Christian Soup Kitchen turns away atheist volunteers (Sleeper rant material)

• Fly4Fun

  

  ZWICK 4 PREZ;1525500 wrote:Yeah... which means multiple denominations. I was trying to read in the article where it said the Catholics had a problem with the athiest's but the Baptists and Methodists didn't.

  We all know it was really the Lutherans.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  'they seemed to reach out to see if they could help. Of course the Church has the right to exclude whoever they want but anyone also has the right to criticize and call out their hypocrisy'
  
  --sorry, another edit.
  
  Then the atheist group can go after other religious groups and not the proverbial low-hanging fruit (I hate that term). There are many religious groups that engage in charitable actions and act insular, yet for some reason this "group" chose this one, and does not appear to be involved in others....that attracts my spidey-sense so to speak.
  
  We have to live with different cultures and beliefs. I will admit I got a bit upset the first time my wife and I met a business person from a different culture and he wouldn't shake my wife's hand or touch her. I got over it in 10 minutes. I wasn't butthurt enough (or to heretic's definition a bitch) to complain on the internet. By no means does that mean I accepted the behavior - I tolerated it.
• Fly4Fun

  

  Fly4Fun;1525503 wrote:We all know it was really the Lutherans.

  This was a comment in jest and is not really relevant to the discussion so I'm not sure why you were referencing it.
  

  Manhattan Buckeye;1525505 wrote:^^
  
  Then the atheist group can go after other religious groups and not the proverbial low-hanging fruit (I hate that term). There are many religious groups that engage in charitable actions and act insular, yet for some reason this "group" chose this one, and does not appear to be involved in others....that attracts my spidey-sense so to speak.
  
  We have to live with different cultures and beliefs. I will admit I got a bit upset the first time my wife and I met a business person from a different culture and he wouldn't shake my wife's hand or touch her. I got over it in 10 minutes. I wasn't butthurt enough (or to heretic's definition a bitch) to complain on the internet. By no means does that mean I accepted the behavior - I tolerated it.

  But to your point, this group does get involved with other charities. They aren't trying to make a political point or stick it in someone's face. They are literally out there just trying to get involved and do good work through cooperation with others.
  

  Upstate Atheists is actively involved with other local charities and volunteer events and, according to their social media director

  Among the recent posts on the group's Facebook page are links promoting a coat and jacket drive for the homeless and a November 16 "feed the hungry" event at another local soup kitchen, which is run by Daily Bread Ministries.

• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  Fly4Fun;1525503 wrote:We all know it was really the Lutherans.

  Being in Spartanburg, chances are you're Baptist. Not a ton of Catholics there.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  "But to your point, this group does get involved with other charities. They aren't trying to make a political point or stick it in someone's face."
  
  The name of the group is a political or religious point. If they want to be neutral call themselves the Neutral upstate charity - and have a beige flag.
  
  The question goes back to them - why do they want to use the term Atheist to describe them when there are perfectly other ways to name the group and thier mission?
  
  
  
• Heretic

  

  Manhattan Buckeye;1525513 wrote:"But to your point, this group does get involved with other charities. They aren't trying to make a political point or stick it in someone's face."
  
  The name of the group is a political or religious point. If they want to be neutral call themselves the Neutral upstate charity - and have a beige flag.
  
  The question goes back to them - why do they want to use the term Atheist to describe them when there are perfectly other ways to name the group and thier mission?

  Because they are a group of Atheists and, therefore, selected a name that represents the purpose of their group?
  
  Much like a church group tends to name themselves in a way that indicates they're a part of their church.
• Fly4Fun

  

  Manhattan Buckeye;1525513 wrote:"But to your point, this group does get involved with other charities. They aren't trying to make a political point or stick it in someone's face."
  
  The name of the group is a political or religious point. If they want to be neutral call themselves the Neutral upstate charity - and have a beige flag.
  
  The question goes back to them - why do they want to use the term Atheist to describe them when there are perfectly other ways to name the group and thier mission?
  
