Concealed Carry

• TedSheckler

  

  Me?;1548188 wrote:I'm likely a better shooter than anyone here (maybe not), and it isn't because I have some special ability that other people don't, it's because I've spent far more time on the range than the vast majority of people.

  Me? = hickok45
• Me?

  

  Hickok is a badass.
• justincredible

  

  Me?;1548207 wrote:Hickok is a badass.

  Indeed.
• WebFire

  Me?;1548194 wrote:"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Belly35 again."

  Belly's plan has 8 hours of classroom though.
• Me?

  

  Is 8 less than 10? Have I argued for no classroom time? Does he also have as much range time as classroom time? I'd even consider his 5, as maintenance and operational instruction isn't really the classroom topics (laws, safety) that we were talking about.
• LJ

  

  TedSheckler;1548205 wrote:Me? = hickok45

  More like
• Me?

  

  More like..
  
  
  
  Aren't you even a mod here?
• TedSheckler

  

  [video=youtube;R9UUHt5f_RM][/video]
• LJ

  

  Me?;1548222 wrote:More like..
  
  
  
  Aren't you even a mod here?

  No.
  
  And you are obviously one of those Arfcom style idiots who has taken a concealed carry class and go to the range a few time per month and all of a sudden you are an expert shot. I typically stay away from posers like you. You even used the Arfcom nerd slang "operator".
• justincredible

  

  Me?;1548222 wrote: Aren't you even a mod here?

  He was.
• McFly1955

  

  Thanks all for the suggestions.
  
  I’m taking the class 12/14.
  
  The place I’m going comes highly recommended for a lot of people in my area (Toledo area) and the guy points out on his web site that he has a buttload of guns handle during the class to get an idea of what will work best for each person, and encourages people to hold off on buying something until after the class.
  
  So, I will be doing that….leaning towards pretty much the smallest 9mm I can find, or possibly a .380 still…I’ll update later after I decide. I’m sure I’ll be a gun owner in the next month or so, I’m pretty impatient.
• Me?

  

  LJ;1548226 wrote:No.
  
  And you are obviously one of those Arfcom style idiots who has taken a concealed carry class and go to the range a few time per month and all of a sudden you are an expert shot. I typically stay away from posers like you. You even used the Arfcom nerd slang "operator".

  LOL...what? I have no idea what Arfcom means, but because I used the word operator that means I'm a poser? If you believe that then if anyone has exposed themselves as a poser it's you. Operator is a proper term to refer to anyone in special forces.
  
  I'm not an expert shot, but I'm a damn good shot. I shoot A LOT, so what? Nothing happened "all of a sudden". I've put a lot of time in, spent a lot of money and learned from a lot of people who are experts. Please answer my question, since you seem to insinuate that you know more than me (though I never claimed I was an expert shot), and tell everyone that classroom time is more effective than range time.
• TedSheckler

  

  McFly1955;1548228 wrote:Thanks all for the suggestions.
  
  I’m taking the class 12/14.
  
  The place I’m going comes highly recommended for a lot of people in my area (Toledo area) and the guy points out on his web site that he has a buttload of guns handle during the class to get an idea of what will work best for each person, and encourages people to hold off on buying something until after the class.
  
  So, I will be doing that….leaning towards pretty much the smallest 9mm I can find, or possibly a .380 still…I’ll update later after I decide. I’m sure I’ll be a gun owner in the next month or so, I’m pretty impatient.

  More than likely, your class will have .22's or other small caliber guns. My advice is to still hold off and go to a gun range that will allow you to demo many weapons before you settle on a purchase. A place like Black Wing in Delaware is great. That's pretty far from Toledo and I'm sure there are ranges like this up there. Find one and spend lots of time demo'ing different calibers and guns. Then make a choice. Don't decide just from your range time in your class.
• Me?

  

  McFly1955;1548228 wrote:Thanks all for the suggestions.
  
  I’m taking the class 12/14.
  
  The place I’m going comes highly recommended for a lot of people in my area (Toledo area) and the guy points out on his web site that he has a buttload of guns handle during the class to get an idea of what will work best for each person, and encourages people to hold off on buying something until after the class.
  
  So, I will be doing that….leaning towards pretty much the smallest 9mm I can find, or possibly a .380 still…I’ll update later after I decide. I’m sure I’ll be a gun owner in the next month or so, I’m pretty impatient.

  It's all downhill from here! Best of luck.
• LJ

  

  Me?;1548235 wrote:LOL...what? I have no idea what Arfcom means, but because I used the word operator that means I'm a poser? If you believe that then if anyone has exposed themselves as a poser it's you. Operator is a proper term to refer to anyone in special forces.
  
  I'm not an expert shot, but I'm a damn good shot. I shoot A LOT, so what? Nothing happened "all of a sudden". I've put a lot of time in, spent a lot of money and learned from a lot of people who are experts. Please answer my question, since you seem to insinuate that you know more than me (though I never claimed I was an expert shot), and tell everyone that classroom time is more effective than range time.

