Idaho Teacher Fired Over Facebook Photo

• Raw Dawgin' it

  

  gut;1531984 wrote:Yes, she was stupid for exactly 1 day and it ultimately cost her her job.

  How is it stupid? You can find any reason to be offended by someones picture. Is there any picture of you on facebook at a bar or holding a drink of any sort? You must be an alcoholic and deserve to be fired.
• said_aouita

  

  Even more scary is that 609 is still employed as a teacher.
• queencitybuckeye

  Raw Dawgin' it;1531985 wrote:Because my personal life shouldn't have an bearing on my job.

  Overstated IMO. As an employer, how you conduct your personal business affects my business, or can in many circumstances.
  
  In this case, in a better world, you wouldn't have to worry about there being someone this easily offended, but in the actual world we live in ...
• queencitybuckeye

  said_aouita;1531993 wrote:Even more scary is that 609 is still employed as a teacher.

  Teacher lite.
• #1DBag

  

  It looks like the tactics of some jealous fat/ugly broad.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  "She should at the very least have her page private and not be friends with any parents/students. "
  
  Yeah, the issue is one of judgment. The guidance counselor at my alma mater HS posted a photo of her daughter (cheerleader) along with her cheerleader friends in bikinis at a hotel pool at cheerleader camp. The other parents weren't happy about it and she deleted it....it was pretty innocuous but if it was my daughter involved I'd probably want it off. She wasn't fired though....jeez.
  
• Raw Dawgin' it

  

  queencitybuckeye;1531998 wrote:Overstated IMO. As an employer, how you conduct your personal business affects my business, or can in many circumstances.
  
  In this case, in a better world, you wouldn't have to worry about there being someone this easily offended, but in the actual world we live in ...

  So what I do on my vacation or weekend can affect you business? Pretty sure it's none of my employers business what I do in my free time as long as I do my job well, which she was.
  
  If you as an employer don't know what I do in my free time and then are sent a picture of me having fun on vacation and I'm completely hammered, you think that affects how i do my job?
  
  I don't understand how anyone can see this as a fireable offense. It has no bearing on her work what so ever.
• gut

  Raw Dawgin' it;1531991 wrote:How is it stupid? You can find any reason to be offended by someones picture. Is there any picture of you on facebook at a bar or holding a drink of any sort? You must be an alcoholic and deserve to be fired.

  I'm not an idiot. I don't post pictures that might be deemed questionable. It's really not that hard to figure out what could be deemed offensive or might present a risk. Then again the average person is stupid.
  
  Obviously this girl either realized her stupidity or someone pointed it out to her. But once it goes on the internet the damage is done.
• Fly4Fun

  

  GoChiefs;1531952 wrote: It appears to be a public school.

  I know, hence my shocked state of being.
  

  gut;1531970 wrote:Another example in a long line of people posting stupid/irresponsible shit on Facebook.
  
  Yeah, getting fired is bullshit but at the same time she's a dumbass for putting it up there. It's a little different when you're a teacher vs. a Walmart stockboy.

  Raw Dawgin' it;1531971 wrote:She can't put a vacation picture of her and her fiance up on her personal facebook page? You're an idiot.

  queencitybuckeye;1531977 wrote:Yet she's the one without a job.
  
  I agree that firing her over this picture due to an anonymous busybody is way too harsh, but teachers need to realize they live in the bizarro world of zero tolerance policies and all kids of other PC garbage. If I were in that line of work, I don't know that I'd be on Facebook, or at the very least, be extremely cautious with my friending and security options.

  Raw Dawgin' it;1531980 wrote:It was up for 1 day 4 months ago. It's not like his dick is between her tits.

  Manhattan Buckeye;1531986 wrote:"Because she posted it and he didn't is my guess."
  
  That would also be my guess. On the one hand the firing seems over the top, on the other is it THAT difficult not to post stuff like this on FB? Even without the "boob grab" people have to consider what they are wearing (or not wearing) for public photos.
  
