Will Zimmerman get a fair trial in the Travon Martin case?

• Mulva

  

  Fab1b;1472285 wrote:No no no. Don't fall into this trap. It is not stand your ground nor self defense when you leave and return armed and fire shots in the presence of children. Also she was the one that kept letting him back in and she was the one that had the lawful orders against her not him. Do your freaking homework!

  My point wasn't innocence or guilt. It was plea deal sentence vs. trial sentence. The actions/crime were the same either way. That isn't justice.
  
  Relating back to this case... I think the jury got the verdict right. But too often in similar cases people are strong-armed into accepting the 3 year plea deal so that they don't have to face the risk of 20 years in prison. "Stack charges to get a guilty plea so it doesn't have to be proven in court" is the prevailing strategy, and I think it's disgusting.
  
  It was more of a personal tangent than anything relevant to this case.
• Hb31187

  

  If GZ, woulda known that about TM I'd understand more. But he basically was just profiling(no I don't mean racial) and confrontational. I wish there had been a witness to this entire thing, I'm curious as to how it all actually went down
• Fab1b

  

  Mulva;1472292 wrote:My point wasn't innocence or guilt. It was plea deal sentence vs. trial sentence. The actions/crime were the same either way. That isn't justice.
  
  Relating back to this case... I think the jury got the verdict right. But too often in similar cases people are strong-armed into accepting the 3 year plea deal so that they don't have to face the risk of 20 years in prison. "Stack charges to get a guilty plea so it doesn't have to be proven in court" is the prevailing strategy, and I think it's disgusting.
  
  It was more of a personal tangent than anything relevant to this case.

  
  Sorry misinterpreted your point, my bad. However I did want to point out the truth in that one as well before someone used it without knowing the facts.
• Midstate01

  

  I agree that GZ should have just left it alone, ,especailly after being told too. But he didn't break any laws approaching him.
• TedSheckler

  

  Hb31187;1472277 wrote:don't profile and masquerade as a cop and you don't get "jumped"

  Just keep walking to your father's apartment and don't double back to put a beat down on GZ.
• TedSheckler

  

  Midstate01;1472295 wrote:I agree that GZ should have just left it alone, ,especailly after being told too. But he didn't break any laws approaching him.

  He wasn't told to leave it alone.
• Fab1b

  

  TedSheckler;1472299 wrote:He wasn't told to leave it alone.

  
  Even if he was, the 911 operator is not a police officer and therefor it is not a lawful order and does not have to be regarded! People need to stop with that and learn the damn facts! That wasn't directed at you Ted!
• Midstate01

  

  Fab1b;1472301 wrote:Even if he was, the 911 operator is not a police officer and therefor it is not a lawful order and does not have to be regarded! People need to stop with that and learn the damn facts! That wasn't directed at you Ted!

  
  This is what I was getting at.
• Hb31187

  

  TedSheckler;1472298 wrote:Just keep walking to your father's apartment and don't double back to put a beat down on GZ.

  GZ initiated their encounter otherwise the two woulda went their.separate ways.....
• O-Trap

  

  Hb31187;1472316 wrote:GZ initiated their encounter otherwise the two woulda went their.separate ways.....

  Sure, but the initial interaction was neither illegal nor violent in any way. If I was to call a man an asshat and he was to beat the ever-loving shit out of me, does that vindicate the other guy because I started it by calling him a name? Of course not.
  
  Zimmerman may have initiated contact, but Martin (by the accounts in court) was the one whose actions were to give justification for the claim of self-defense.
  
  Ultimately, this whole trial would have been bad, no matter what the verdict.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  Hb31187;1472316 wrote:GZ initiated their encounter otherwise the two woulda went their.separate ways.....

  Would have, not woulda, and it isn't illegal to talk to someone on a public street or other public area, or else I would have been arrested about a dozen times last night on a public transit vehicle.
• Hb31187

  

  O-Trap;1472319 wrote:Sure, but the initial interaction was neither illegal nor violent in any way. If I was to call a man an asshat and he was to beat the ever-loving **** out of me, does that vindicate the other guy because I started it by calling him a name? Of course not.
  
