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What is something that people still believe in today that shocks you

  • bases_loaded
    OSH;1486109 wrote:Regardless of their "high guess," homosexuality isn't nearly as "popular" as what many have proclaimed. And, it is shocking to me that homosexuality issues are at of more importance than some of the key issues that I mentioned (along with the etc.) that affect the majority of people in the United States -- heck, they impact at least 1% which is more than the homosexual population.

    To me, it's shocking that there isn't more done about things that can actually make a difference in the whole country rather than <1% of the population. Just something that shocks me.

    They aren't a popular issue, the media pushes shit like this and trayvon Martin to distract us from bigger issues like the economy and our continual loss of freedoms. Hell, the fact that we just airlifted a fucking dog to Martha's Vineyard while we're dicking over veterans should be on the front page of every newspaper in the country but good luck finding it.
  • SportsAndLady
    OSH;1486109 wrote:Regardless of their "high guess," homosexuality isn't nearly as "popular" as what many have proclaimed. And, it is shocking to me that homosexuality issues are at of more importance than some of the key issues that I mentioned (along with the etc.) that affect the majority of people in the United States -- heck, they impact at least 1% which is more than the homosexual population.

    To me, it's shocking that there isn't more done about things that can actually make a difference in the whole country rather than <1% of the population. Just something that shocks me.
    Even if your stat is correct (1%), who cares if people still want the injustice taken care of? We're only supposed to talk about issues that the effect the majority of Americans? A human being in America can't marry who he/she wants, yet we're supposed to just drop it because we should be talking about the economy?
  • bases_loaded
    My point was, our society gets too concerned about things that concern the 1% that they ignore the things effecting the 99.9%. Remember that African warlord that the public bater got everyone fired up about?
  • bases_loaded
    Minimum wage
  • SportsAndLady
    bases_loaded;1486158 wrote:My point was, our society gets too concerned about things that concern the 1% that they ignore the things effecting the 99.9%. Remember that African warlord that the public bater got everyone fired up about?
    I agree with what you're saying...it's bullshit the media brings up shit like Trayvon Martin and ignore other, more important issues in this country.

    But on this thread, I don't feel like we have to talk about what effects more than the 1% lol
  • BoatShoes
    cruiser_96;1486121 wrote:Where would you rather we start? The teleological? Ontological?

    Either way you must start somewhere, right?

    But I do agree with your statement. After all, knowing God exists based on these arguments is all about general revelation. That does not help us know much about that God. As you mention, those who "use cosmological arguments for the existence of God and then act like that establishes and justifies all of the rest of their religious beliefs" must reconcile what kind of God exists. That would depend on from whose vantage point you are looking. After all, a good day for the bird is a bad day for the worm.
    If you're doing a sincere philosophical investigation into the issue, sure, it's as good as any place to start as far as I can tell. But how many people who would say "There must be an uncaused cause" are really trying to ground their beliefs? O-Trap and maybe yourself is about it lol.

    Most people are like "Obvi there must be a first cause...Clearly the religion that I grew up around is true, Jesus is Lord and He is all knowing, all powerful and omnibenevolent!"
  • I Wear Pants
    bases_loaded;1486158 wrote:My point was, our society gets too concerned about things that concern the 1% that they ignore the things effecting the 99.9%. Remember that African warlord that the public bater got everyone fired up about?
    Tyranny of the majority.
  • OSH
    SportsAndLady;1486155 wrote:Even if your stat is correct (1%), who cares if people still want the injustice taken care of? We're only supposed to talk about issues that the effect the majority of Americans? A human being in America can't marry who he/she wants, yet we're supposed to just drop it because we should be talking about the economy?
    I was responding to the question in the thread. To me, there are WAY more important things than what affects 1% of the population. I am shocked that there is more of an importance on 1% than something that will affect EVERYONE.
    bases_loaded;1486149 wrote:They aren't a popular issue, the media pushes **** like this and trayvon Martin to distract us from bigger issues like the economy and our continual loss of freedoms.
    No doubt. I do believe this to be a major player in the situation I have mentioned.
  • I Wear Pants
    OSH;1486195 wrote:I was responding to the question in the thread. To me, there are WAY more important things than what affects 1% of the population. I am shocked that there is more of an importance on 1% than something that will affect EVERYONE.