  And I agree that if I was a teacher I'm not sure I would even be on FB and certainly wouldn't be friends with students.

  Manhattan Buckeye;1532003 wrote:"She should at the very least have her page private and not be friends with any parents/students. "
  
  Yeah, the issue is one of judgment. The guidance counselor at my alma mater HS posted a photo of her daughter (cheerleader) along with her cheerleader friends in bikinis at a hotel pool at cheerleader camp. The other parents weren't happy about it and she deleted it....it was pretty innocuous but if it was my daughter involved I'd probably want it off. She wasn't fired though....jeez.
  

  No reason this should have resulted in her being fired. I didn't read the full article but if it was up for 1 day before she took it down, then this should have just been a slap on the wrist warning about public image from the administration.
  
  But this just goes to the larger picture of the world we live in today with the internet and constant exposure people put out there. A person has to be constantly mindful that someone such as an employer could see an image of you posted on-line. It's sad but true.
• gut

  Manhattan Buckeye;1531986 wrote:
  That would also be my guess. On the one hand the firing seems over the top, on the other is it THAT difficult not to post stuff like this on FB? Even without the "boob grab" people have to consider what they are wearing (or not wearing) for public photos.

  This apparently demonstrates far too much common sense and foresight beyond the grasp of most people.
  
  You have to consider the scope of your chosen professional field - what may be fine or acceptable for a burger flipper to post isn't always going to be the case for a teacher.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  I don't about that, I'm FB friends with just over 300 people (I know that isn't a lot, college students seem to have thousands) and I don't recall anyone ever posting a photo like that. I've seen the random drunk and passed out photos but usually when people sober up they later delete them. Again the "worst" photo I've seen was the girls at the pool but that wasn't bad, it was just inappropriate for someone to post a photo of someone else's daughter in a bikini.
• cat_lover

  She shouldn't have been fired but you should be careful of what you post on facebook.
• WebFire

  Manhattan Buckeye;1532003 wrote:"She should at the very least have her page private and not be friends with any parents/students. "
  
  Yeah, the issue is one of judgment. The guidance counselor at my alma mater HS posted a photo of her daughter (cheerleader) along with her cheerleader friends in bikinis at a hotel pool at cheerleader camp. The other parents weren't happy about it and she deleted it....it was pretty innocuous but if it was my daughter involved I'd probably want it off. She wasn't fired though....jeez.
  

  If you are not happy of a picture of it, then why are you letting you daughter wear a bikini? Did she insist that anyone who actually saw it with her eyes have some kind of magical surgery to remove it from memory? C'mon, this is ridiculous.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  It is difficult to explain unless you saw it, it was inappropriate for a guidance counselor to post pictures of 15-17 year old girls in bikinis without getting permission from their parents.
  
  It pretty much jumped out of the FB feed.
  
  Better yet, don't post any photos of anyone else's kid without getting permission. I know the woman very well and she really didn't mean anything harmful, but when people told her that she probably shouldn't have that photo made public, and it was public, she did the right thing and deleted it.
  
  95% of the photos on my feed are 1) kids, 2) pets, 3) vacations and 4) food, and with respect to 3 it is very rare that I see a photo of people on the beach and aren't covered up.
• gut

  WebFire;1532062 wrote:If you are not happy of a picture of it, then why are you letting you daughter wear a bikini? Did she insist that anyone who actually saw it with her eyes have some kind of magical surgery to remove it from memory? C'mon, this is ridiculous.

  There's a long list of reasons why people keep personal and work separate. You don't go to a work function and drink like you do with friends. It's a professional setting - many things we do socially/private are not appropriate for the workplace. And people inherently know this, HOWEVER when they post to a public FB page they seem to forget that some of the inappropriate things are no longer private.
  
  Is it fair? No. Is it too PC? Yes. But people need to exercise good judgement, which I realize a lot of younger adults lack but that's the reality of the world we live in.
• Mulva

  

  WebFire;1532062 wrote:If you are not happy of a picture of it, then why are you letting you daughter wear a bikini? Did she insist that anyone who actually saw it with her eyes have some kind of magical surgery to remove it from memory? C'mon, this is ridiculous.

