What is something that people still believe in today that shocks you

• I Wear Pants

  Pick6;1486270 wrote:didnt realize iwp is gay

  It's not really relevant to anything but talking about things like gay marriage so I don't see the need to bring it up. It's not who I am, it's just a description of the type of people I like to be in a relationship with and find attractive.
• dlazz

  Pick6;1486270 wrote:didnt realize iwp is gay

  your mom is gay
  
  
  
  

  sportchampps;1486238 wrote:Unions

  that's a really good one
• OSH

  

  I Wear Pants;1486268 wrote:I should have said "conservatives" instead of "you". Mea Culpa.
  
  And again, all those things you listed are far more complicated and involved than marriage. That's sort of the whole concept of low hanging fruit and why you go after it early. You can take care of it easily and quickly and then look towards getting the remaining and larger portion of the tree (if we're talking about economics then of course you're correct that gay marriage will not have as large of an economic effect as some of the things you mentioned.)
  
  You're turning it into a false dichotomy of "we can do gay marriage or we can do these things...". You could do both or any combination of them. You haven't actually presented any arguments against gay marriage. You're just saying "well this bigger fish is over here". Which may be true, but we have this smaller fish already in a cooler, we might as well pick it up.

  Is the topic of the thread "arguments against gay marriage" or is it "What is something that people still believe in today that shocks you?" To me, it is more shocking there is more emphasis on gay marriage than the other issues that I presented (and many others I didn't).
  
  While all can be done at the same time, I think if we have a battle to fight in terms of politics, I would want something to be fought over something that will help everyone -- not just 1%. That's not discriminatory, that's not bigotry, that's just desiring the best for EVERYONE. At our current state, I am more concerned with turning things around in this country than what a select people group wants (maybe that's homosexual marriage, maybe that's the anti-gun lobby, maybe that's PEDs in athletics, or whatever else).
  

  queencitybuckeye;1486269 wrote:One could make an argument that equal rights issues should have priority over economic ones.

  Oh, I totally agree that could happen.
• ernest_t_bass

  

  I Wear Pants;1486275 wrote:It's not really relevant to anything but talking about things like gay marriage so I don't see the need to bring it up. It's not who I am, it's just a description of the type of people I like to be in a relationship with and find attractive.

  
  Wait. You're gay?
• jmog

  Manhattan Buckeye;1485249 wrote:The 40's or the 60's?
  
  I think there is enough misinformation from the latter that is just as incredibly stupefying as the former, yet has still resulted in many studies and careers for people.
  
  The one off-hand is wage disparity between genders.

  When comparing men and women as an average it technically exists. When making an apples to apples comparison, like female engineers to male engineers, female teachers to male teachers, etc. The disparity is like 2% or statistically even.
• WebFire

  OSH;1486099 wrote:I'm shocked at all the talk over homosexual marriage. This affects less than 1% of the nation's population.
  
  We are all caught up in this and there are MANY more things that are important that can actually make a difference in the economy, the majority of peoples' lives, healthcare, education, military, etc. Politicians need to do something that will turn the country around a bit.

  I agree with this 100%. Nothing pissed me off more than Presidential debates about gay marriage.
• Raw Dawgin' it

  

  ernest_t_bass;1486317 wrote:Wait. You're gay?

  You thinking about cheating on snot?
• gut

  queencitybuckeye;1486269 wrote:One could make an argument that equal rights issues should have priority over economic ones.

  I'm sure it would have been a much more enjoyable experience had everyone on the Titanic gotten along.
• Heretic

  

  gut;1486413 wrote:I'm sure it would have been a much more enjoyable experience had everyone on the Titanic gotten along.

  Well, if you're going to either drown or die of hypothermia (whatever happens first), it might as well be with good friends instead of a bunch of jerks you hate.
• gut

  Heretic;1486426 wrote:Well, if you're going to either drown or die of hypothermia (whatever happens first), it might as well be with good friends instead of a bunch of jerks you hate.

  I find comfort in knowing they're all going to hell
• ernest_t_bass

  

  Raw Dawgin' it;1486352 wrote:You thinking about cheating on snot?

  
  Yes. I didn't realize iwp was gayy.
• O-Trap

  

  BoatShoes;1486174 wrote:If you're doing a sincere philosophical investigation into the issue, sure, it's as good as any place to start as far as I can tell. But how many people who would say "There must be an uncaused cause" are really trying to ground their beliefs? O-Trap and maybe yourself is about it lol.
  
  Most people are like "Obvi there must be a first cause...Clearly the religion that I grew up around is true, Jesus is Lord and He is all knowing, all powerful and omnibenevolent!"

  
  It's true. There aren't nearly enough people asking these questions. To be frank, I think this is one of the reasons for the satire often displayed about religious groups (Christianity being the primary butt of the jokes in the States). Moreover, I think it's the reason we don't see more intelligent discussion about theism (from any side, really) in the realm of academia. At one point in history, Christians at large seemed to value being students of themselves and their world, given the origin of many well-esteemed universities.
  
  However, I think that's the problem that arises when the vast majority within a region or nation believe something to be true for a time. People stop asking questions and challenging it. Those who espouse the belief become lethargic in the philosophical framework that led them there.
  
  I also think that this lethargy can be what leads such people to make asinine statements about other areas of study in which people are more studious ... science being the most common contemporary example (UFOs, birth control, evolution, etc.). You get people that believe not only that X is true, but that X is true in every way they assume it to be true. So when something else comes into play to challenge that, instead of engaging their own view in light of the new ideas, they dismiss said new ideas.
  
  Sometimes, I feel very Professor Farnsworth about the whole thing.
  
  
  

  cruiser_96;1486263 wrote:Nah. I doubt there are that many!
  
  Actually, a good number of folks I encounter ask or are asking. One guys start was when he asked himself, "Why something rather than nothing?" And from there he proceeded.
  
  In the end, I guess, I believe we are here (on this earth) to do more than post on OhioChatter. (Sorry, Justin. Negs...on Wednesday.)
  
  But again, whatevs.

  It does seem like there are more people asking the questions. Quite honestly, the rise of the assumed epistemological authority of scientism has been good for the logical health of Christianity, and likely for all religions.
• friendfromlowry

  Not necessarily a belief, but I can't believe people choose to smoke. There's hardly anything worse you can choose to do to your body. I realize it's incredibly difficult to quit, but the alternative is the overwhelming likelihood of lung cancer.
• Tiernan

  Damn! I was hoping you were a two-pack-a-day man.
• I Wear Pants

  I got a chuckle out of the "Do you support traditional marriage" ad on this page.
• Heretic

  

  I don't know that I'm shocked by it (because when it comes to politards, nothing is really shocking), but I do find the use of phrase "swallow/drink the kool-aid" pretty funny when some people use it to describe people on the opposite side of a debate. Particularly when it's obvious that they're the biggest "kool-aid" drinkers on their side, if you go by what they're meaning when they use that phrase.