    No doubt. I do believe this to be a major player in the situation I have mentioned.
    Yeah, fuck minorities, they don't matter. Equal protection is only meant for the majority of citizens, not all of them...

    And for people who apparently think there are so many more important things to talk about you sure do spend a whole lot of time arguing why I shouldn't be able to get married.
  • SportsAndLady
    OSH;1486195 wrote:I was responding to the question in the thread. To me, there are WAY more important things than what affects 1% of the population. I am shocked that there is more of an importance on 1% than something that will affect EVERYONE.

    .
    Ah, gotcha
  • OSH
    I Wear Pants;1486198 wrote:Yeah, **** minorities, they don't matter. Equal protection is only meant for the majority of citizens, not all of them...
    Never said that, but I also don't expect you to add anything positive to a conversation either. Might as well infer and imply, it helps with conversing.

    I am all for helping minorities succeed. Hence, why there should be a focal point on education, higher education, healthcare, fiscal issues, etc. That helps minorities and majorities.
  • I Wear Pants
    OSH;1486221 wrote:Never said that, but I also don't expect you to add anything positive to a conversation either. Might as well infer and imply, it helps with conversing.

    I am all for helping minorities succeed. Hence, why there should be a focal point on education, higher education, healthcare, fiscal issues, etc. That helps minorities and majorities.
    If you want to go the economics route we can:
    http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/category/research/economic-impact-reports/
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    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/03/your-money/03money.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&
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  • sportchampps
    Unions
  • OSH
    Should I go your route and say...those have no validity...everyone knows the ACLU sucks.
  • I Wear Pants
    OSH;1486239 wrote:Should I go your route and say...those have no validity...everyone knows the ACLU sucks.
    That wasn't who filed the amicus brief, just where the link came from. Unlike your FRI study. The amicus brief was filed by just about every important corporation there is and explained why same-sex couples not receiving the same benefits as heterosexual couples hurt their businesses.
  • OSH
    I Wear Pants;1486241 wrote:That wasn't who filed the amicus brief, just where the link came from. Unlike your FRI study. The amicus brief was filed by just about every important corporation there is and explained why same-sex couples not receiving the same benefits as heterosexual couples hurt their businesses.
    I'm sure same-sex couples not receiving benefits hurt businesses more than the Cuban trade embargo, Obamacare, minimum wage, higher education costs, etc. etc. etc.
  • I Wear Pants
    OSH;1486253 wrote:I'm sure same-sex couples not receiving benefits hurt businesses more than the Cuban trade embargo, Obamacare, minimum wage, higher education costs, etc. etc. etc.
    It's low hanging fruit though.

    Minimum wage, healthcare reform, and higher education funding are all things that are debated as to what action would benefit the economy the most. (Those are all ones where both sides could whip out plenty of valid research for so lets just skip that).

    And again, for someone who seems to think we're wasting time with gay marriage because it doesn't matter you sure object to it a lot. It should happen and it is going to happen anyways so why waste time and money fighting it?
  • OSH
    I Wear Pants;1486257 wrote:It's low hanging fruit though.

    Minimum wage, healthcare reform, and higher education funding are all things that are debated as to what action would benefit the economy the most. (Those are all ones where both sides could whip out plenty of valid research for so lets just skip that).

    And again, for someone who seems to think we're wasting time with gay marriage because it doesn't matter you sure object to it a lot. It should happen and it is going to happen anyways so why waste time and money fighting it?
    I didn't know I was wasting any time or money fighting it, yet another assumption (I see a trend here).

