sleeper vs the boomers

• thavoice

  sleeper;1541140 wrote:I think the only way to do it is to win one of the big two parties nominations. Gary Johnson won't get anywhere in the Republican party; leaving Rand Paul as the only one that has a chance.
  
  What we really need is for all these boomers to die off so we can get this country back on track.

  Politically that train has left the station. I dont know who, or how, the system can be fixed but I dont see it happening in our lifetime.
• Con_Alma

  sleeper;1541140 wrote:I think the only way to do it is to win one of the big two parties nominations. Gary Johnson won't get anywhere in the Republican party; leaving Rand Paul as the only one that has a chance.
  
  What we really need is for all these boomers to die off so we can get this country back on track.

  Rand Paul doesn't sign his father's message. They have different views.
  
  Rand supports military tribunals.
  He doesn't wholesale reject our country's foreign policy like his father.
  He opposes abortion and supports a Human Life Ammendment
  Paul has proposed adding security to the border by installing an electronic fence and helicopter stations to respond to breaches.
  He opposes birthright citizenship for children of illegal immigrants.
  Paul has said that courts should review the 14th Amendment... If court challenges fail, Paul would support a constitutional amendment that would deny citizenship to children of illegal immigrants who are born in the United States.
  
  He supports eliminating issuance of visas to people from “about ten rogue nations.”
  
  He supported the war in Afghanistan and opposed rapid withdrawal from Iraq."
  
  
  
  That's not really trumpeting is father's message.
• Tiernan

  Other than opposing abortion he doesnt sound as nutty as the loins he sprung from.
• sleeper

  

  Con_Alma;1541151 wrote:Rand Paul doesn't sign his father's message. They have different views.
  
  Rand supports military tribunals.
  He doesn't wholesale reject our country's foreign policy like his father.
  He opposes abortion and supports a Human Life Ammendment
  Paul has proposed adding security to the border by installing an electronic fence and helicopter stations to respond to breaches.
  He opposes birthright citizenship for children of illegal immigrants.
  Paul has said that courts should review the 14th Amendment... If court challenges fail, Paul would support a constitutional amendment that would deny citizenship to children of illegal immigrants who are born in the United States.
  
  He supports eliminating issuance of visas to people from “about ten rogue nations.”
  
  He supported the war in Afghanistan and opposed rapid withdrawal from Iraq."
  
  
  
  That's not really trumpeting is father's message.

  Then we will have to have one of our own spawn a leader as great as Ron Paul. I have confidence that will happen.
• sleeper

  

  thavoice;1541143 wrote:Politically that train has left the station. I dont know who, or how, the system can be fixed but I dont see it happening in our lifetime.

  It can be fixed however you need Boomer's to grow up and accept that they spent money they didn't have and now its time to pay the piper.
  
  Good luck convincing the worst generation of that.
• Con_Alma

  sleeper;1541165 wrote:Then we will have to have one of our own spawn a leader as great as Ron Paul. I have confidence that will happen.

  I'm glad you are confident. The next three years will see if you are correct.
• HitsRus

  

  The eventual takeover of the Republican party will be because of the younger generations and it can't happen soon enough.

  * In the Iowa poll, Paul gets more than 50 percent support from the two youngest age groups — 18-29 year olds and 30-44 year olds — but gets less than 12 percent of 45-64 year olds and those 65 and older. In the Post poll, he gets 20 percent among 18-49 year olds, but just 8 percent among those 50 and older. That’s a remarkable age gap

  ....you picked a small sample from one state....not a very good choice. (but that doesn't surprise me)
  
  in a link provided earlier in the thread, of Libertarians, only 19% are 'millenials' compared to 27% boomers, and 32% (Gen X and Y)....moreover that % is DECREASING.
  
  For more evidence of your delusion, read:
  http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/progressive-movement/report/2009/05/13/6021/the-political-ideology-of-the-millennial-generation/
  young people are lapping up the progressive's agenda...not flocking to Ron Paul's views, so I wouldn't count on them to save the country from fiscal insanity.
• sleeper

  

  Con_Alma;1541192 wrote:I'm glad you are confident. The next three years will see if you are correct.