  
  

  I'm guessing they have for the same reason all groups have a name, that is to identify itself to attract people, and in this case more specifically indicate it as an organization and community for those who don't believe in a diety to do charitable works or feel included
  
  I don't understand how someone could be against an atheistic group identifying itself as atheistic in order to attract people who otherwise might not be involved with charitable work through organized religions to do charitable work.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  Heretic;1525520 wrote:Because they are a group of Atheists and, therefore, selected a name that represents the purpose of their group?
  
  Much like a church group tends to name themselves in a way that indicates they're a part of their church.

  Well congrats heretic! that is the smartest thing you've said in 6 months. But that group shouldn't expect everyone, particularly a religious group, to accept them. Because their purpose is to be atheists, not with the group.
• Heretic

  

  Manhattan Buckeye;1525532 wrote:Well congrats heretic! that is the smartest thing you've said in 6 months. But that group shouldn't expect everyone, particularly a religious group, to accept them. Because their purpose is to be atheists, not with the group.

  Well, at least that means I've exceeded anything you've said in this thread.
• Fly4Fun

  

  Manhattan Buckeye;1525532 wrote:Well congrats heretic! that is the smartest thing you've said in 6 months. But that group shouldn't expect everyone, particularly a religious group, to accept them. Because their purpose is to be atheists, not with the group.

  There purpose is to be atheists? No, that's just who they are. They don't need a group to be who they are necessarily although a sense of community never hurts. The groups slogan is "Charity Beyond Belief." It sounds like the groups purpose is to get anyone involved in charitable work regardless of their religious affiliation or lack there of.
• like_that

  

  The atheists were trolling and based on this thread it worked.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  Heretic;1525533 wrote:Well, at least that means I've exceeded anything you've said in this thread.

  You mean being correct and honest?
  
  More negative reps, and lose your mod status.
  
  No personal offense meant, I just spent 2 hours listening to a CLE class (fly4fun will know what that means) from a guy that was clearly intoxicated (my guess...painkillers).
  
  On the other hand, if defending, you know if the laws and the Constitution are archaic, you too can be a CLE provider!
• I Wear Pants

  Manhattan Buckeye;1525354 wrote:Their group. Their rules. People can call them idiots, and people calling the people calling them idiots, idiots...have just as strong of an argument. I'm not Catholic, I don't intend on going to a Catholic charity and bitch that they don't want me around.
  
  The atheist group antagonized the thing...just because you attack assholes doesn't mean you're not an asshole yourself.

  I grew up Catholic, my family is still Catholic. There were a bunch of people who worked our events and helped out that weren't Catholic. If you are sincere in your desire to help out people then it won't matter if people are a member of your church. It's pretty clear cut, if the act of helping people is more important than evangelizing or whatever other secondary benefits come from running something like a soup kitchen then you'll accept any and all volunteers (as long as they are actually helping and not being disruptive or whatever).
• Heretic

  

  Manhattan Buckeye;1525543 wrote:You mean being correct and honest?
  
  More negative reps, and lose your mod status.
  
  No personal offense meant, I just spent 2 hours listening to a CLE class (fly4fun will know what that means) from a guy that was clearly intoxicated (my guess...painkillers).
  
  On the other hand, if defending, you know if the laws and the Constitution are archaic, you too can be a CLE provider!

  Nothing I've said anywhere here has anything to do with the Constitution. It's all about the hilarious hypocrisy of a group that, according to their scriptures, is supposed to be all-inclusive and look to save others, is not only excluding another charitable organization, but making "they's the devil!" comments about them.
  
  Fully within their right to do so, but are coming off as inept with the way they're portraying themselves. If the Atheist group had a genuine desire to help, they look like douches who care more about excluding alternate beliefs than helping with charitable acts. If they're trolling, they succeeded and got a religious group to portray themselves as idiots.
• I Wear Pants

  Why is the Constitution even being brought up? Was anyone saying they didn't have a right to do or say what they did? Pretty sure everyone was criticizing them for being stupid assholes who didn't really care about helping people as much as they cared about not associating with people who don't share their beliefs not that they didn't have a right to be stupid assholes.
• fish82

  

  Religion threads are awesome.
• Devils Advocate

  

  Fly4Fun;1525503 wrote:We all know it was really the Lutherans.