  But OMG the children!
• WebFire

  gut;1532073 wrote:There's a long list of reasons why people keep personal and work separate. You don't go to a work function and drink like you do with friends. It's a professional setting - many things we do socially/private are not appropriate for the workplace. And people inherently know this, HOWEVER when they post to a public FB page they seem to forget that some of the inappropriate things are no longer private.
  
  Is it fair? No. Is it too PC? Yes. But people need to exercise good judgement, which I realize a lot of younger adults lack but that's the reality of the world we live in.

  The picture was taken in public, no?
• gut

  WebFire;1532077 wrote:The picture was taken in public, no?

  Would it be appropriate to place a photo of oneself in a bikini on their desk at work? Would you tell an offensive joke at work?
  
  Professional workplaces usually place a premium on modesty and political correctness, and fair or not our pubic digital lives can infringe on that. I don't know if people are playing devil's advocate here or they really lack common sense and sound judgement.
• Raw Dawgin' it

  

  Honestly - anyone offended by the picture should be killed. The fact that people find this inappropriate are severely sheltered. Their high school kids have seen and done a lot worse than what's going on in the picture.
• WebFire

  gut;1532087 wrote:Would it be appropriate to place a photo of oneself in a bikini on their desk at work? Would you tell an offensive joke at work?
  
  Professional workplaces usually place a premium on modesty and political correctness, and fair or not our pubic digital lives can infringe on that. I don't know if people are playing devil's advocate here or they really lack common sense and sound judgement.

  No one did either of those things? A picture taken in a public place was posted on a private website. How is that the same as putting a bikini picture on your desk?
• WebFire

  WebFire;1532091 wrote:No one did either of those things? A picture taken in a public place was posted on a private website. How is that the same as putting a bikini picture on your desk?

  And for the record, I personally know teachers who have bikini pictures on their FB page. They are not fired because...well...why would they be?
• Manhattan Buckeye

  ^^^
  
  Can I be friends with them?
• gut

  Raw Dawgin' it;1532089 wrote:The fact that people find this inappropriate are severely sheltered.

  That doesn't change the reality that such people exist. You can choose to fight a losing battle, or simply avoid it with a little common sense.
  
  I find it difficult to even be sympathetic for this girl - do people still not know to exercise extreme caution with what they put on FB and other places? Who are we talking about being sheltered now?
• queencitybuckeye

  Raw Dawgin' it;1532021 wrote:So what I do on my vacation or weekend can affect you business? Pretty sure it's none of my employers business what I do in my free time as long as I do my job well, which she was.

  Unless you're covered by an actual employment contract which speaks to the subject, you are an at-will employee. You can be fired for wearing green socks, for not wearing green socks, or for posting a picture on Facebook your employer doesn't like.
  

  If you as an employer don't know what I do in my free time and then are sent a picture of me having fun on vacation and I'm completely hammered, you think that affects how i do my job?

  No, but I can fire you anyway.
  
  Take a different scenario. Let's say my largest customer is headed by someone who has a hard line religious stance against drinking. You are the manager of the account. You post a Facebook picture of yourself clearly drunk off your ass, and the client sees it. When I get the phone call, am I supposed to say "Sorry, but it's none of my business what RDI does on his own time, so stick the millions you pay us"? Not going to happen. You work when you work, but you are an employee of my company (hated term alert) 24x7.
  

  I don't understand how anyone can see this as a fireable offense. It has no bearing on her work what so ever.

  See above. Unless she is represented by a union, or has an enforceable contract that covers "moral" issues, they don't need a reason.
• sleeper

  

  Unless you're covered by an actual employment contract which speaks to the subject, you are an at-will employee. You can be fired for wearing green socks, for not wearing green socks, or for posting a picture on Facebook your employer doesn't like.

  Honestly wouldn't surprise me to see a bill proposed in congress outlawing sock color discrimination in the work place.