  I do not expect a viable candidate in the next 3 years. I will likely vote for the Libertarian Party candidate.
• sleeper

  

  HitsRus;1541201 wrote:....you picked a small sample from one state....not a very good choice. (but that doesn't surprise me)
  
  in a link provided earlier in the thread, of Libertarians, only 19% are 'millenials' compared to 27% boomers, and 32% (Gen X and Y)....moreover that % is DECREASING.
  
  For more evidence of your delusion, read:
  http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/progressive-movement/report/2009/05/13/6021/the-political-ideology-of-the-millennial-generation/
  young people are lapping up the progressive's agenda...not flocking to Ron Paul's views, so I wouldn't count on them to save the country from fiscal insanity.

  Luckily for you(and I), young people won't have much of a choice. The only way to solve the problem is to slash benefits and raise contributions. My confidence is rooted in reality while yours is entirely trying to pretend the boomers weren't the main driver of the problems facing this country.
• Con_Alma

  ????
  
  So you are not confident one of your own will spawn a leader to as great as Ron Paul?
  
  I'm sorry I misunderstood your post.
• sleeper

  

  Con_Alma;1541208 wrote:????
  
  So you are not confident one of your own will spawn a leader to as great as Ron Paul?
  
  I'm sorry I misunderstood your post.

  Most of my generation is not old enough to be President or a Congressman. Please be patient Con_Alma; my confidence in my generation will never fade.
• Con_Alma

  Im always patient....but it doesn't relate a need for a political savior to be born.
• sleeper

  

  Con_Alma;1541215 wrote:Im always patient....but it doesn't relate a need for a political savior to be born.

  He/She is probably already born albeit in diapers. Poor thing doesn't even know he's already racked up $17 trillion in debt and $100's of trillions in unfunded liabilities for not voting for Romney.
  
  /Boomer'd
• HitsRus

  

  ^^^$11T of that with the complicit help of the millennials....and almost $6T as a direct result of their voting habits in the past 5 years. Good Job!
  
  /millennial'd
  
  as for the unfunded liabilities.....a little context is in order....but for sure, it is getting larger as the millennials vote 2-1 for the people who want to keep adding entitlements!
  http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2013/10/23/does-the-united-states-have-128-trillion-in-unfunded-liabilities/?tid=pm_politics_pop
• pmoney25

  

  HitsRus;1541384 wrote:^^^$11T of that with the complicit help of the millennials....and almost $6T as a direct result of their voting habits in the past 5 years. Good Job!
  
  /millennial'd
  
  as for the unfunded liabilities.....a little context is in order....but for sure, it is getting larger as the millennials vote 2-1 for the people who want to keep adding entitlements!
  http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2013/10/23/does-the-united-states-have-128-trillion-in-unfunded-liabilities/?tid=pm_politics_pop

  Yea because Keynesian economics, housing bubble, globetrotting police war machine and big government departments were all created in the last 5 years. The establishment/neocon/social conservative boomer republicans are just as much to blame as Obama or the democrats.
  
  There will be a Gen Y/ millennial libertarian takeover in the republican party in the next 10 years as more from this group get involved in politics. People who believe in small government for the economy and for their personal lives.
• Glory Days

  

  sleeper;1540297 wrote: And people say "Well go get a job!" yet many of them DO have jobs that barely pay anything and when you are sitting on $50k+ of student loan debt a part time job at WalMart isn't going to cut it.

  who's fault is that? maybe they shouldn't have went and got some bullshit degree in a job that isn't hiring? sounds like another generation sleeper who expected to go through the motions of getting a degree and expected to get handed a job out of college.
• Con_Alma

  sleeper;1541219 wrote:He/She is probably already born albeit in diapers. Poor thing doesn't even know he's already racked up $17 trillion in debt and $100's of trillions in unfunded liabilities for not voting for Romney.
  
