house?
    I think you are still confused. It was already a cold case in '95 (or whenever she disappeared). The photo in the box is from the original case file, the photo on the wall would then be one taken some time later - whether by them or the original investigators, years likely pass so that's why the photos are different.

    That there would be "random" photos around the scene of the disappearance, taken years apart as the case is revisited, doesn't strike me as remotely odd or a stretch.
  • Glory Days
    gut;1590217 wrote:I think you are still confused. It was already a cold case in '95 (or whenever she disappeared). The photo in the box is from the original case file, the photo on the wall would then be one taken some time later - whether by them or the original investigators, years likely pass so that's why the photos are different.

    That there would be "random" photos around the scene of the disappearance, taken years apart as the case is revisited, doesn't strike me as remotely odd or a stretch.
    The photo in the box was from 95 because he said he was looking for the 95 canvas photos of the missing girl case. the old lady even said her house was repainted in 95. 1995 was when the original story took place correct? they were off the case shortly after that and 2002 or so was when Rusty left the job correct?

    either way, how does green paint get on your ears when you paint?! they showed the guy painting building earlier and he was clean as can be.
  • gut
    Glory Days;1590231 wrote:The photo in the box was from 95 because he said he was looking for the 95 canvas photos of the missing girl case. the old lady even said her house was repainted in 95. 1995 was when the original story took place correct? they were off the case shortly after that and 2002 or so was when Rusty left the job correct?

    either way, how does green paint get on your ears when you paint?! they showed the guy painting building earlier and he was clean as can be.
    It was a cold case. Additional photos could have been taken at any point as that case was revisited...it's not a "stretch". This show was not about connecting every last dot of the investigation. That house was a point of interest and then they had a reason - no matter how "ridiculous" - to explore further. Plot insufficiency =/= plot hole.

    And it's not a stretch that someone might get paint on their ears when doing a house. But that doesn't matter. It was a "eureka" moment that panned out, which I don't think is surprising or unrealistic for a cold case.

    I mean, you're making arguments that "they showed the guy painting, and no paint on his ears" is just desperate. Just because it's not spelled out explicitly doesn't mean it couldn't happen. Let it got, you're wrong.
  • Glory Days
    gut;1590692 wrote:It was a cold case. Additional photos could have been taken at any point as that case was revisited...it's not a "stretch". This show was not about connecting every last dot of the investigation. That house was a point of interest and then they had a reason - no matter how "ridiculous" - to explore further. Plot insufficiency =/= plot hole.

    And it's not a stretch that someone might get paint on their ears when doing a house. But that doesn't matter. It was a "eureka" moment that panned out, which I don't think is surprising or unrealistic for a cold case.

    I mean, you're making arguments that "they showed the guy painting, and no paint on his ears" is just desperate. Just because it's not spelled out explicitly doesn't mean it couldn't happen. Let it got, you're wrong.
    But the case wasn't revisited. them and everyone after them was told to forget about the kidnappings/murders etc. (remember, the whole point they thought there was a cover up).

    quit saying it "could have been this or that" making excuses for the show's plot. it was a very weak "eureka" moment and the directors didn't give a shit about the plot. that's it.
  • TedSheckler
    Brad Pitt to replace Matthew McConaughey?

    http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/tv-radio/brad-pitt-being-lined-up-to-replace-matthew-mcconaughey-in-true-detective-30102668.html
  • se-alum
    How about Pitt and DiCaprio.
  • Laley23
    I think Pitt would be awesome.

    Give me Pitt and Christian Bale or Ed Norton and I will be tuned in every week again.
  • Fab4Runner
    Laley23;1594158 wrote:I think Pitt would be awesome.

    Give me Pitt and Christian Bale or Ed Norton and I will be tuned in every week again.
    Omg, I would be dead.