Bill Bye vs Ken Ham

• Con_Alma

  sleeper;1577174 wrote:... Where is your evidence? You are living your entire life based on a possibility not a reality; time to grow up.

  I have no evidence for you. You definitely shouldn't believe without the evidence you need.
• sleeper

  

  Con_Alma;1577178 wrote:...so you wrong in stating that possibility doesn't exist without evidence.

  Possibility is only truth with evidence. Religion has no evidence therefore has no truth. There are a infinite amount of possibilities none of which matter because an infinite number lack the evidence to make them a reality.
• sleeper

  

  Con_Alma;1577180 wrote:I have no evidence for you. You definitely shouldn't believe without the evidence you need.

  I don't believe. I also don't live my life based on a belief system that has never and will never be proven. That is your choice to remain medicore and ignorant but please keep those beliefs to yourself and allow the sane rational people to live their lives unimpeded. Thanks.
• Con_Alma

  sleeper;1577179 wrote:.... Undiscovered truth is not truth until evidence supports the conclusion. ...

  This is incorrect.
  
  The world was just as round before there was evidence to support such understanding as it was after the discovery was made.
  
  Truth is not based on evidence. Evidence simply confirms truth.
• Con_Alma

  sleeper;1577182 wrote:I don't believe. I also don't live my life based on a belief system that has never and will never be proven....

  Nor should you if that's what you require. I haven't and nor will I ever suggest you should.
• gport_tennis

  sleeper;1577182 wrote:I don't believe. I also don't live my life based on a belief system that has never and will never be proven. That is your choice to remain medicore and ignorant but please keep those beliefs to yourself and allow the sane rational people to live their lives unimpeded. Thanks.

  Being religious =/= being mediocre & ignorant
  
  Their are plenty of sane rational people in this world that are religious. There are plenty of "mediocre & ignorant" people in this world that are not religious.
• Con_Alma

  sleeper;1577181 wrote:Possibility is only truth with evidence. ....

  This is incorrect.
  
  Truth is not based on evidence.
• sleeper

  

  Con_Alma;1577184 wrote:This is incorrect.
  
  The world was just as round before there was evidence to support such understanding as it was after the discovery was made.
  
  Truth is not based on evidence. Evidence simply confirms truth.

  Thank god for science then and its ability to sort belief from truth. How's faith working out for you? LOL
• sleeper

  

  Con_Alma;1577187 wrote:This is incorrect.
  
  Truth is not based on evidence.

  Truth is based on evidence of that truth. Otherwise, how would we know what is true and what isn't? Faith? Time to grow up dude.
• Con_Alma

  sleeper;1577188 wrote:Thank god for science then and its ability to sort belief from truth. How's faith working out for you? LOL

  
  Thank God indeed.
  
  Wonderfully well. Certainly much better than I deserve.
• Con_Alma

  sleeper;1577189 wrote:Truth is based on evidence of that truth. Otherwise, how would we know what is true and what isn't?.. .

  You may not know. Lack of knowledge doesn't make something untrue.
• sleeper

  

  Con_Alma;1577193 wrote:You may not know. Lack of knowledge doesn't make it something untrue.

  What are you actively doing to correct this 'lack of knowledge'?
• Con_Alma

  sleeper;1577194 wrote:What are you actively doing to correct this 'lack of knowledge'?

  I didn't proclaim I had a lack of knowledge. Why do you ask?
• Heretic

  

  Holy shit, this thread's full of fuck!
• sleeper

  

  Con_Alma;1577199 wrote:I didn't proclaim I had a lack of knowledge. Why do you ask?

  You clearly do have a lack of knowledge because you are unable to base your beliefs on anything but faith. Please help god acquire more users by discovering the truth and helping the sane rational people get closer to god.
• Con_Alma

  sleeper;1577206 wrote:You clearly do have a lack of knowledge because you are unable to base your beliefs on anything but faith. Please help god acquire more users by discovering the truth and helping the sane rational people get closer to god.

  
  God doesn't need help. Christians are commissioned to spread the news of the Gospel. That commission is for our benefit as opposed to His. The belief by others is not up to me.
  
  The thing that could be considered "help" I would offer is to steer to the Holy Word. It's up to you at that point.
• Devils Advocate

  

  Devils Advocate;1577081 wrote:

  gport_tennis;1577091 wrote:Not accurate.

  Judging from the body of this thread, I would say it's spot fucking on. So I'll leave you with this...
  
  
• sleeper

  

  Con_Alma;1577213 wrote:God doesn't need help. Christians are commissioned to spread the news of the Gospel. That commission is for our benefit as opposed to His. The belief by others is not up to me.
  
  The thing that could be considered "help" I would offer is to steer to the Holy Word. It's up to you at that point.

  Actually he clearly does need help. All his power and might and children are still getting raped and killed in Africa. Why does your god support and condone these activities?
• Heretic

  

  sleeper;1577239 wrote:Actually he clearly does need help. All his power and might and children are still getting raped and killed in Africa. Why does your god support and condone these activities?

  Well, obviously, those children are born in non-christian countries, so they don't count as real people. Just start a fire and throw them on; they don't matter.
• Devils Advocate

  

  He works in mysterious ways that you and I cannot understand or comprehend.
• Rotinaj

  

  Heretic;1577200 wrote:Holy shit, this thread's full of fuck!

  The Sleeper V Con_Alma religion debates are always good for some lulz.
• thavoice

  sleeper;1577239 wrote:Actually he clearly does need help. All his power and might and children are still getting raped and killed in Africa. Why does your god support and condone these activities?

  The correct answer to this, and questions like this who ask why bad shit happens, is that God has given man free-will to do what he wishes.
• sleeper

  

  thavoice;1577261 wrote:The correct answer to this, and questions like this who ask why bad shit happens, is that God has given man free-will to do what he wishes.

  So god is the guy who has the power to intervene but chooses not to because he made up a rule where man has free-will? Then what use is god and why do you worship him?
• thavoice

  Hey hey now. I am just giving you the standard answer religon gives when the subject such as that is brought up. My own personal thoughts on this response is that He gives people free will to do as they please, and those who follow His teachings and follow God's word will be rewarded with entrance into the kingdom of heaven forever, and the rest will perish in hell, or Cleveland.
  
  With that said, I also believe the old saying that you dont bring up politics and religon because neither side will either back down nor will they listen to the other side and the whole argument will just continue on and on.
  
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  sleeper;1577266 wrote:So god is the guy who has the power to intervene but chooses not to because he made up a rule where man has free-will? Then what use is god and why do you worship him?

• thavoice

  so in the immortal words from Forrest Gump....That is all I gots to say about that.