  /Boomer'd

  Certainly could be born already. There are even plenty of Gen Xers eligible to be President right now.
• dlazz

  Glory Days;1541432 wrote:who's fault is that? maybe they shouldn't have went and got some bullshit degree in a job that isn't hiring?

  This is a generic cop out excuse. There are plenty of people out there with non "bullshit" degree jobs unable to find work.
  
  Most of the positions out there have ludicrous requirements, even at entry-level positions...which disqualifies a lot of those people with degrees that are "in demand".
• HitsRus

  

  There will be a Gen Y/ millennial libertarian takeover in the republican party in the next 10 years as more from this group get involved in politics. People who believe in small government for the economy and for their personal lives.

  I and many boomers would welcome that 1/3 of your generation that believes in that.
• Con_Alma

  pmoney25;1541390 wrote:...
  
  There will be a Gen Y/ millennial libertarian takeover in the republican party in the next 10 years as more from this group get involved in politics. People who believe in small government for the economy and for their personal lives.

  I disagree. I don't see libertarians taking over the Republican Party. The social conservatives and Tea Party are battling for control of said party. The Libertarians are nowhere in sight. They have a better chance of emerging as a true 3rd party before taking over the GOP.
• sleeper

  

  Glory Days;1541432 wrote:who's fault is that? maybe they shouldn't have went and got some bullshit degree in a job that isn't hiring? sounds like another generation sleeper who expected to go through the motions of getting a degree and expected to get handed a job out of college.

  lol. Delusional. Yeah everyone just goes to college just for the knowledge and the sex; not a job. Grow up.
• sleeper

  

  HitsRus;1541384 wrote:^^^$11T of that with the complicit help of the millennials....and almost $6T as a direct result of their voting habits in the past 5 years. Good Job!
  
  /millennial'd
  
  as for the unfunded liabilities.....a little context is in order....but for sure, it is getting larger as the millennials vote 2-1 for the people who want to keep adding entitlements!
  http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2013/10/23/does-the-united-states-have-128-trillion-in-unfunded-liabilities/?tid=pm_politics_pop

  Romney would have slashed the budget? LOL Delusional. The reality is there were only 2 candidates that had any hints about trimming entitlements and the debt; Ron Paul and Gary Johnson both of which had large swaths of young people backing them. Sorry my generation voted for a guy who doesn't pander to an ignorant religious base.
  
  I don't what we're debating anymore. History is going to pin the collapse of this nation on the Boomers, not the unborn population. The only thing to debate is how many cans of corn a week are you going to be able to afford on your SS check? LOL
• Con_Alma

  I didn't think our federal government operated on a budget anymore. When's the last time we had one?
  
  Paul and Johnson wouldn't have had the opportunity to slash any budget that wasn't submitted to them. How effective would such a President be in governing with his 3rd party ideology when the House is still mad up of Dems And Repubs?
  
  It's going to take more than a Libertarian President to make significant changes.
• pmoney25

  

  Con_Alma;1541476 wrote:I disagree. I don't see libertarians taking over the Republican Party. The social conservatives and Tea Party are battling for control of said party. The Libertarians are no where in sight. They have a better chance of emerging as a true 3rd party before taking over the GOP.

  The social conservatives have no chance. If they do take over they might as well never expect to win an election again.
  
  Ron Paul has been called the godfather of the tea party until it was consumed by the GOP and the social conservatives.
  
  This current group of Tea Party will occasionally pay lip service to libertarian ideas. Dislike for the NSA, the fed, big government, corporatism ,and drone strikes/foreign intervention. The closer they go to that and the further they get from gays, abortion, corporatism and being the world police the better shot they will have.
• Con_Alma

  I didn't say the social conservative had a chance but rather that they are battling with the Tea Partiers for power.
  
  The tea partiers only espouse but one view of Mr. Paul It's his remaining views that kept him from being more popular in the party. They are significant enough for such ideas to require a 3rd party to get a Presidential nomination.