    All I said, I am shocked that there is more emphasis into homosexual marriage than anything that will actually help the country. I can give many things that should have been done, and done rather easily, to make an impact right away.

    I understand, you want to get married. But, I also understand that doing away with pennies and nickels save the country more money. I also understand that potentially changing our currency will save the country more money (i.e., polymer bills). I also understand the Cuban trade embargo does nothing but hinder economies (and tourism). A few things I mentioned have more of an economic impact than the marrying of 1% of the population. As much as I think military funding is important, I'm sure we could also reevaluate that budget to alleviate some of our financial problems. Many things can happen to help out this country.

    I am objecting to it "a lot" in this conversation because you want to discuss it. I have simply stated all along that I do think there are more important things that people (and especially politicians) should be concerned with.
  • cruiser_96
    BoatShoes;1486174 wrote:If you're doing a sincere philosophical investigation into the issue, sure, it's as good as any place to start as far as I can tell. But how many people who would say "There must be an uncaused cause" are really trying to ground their beliefs? O-Trap and maybe yourself is about it lol. ...
    Nah. I doubt there are that many! ;) :D

    Actually, a good number of folks I encounter ask or are asking. One guys start was when he asked himself, "Why something rather than nothing?" And from there he proceeded.

    In the end, I guess, I believe we are here (on this earth) to do more than post on OhioChatter. (Sorry, Justin. Negs...on Wednesday.)

    But again, whatevs.
  • Heretic
    cruiser_96;1486263 wrote:In the end, I guess, I believe we are here (on this earth) to do more than post on OhioChatter. (Sorry, Justin. Negs...on Wednesday.)
    SPEAK FOR YOURSELF!!!
  • cruiser_96
    Heretic;1486264 wrote:SPEAK FOR YOURSELF!!!
    Mad love, yo!
  • I Wear Pants
    OSH;1486261 wrote:I didn't know I was wasting any time or money fighting it, yet another assumption (I see a trend here).

    All I said, I am shocked that there is more emphasis into homosexual marriage than anything that will actually help the country. I can give many things that should have been done, and done rather easily, to make an impact right away.

    I understand, you want to get married. But, I also understand that doing away with pennies and nickels save the country more money. I also understand that potentially changing our currency will save the country more money (i.e., polymer bills). I also understand the Cuban trade embargo does nothing but hinder economies (and tourism). A few things I mentioned have more of an economic impact than the marrying of 1% of the population. As much as I think military funding is important, I'm sure we could also reevaluate that budget to alleviate some of our financial problems. Many things can happen to help out this country.

    I am objecting to it "a lot" in this conversation because you want to discuss it. I have simply stated all along that I do think there are more important things that people (and especially politicians) should be concerned with.
    I should have said "conservatives" instead of "you". Mea Culpa.

    And again, all those things you listed are far more complicated and involved than marriage. That's sort of the whole concept of low hanging fruit and why you go after it early. You can take care of it easily and quickly and then look towards getting the remaining and larger portion of the tree (if we're talking about economics then of course you're correct that gay marriage will not have as large of an economic effect as some of the things you mentioned.)

    You're turning it into a false dichotomy of "we can do gay marriage or we can do these things...". You could do both or any combination of them. You haven't actually presented any arguments against gay marriage. You're just saying "well this bigger fish is over here". Which may be true, but we have this smaller fish already in a cooler, we might as well pick it up.
  • queencitybuckeye
    OSH;1486261 wrote:
    I have simply stated all along that I do think there are more important things that people (and especially politicians) should be concerned with.
    One could make an argument that equal rights issues should have priority over economic ones.
  • Pick6
    didnt realize iwp is gay
  • I Wear Pants
    Pick6;1486270 wrote:didnt realize iwp is gay
    It's not really relevant to anything but talking about things like gay marriage so I don't see the need to bring it up. It's not who I am, it's just a description of the type of people I like to be in a relationship with.