  Zimmerman may have initiated contact, but Martin (by the accounts in court) was the one whose actions were to give justification for the claim of self-defense.
  
  Ultimately, this whole trial would have been bad, no matter what the verdict.

  
  And I didn't say what GZ did was illegal, just was pointing out that TM wasn't the one who sought.out GZ it.was the other way around
• Hb31187

  

  Manhattan Buckeye;1472320 wrote:Would have, not woulda, and it isn't illegal to talk to someone on a public street or other public area, or else I would have been arrested about a dozen times last night on a public transit vehicle.

  lol are you seriously grammar Nazi'ing? its a message board Lmao.
  
  And I never said it was illegal. For being a grammar Nazi your reading comprehension is lacking.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  I do when someone is parroting an old and worn out argument. Are you seriously bringing up this up again for the zillionth time? It is a complete red herring.
• Hb31187

  

  Manhattan Buckeye;1472325 wrote:I do when someone is parroting an old and worn out argument. Are you seriously bringing up this up again for the zillionth time? It is a complete red herring.

  
  Panties must be in a serious bunch. I wasn't defending TM simply stated there would have been no contact between the two and Gz wouldn't of.feared for his life had he just listened to the dispatcher and left the kid alone, or.just left him to be and not.called 911 in the first place.
• Crimson streak

  

  I just love how everyone was trying to act like TM was some sweet little kid and did no wrong. The dude was a thug.
• TedSheckler

  

  Crimson streak;1472333 wrote:I just love how everyone was trying to act like TM was some sweet little kid and did no wrong.

  6 white women didn't buy it.
• Crimson streak

  

  TedSheckler;1472335 wrote:6 white women didn't buy it.

  
  And that's all that matters. I'm glad Zimmerman got off. Based on the evidence no way in hell you could convict him.
• O-Trap

  

  Hb31187;1472321 wrote:And I didn't say what GZ did was illegal, just was pointing out that TM wasn't the one who sought.out GZ it.was the other way around

  I recognize that, and I agree with you. That doesn't matter, from a legal standpoint, though.
  
  At work the other day, there were two guys (to call them "gentlemen" would be an overstatement) who began razzing each other. One of them began to take offense, and the exchange became a verbal altercation.
  
  Later, upon speaking about it, he made the statement that if the other guys "dogged" him again, he would take matters into his own hands. Now, to me, that's a threat, and it's illegal to do what he was implying he'd do.
  
  Suppose it happened, and the man he was assailing killed him. It wouldn't matter if the one who did the killing started it, because that wasn't cause for defending oneself.
  
  Maybe Zimmerman did start it. Ultimately, though, it's irrelevant to the case at hand.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  Hb31187;1472327 wrote:Panties must be in a serious bunch. I wasn't defending TM simply stated there would have been no contact between the two and Gz wouldn't of.feared for his life had he just listened to the dispatcher and left the kid alone, or.just left him to be and not.called 911 in the first place.

  The same parroting comment. How many times are you going to bring this up? It is old, stupid and completely irrelevant.
• Midstate01

  

  There is a case very similar to this happening right now in Hawaii. Involving a federal officer who killed a man in a McDonald's after he tried to break up an altercation and apparently the man reached for his gun so he fired on him.
  
  Been kinda hard to get good factual news on it though because the person killed was a local,thus the man who killed him is obviously guilty.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  BTW, Zimmerman's attorney is very, very good. Made a statement with dignity and also a bit of an edge.
• Tiernan

  A travesty of justice...Crackers will be waving the rebel flag and shouting YEHaaW all across the South today.
• gut

  Manhattan Buckeye;1472344 wrote:BTW, Zimmerman's attorney is very, very good. Made a statement with dignity and also a bit of an edge.

  Yeah, I loved how he called out the media. Unfortunately the media is shameless.
• Tiernan

  Scoreboard sez...
  
  Black people / OJ Verdict - 1
  Sorta White people / Zimmy Verdict - 1