  Definately not Catholics. They learn from a very young age not to offer the other cheek...
• hasbeen

  

  I hate myself for reading all of this.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  "It's pretty clear cut, if the act of helping people is more important than evangelizing or whatever other secondary benefits come from running something like a soup kitchen then you'll accept any and all volunteers (as long as they are actually helping and not being disruptive or whatever)."
  
  But they don't. And I explained in plain details above...if you aren't part of the organization, you aren't part of the organization. That only happens 100% time and in reality. You can't just hop in and join a cause.
  
• queencitybuckeye

  Manhattan Buckeye;1525574 wrote:"It's pretty clear cut, if the act of helping people is more important than evangelizing or whatever other secondary benefits come from running something like a soup kitchen then you'll accept any and all volunteers (as long as they are actually helping and not being disruptive or whatever)."
  
  But they don't.
  

  If they follow the bible, they do.
• Jawbreaker

  queencitybuckeye;1525582 wrote:If they follow the bible, they do.

  Are you saying, according to the Bible, feeding people is more important than preaching the gospel? This thread is hard to follow when people don't use the "Reply With Quote" feature.
• I Wear Pants

  Manhattan Buckeye;1525574 wrote:"It's pretty clear cut, if the act of helping people is more important than evangelizing or whatever other secondary benefits come from running something like a soup kitchen then you'll accept any and all volunteers (as long as they are actually helping and not being disruptive or whatever)."
  
  But they don't. And I explained in plain details above...if you aren't part of the organization, you aren't part of the organization. That only happens 100% time and in reality. You can't just hop in and join a cause.
  

  Yes, yes you can. There's plenty of organizations that allow and truly appreciate/rely upon this sort of volunteering. If the soup kitchen didn't have any use for additional helpers or something that'd be one thing. But they seem to have turned them away merely for their lack of sharing the same religion. You seem to not understand that while they have every right to not disallow whoever they want from helping that it strips them of any credibility if they claim their most important goal is helping people since their actions are counter to that.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  queencitybuckeye;1525582 wrote:If they follow the bible, they do.

  No you don't. To my knowledge the Bible has nothing to say about who you are allowed to let into your church, and being pretty much a true atheist but someone that has respect to religious organizations, they have their rules. This thread began with the idea that someone could just enter into another's private organization and expect acceptance.
  
  Yet somehow I'm the bad guy.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  I Wear Pants;1525597 wrote:Yes, yes you can. There's plenty of organizations that allow and truly appreciate/rely upon this sort of volunteering. If the soup kitchen didn't have any use for additional helpers or something that'd be one thing. But they seem to have turned them away merely for their lack of sharing the same religion. You seem to not understand that while they have every right to not disallow whoever they want from helping that it strips them of any credibility if they claim their most important goal is helping people since their actions are counter to that.

  English?
• I Wear Pants

  Manhattan Buckeye;1525604 wrote:English?

  Oh no, I had a run on sentence, that invalidates whatever I said!!!!
  

  No you don't. To my knowledge the Bible has nothing to say about who you are allowed to let into your church, and being pretty much a true atheist but someone that has respect to religious organizations, they have their rules. This thread began with the idea that someone could just enter into another's private organization and expect acceptance.
  
  
  Yet somehow I'm the bad guy.

  You're either retarded or trolling. No one said that people have a right to enter other people's organizations or whatever bullshit you have in your head. And even with your assumption, what church has a rule that no one but members of their church are allowed helping in their charitable endeavors? Most aren't that stupid.
  
  Do you disagree with the notion that if a church was truly concerned with helping the poor they would accept volunteers despite them not being members? (Not that you'll actually answer this since you'll find some pedantic grammatical error or assume I'm asking about their legal or Biblical rights instead)