  I already answered the question. The CHL class is not meant to be a shooting proficiency class, it's meant to go over the laws and your liabilities. Take some TDI classes or even contact the multiple instructors who offer advanced concealed carry classes which focus on defensive shooting techniques.
• Belly35

  

  WebFire;1548212 wrote:Belly's plan has 8 hours of classroom though.

  8 hours of learning and knowledge will increase your weapon proficiency, the more you know about yourself confidence of the laws, rules and safety less doubt, the more information about your weapon you know the more confident you are in using it and less doubting your ability and weapon.
  Hand placement, stands, arm extension and aiming are the physical link to proficiency but if you have to think about is the safety on or off, is there a round in the chamber, do I have the right to defend myself, am I right…. That hesitation and doubt is why the class room lesson is important …
  
  
  If I had 8 hours of classroom ... I could write a book... mofo
• Me?

  

  LJ;1548243 wrote:I already answered the question. The CHL class is not meant to be a shooting proficiency class, it's meant to go over the laws and your liabilities. Take some TDI classes or even contact the multiple instructors who offer advanced concealed carry classes which focus on defensive shooting techniques.

  Are most people going to do that? Or are most people going to take their bullshit 10 hour class and 2 hours of range time and then just go get their permit and start carrying?
• LJ

  

  Me?;1548247 wrote:Are most people going to do that? Or are most people going to take their bullshit 10 hour class and 2 hours of range time and then just go get their permit and start carrying?

  That's not up to us to decide if people need to go take more training. Like I said, the majority of people who complain about the the training class had shitty instructors. Ours went through laws, liabilities, defensive techniques in the classroom, basic shooting proficiency, shooting from retention, shooting while moving, and Q&A with Ken Hansen. This was all in a basic 12 hour CHL class. Maybe the instructors should be scrutinized more.
  
  BTW, I've taken TDI classes and my CHL class was essentially the TDI basic defense course condensed into a state required CHL class.
• justincredible

  

  TedSheckler;1548236 wrote:More than likely, your class will have .22's or other small caliber guns. My advice is to still hold off and go to a gun range that will allow you to demo many weapons before you settle on a purchase. A place like Black Wing in Delaware is great. That's pretty far from Toledo and I'm sure there are ranges like this up there. Find one and spend lots of time demo'ing different calibers and guns. Then make a choice. Don't decide just from your range time in your class.

  Our instructor said he will have the following caliber guns available. Doesn't seem like a bad selection but I have no idea what models he will have.
  
  9mm
  .38
  .357 Magnum
  .22
• TedSheckler

  

  I feel you should at least try out a .40 or a .45 also. You already have the XDs though, right? The 9mm?
• Me?

  

  I didn't complain about my instructor once. In fact, the exact opposite. He was fantastic. You're the one who was critical of my instructor because you have some nonsensical belief that isn't held by ANYONE ELSE that knows anything about firearms that classroom time is a more effective teaching tool than range time. You're insinuating that we didn't cover everything that is required in the classroom because we didn't spend as much time in there. Guess what? Everyone passed the written test and more importantly everyone came away from it a better shooter. I'd venture to say in many classes, with 2 hours on the range, everyone passes the written test and few if any actually come away a better shooter. The fact is, most people AREN'T putting in the extra work. MOST people aren't even going out to a range on their own very often, let alone taking another class--but they're licensed to carry anyways, and don't really know what they're doing. And you're ok with that, as long as they followed the law to a T...the same law that they're currently changing. That entire idea is based in the fact that bureaucrats are ahead of the curve in firearm training in the first place, which is obviously asinine.
• justincredible

  

  TedSheckler;1548264 wrote:I feel you should at least try out a .40 or a .45 also. You already have the XDs though, right? The 9mm?

  I've got the .45 XDs. I'm borrowing a Glock 17 for the class, which is nice because I am considering buying one but have never fired one before.
• Me?

  

  justincredible;1548266 wrote:I've got the .45 XDs. I'm borrowing a Glock 17 for the class, which is nice because I am considering buying one but have never fired one before.

  Before you buy a 17, check out the 19. Personally, I shoot the 19 better for whatever reason. I guess it just fits me better, and I have big hands too but it still has the full sized grip. But it's probably more versatile because it's small enough you could carry it depending on what you're wearing.
• LJ

  

  Me?;1548265 wrote:You're the one who was critical of my instructor because you have some nonsensical belief that isn't held by ANYONE ELSE that knows anything about firearms that classroom time is a more effective teaching tool than range time.

  
  That's not what I said.
  The class is not meant to be about gun proficiency. It's focused on the laws and liabilities of the carrier.

  You're insinuating that we didn't cover everything that is required in the classroom

  
  
  No I'm not. The requirement is shit.
  

  Everyone passed the written test

  Most could pass the test without taking a class. It's a joke.
• queencitybuckeye

  Do the couple of people on this thread that seem anxious to shoot someone scare you more than the "bad guys"?